i got ****ed after pct PLEASE help!!

[a900518]

hi i'm new here
firstly, sorry for my language I'm not english.
as i said I have problems after pct that
extremely fatigue, no appetite, no motivation, symptoms like low testosterone. and i dont get any form of muscle pump or burn whatever i try high rep&low rep work out.
also i have ED i dont get morning wood for a year. my sex drive is DEAD as well as libido even my blood work looks fine.
so i tried everything!
I did pct again with hcg , nolva , clomid and i tried trt didnt really solve them.
i have these problems for a year now
in my contry endos dont really know about aas and treatment of asih.
anyone got these problems as me ?
someone please help me.

 

[justhere4comm]

TRT would shut you down my man. HCG I just prior to PCT.

Describe your cycle then PCT.

 

[a900518]

my last cycle was
winny 50mg ed for 5weeks
tren A 300mg every week w 1-14
test p 300mg w 1- 14
mast 300mg w 1-14

pct was hcg total 15000iu with nolva and clomid
2500iu shot for e3d
nolva 40mg clomid 100mg for 2weeks
then nolva 20mg clomid 50mg for 2weeks

and i started cycle straight after pct
i know it was dumb **** i wouldnt do this
test e 300mg ew for 6weeks
eq 400mg ew for 6weeks
with dbol 30mg-40mg ed for 3weeks
and i did pct hcg total 10000iu with clomid nolva
i thought i got shutdown hard
so i tried hcg 2500iu e3d
nolva 40mg ed clomid 150mg ed for 2weeks ( it was too much i think) and then nolva 20 ed clomid 50mg ed for 2weeks
and i felt **** during 2ed week of pct.
no pump , extremely fatigue, no erection feel **** all day.
i got blood work done and test was fine not bad
i waited 3months and still didnt recover.
so i tried pct again which is power pct that dr Michael scally recommended.
2500iu hcg eod for 10shots
nolva 40mg clomid 100mg for 2weeks then
nolva 20mg clomid 50mg for 2weeks
but nothing happened still no pump, ed, no mood. so i tried trt but not really helped.
am i really ****ed up?
i dont know what the **** is wrong with me
i can show u my current bloodwork if u want to

 

[justhere4comm]

You used HCG during PCT?
Post bloods.

HCG then PCT if you didn't.

 

[a900518]

yes i did

 

[justhere4comm]

Then you shouldn't have. It's suppressive. Just gets the boys working again then you do PCT.

50/50/25/25
Clomid

Etc.

 

[Woody]

What's your prolactin at? Did you run Caber/Prami with your Tren?

 

[a900518]

i dont understand why i still have these symptoms even bloodwork says nothing wrong.
hpta is not shutdown i have normal lh , fsh and total t for sure as well as e2. also cortisol is fine but i have testicular atrophy.
i hope you know why i cant get a muscle pump and ED.

 

[a900518]

prolactin was good.
it was in range low normal.

 

[justhere4comm]

Cialis?

 

[justhere4comm]

Bp. Hematocrit. Etc.

 

[a900518]

when i was on trt blood work
hb 16.5 g/dl 13.5-17.5
hct 50.5 % 41-53
RBC Count 5.59 3.83-5.65
MCV 90.3 fL 80-100
MCH 29.5 pg 26-34
MCHC 32.7 g/dl 31-37
WBC count 5.5 4.5-11
PLT count 171 150-440
RDW 14.4 11-15.7
PDW 17.2 15.6-17.3
Protein 6.5g/dl 6-8
albumin 4.1g/dl 3.3-5.1
cholesterol 174mg/dl 124-218
AST (SGOT) 21 IU/L 10-44
ALT (SGPT) 23 IU/L 10-44
ALP 45 IU/L 40-129
Bilirubin.total 0.58mg/dl 0.2-1.2
BUN 7.2 mg/dl 7-20
Creatinine 1.02 mg/dl 0.6-1.3
Ca.total 9.1 8.4-10.2
glucose 97 74-106
Na 140 135-145
K 4.1 3.5-5.5
Cl 104 98-110
LH 2.04 1.7-8.6
FSH 0.92 1.5-12.4
total testosterone 15.84 2.67-10.12
free t 34.5 8.9-42.5
tsh 2.86 0.17-4.05
free t4 1.75 0.89-1.78
HGH 0.20ng/ml
IGF-1 (somatomadin-C) 270ng/ml 232-385
DHEA-s 184.4 80.5-479.4

whats wrong ?
even i was on trt i cannot get a muscle pump , no sex drvie, no libido and ****ing ED!!

 

[a900518]

Blood pressure was alright.
seems ok

 

[a900518]

also im taking cialis 5mg every day

 

[Woody]

What's your prolactin and estrogen at? SHBG?

 

[Woody]

also im taking cialis 5mg every day

And thats not helping?

 

[a900518]

on trt didnt treat any of symptoms what i have

 

[Woody]

on trt didnt treat any of symptoms what i have

if your issue is high estrogen or prolactin then TRT wouldn't really help.

Have you taken an AI or Caber? You said prolactin was in range? Is it the same as prior blood work. It could still be high for you

 

[a900518]

i didnt check SHBG
before trt
my t was 6.07 2.49-8.36
e2 was 28.32 11-44
it was a month after power pct
as u see my hpta wasnt shutdown at all

 

[a900518]

at that time my prolactin was 6.31 range 4-15
i dont think its prolactin issue and estro

 

[a900518]

i need u guys helps.
anyone really know about it?
anyone experienced these issues? like no pump , fatigue, no motivation, no sex drive, no libido etc.
PLEASE HELP!!

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

I think your PCTs are too short.. you should take 50mgs of clomid eod for 3-6 months. also you can try adding some trib to your daily supplement protocol. its good for boosting libido acutely and the clomid should work nicely over time.
as for pump and energy... sounds like you have been pushing too hard for awhile now.. slow down a bit. eat lots of agmatine and citruline along with reducing your work out times to 45 mins 3-4 times per week. concentrate on getting a lot of rest for the next few weeks..

its no wonder your in a funk.. 150 mgs of clomid was trying to turn you into a girl. that's way too much imo

 

[a900518]

after power pct that dr.micheal scally recommended blood work looked fine.
normal high t normal e2. did i need more clomid even i have normal levels of hormone?

i think so 150mgs clomid was too much
but im curious that really 150mg clomid ****ed me up hard about nearly a year.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

clomid will raise LH levels, and that seems to be key to keeping libido high.
blood work might be ok concerning T and e2 but what about the rest of the things? any thing still out of skew?

 

[a900518]

no really.
maybe i missed something?
i am not sure whats wrong
i even got tested brain mri for HPA , echocardiography for heart function and electromyography for muscle and nervous function. doc said no problems at all.
what should i do now?
damn tired all day i am being like old man like 80s.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

what should i do now?
damn tired all day i am being like old man like 80s.

you should take 50mgs of clomid eod for 3-6 months. also you can try adding some trib to your daily supplement protocol. its good for boosting libido acutely and the clomid should work nicely over time.
as for pump and energy... sounds like you have been pushing too hard for awhile now.. slow down a bit. eat lots of agmatine and citruline along with reducing your work out times to 45 mins 3-4 times per week. concentrate on getting a lot of rest for the next few weeks..

 

[a900518]

dosse clomid any damage ?

 

[ericos_bob]

I wouldn't run clomid if your test levels are in a healthy range. SERMs can go both ways. For some they have a negative impact on libido. I for one experience lowered sex drive on Nolvadex... Have you tried seeing a different Endocrinologist? Not all are created equal and although there are some very knowledgeable members here I think it's important to find a professional who will work through these issues with you.

 

[a900518]

in my country endos do not really know about aas and treatment of hypogonadism by aas. ive been 3 different endos they didnt really know about it.

 

[a900518]

isnt it really testosterone issue?
i do not know why even trt did not really solve these symptoms.

 

[a900518]

one of an endo said desensitistion of androgen receptors cause these symptoms. is receptors shutdown really happened? i read somewhere that is myth.

 

[a900518]

can any knowledgable members help me plz!!??

 

[Killcure666]

Your endo could be right about your androgen receptors. I'm not familiar with the concept of receptor "shutdown" but I do know that the body will down regulate androgen receptors when it senses high levels of exogenous hormones. The body not only suppresses natural hormone production but also down regulates the androgen receptors responsible for the hormone effects.

If your testosterone levels are normal but you are still experiencing symptoms of low T such as crashed libido it could be due to your lack of receptors. Even if your testosterone is high if it has nothing to bind to it's not going to exert its effects.

My approach if I were in your situation would be to attempt to increase androgen receptor density which I believe certain supplements claim to do this such at carnatine, tribulus, forskolin and caffeine

 

[a900518]

anyone help??

 

[a900518]

thx for reply
what about muscle function like pumping?
l lost feeling of muscle pump snd burn.
muscles are all flat as **** i cant even contract them no fullness.

 

[justhere4comm]

Long term repair slowly and offset with libido boosters as mentioned. You could be so much in your head your doing it partly to yourself.

 

[a900518]

so it will recover slowly itself?

 

[a900518]

i tried maca few months but it didnt really help

 

[Evra]

honestly if u want some pumps you could probably go with igf-1 lr3 at 75mcg before your workout. i do this and i get insane pumps (helps a lot mentally). i think u might be having a lil bit of a mental break down and are worrying way too much. whats your diet like? any cardio?

 

[a900518]

thx for reply
seriously its not mental problem.
im feeling extremely fatigue even sleep 10hours a day. im always training with good form same as before and im eating enough carb. i cant feel what i used to (no burn, no pump, weak muscle).
also my testis are still atrophied for a year.
no improve any size( left 2cc , right 5cc)
hcg didnt make them bigger.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

thx for reply
seriously its not mental problem.
im feeling extremely fatigue even sleep 10hours a day. im always training with good form same as before and im eating enough carb. i cant feel what i used to (no burn, no pump, weak muscle).
also my testis are still atrophied for a year.
no improve any size( left 2cc , right 5cc)
hcg didnt make them bigger.

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dude.... 25-50 mgs clomid ed or eod... for several months. low dose long term works great for your problem~

 

[Evra]

Well, is it possible your hcg is bunk stuff??. U can try triptorelin, it's a peptide. You can do a simple Google Search on what it does. DAA will also increase size of testicles. 5 days on 2 days off of daa (worth a shot). Also start taking some taurine at 2000mg a day. Hope this helps.

 

[a900518]

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dude.... 25-50 mgs clomid ed or eod... for several months. low dose long term works great for your problem~

i wonder that too much clomid and nolva like what i did 150mgs of clomid and 40mg of nolva can damage to testis or hpta?
what happen if i do overdose pct when i have normal function of hpta?

what is low dose long term clomid for?
increasing t or testicular function?

 

[a900518]

im sure that hcg was not bunk.
i got them from my doc.

 

[justhere4comm]

Something is wrong with your bloods then. They are better than mine and my Libido is more than ok.

You smashed your receptors with far too much SERM. Why would you dose so much? Who told you to do that?

50/50/25/25
Is standard for heavy compounds with Clomid.
Nolva
20/20/10/10

Even if you extended Clomid EOD weeks 5/6 20mg
Now I'm not even certain that time alone would not just help. Maybe I would consider EOD 25 mg Clomid alone.

Oh and Cialis. Get you back in the saddle. Maca and other nattys work for me.
I know you don't want to hear this, but along with the reasoning behind the Placebo Effect is a psychological component which is incredibly powerful! That said, take some Cialis. Even if it wasn't needed, you need it my man.

M-Test is a well rounded product. I'm looking at it.

Someone else chime in.
Good luck, I look forward to seeing you fully recovered!

 

[a900518]

my friend told me to do that
anyway do receptors recover possible?

 

[justhere4comm]

my friend told me to do that
anyway do receptors recover possible?

No disrespect, or insult intended but I want to know what that friend is saying now?
I think your receptors will recover over time, you are just over-loaded and they are probably trying. Not a good idea to just stop the SERM, which is why maybe taper and it's possible you started your PCT too soon.


On the other hand:
I'd be inclined to see bloods before resuming any SERM and double check you're clear of any exogenous anything. Then plan your reocovery.

 

[Woody]

I would not be surprised if there is a psychological component. Take some cialis. Bang some chicks. Get your head back in the game.

 

[a900518]

then is testicular atrophy permanent??