Walkers Natty Cycle

[coltonwalker]

Ok, so this will be my third real cycle where I follow a plan. First cycle was 100mg halodrol, and was awesome. Second was tren, epi, and msten which also went great. I wanted to take a break from the synthetics and start a natty cycle. I started about a week ago with 100mg laxosterone, 200mg epicatechin, Ana Beta Elite (ABE new formula) and ARA acid. So far I love the strength gains and I am eating a ton. It will be an 8 week cycle. My next question is about MK-677. Would adding this for the last 7 weeks be worth it, a waste, or too many supplements for this cycle. Also, I am not completely up to date with MK-677 and its effects on test if any. Ive done my research and have seen so many mixed reviews about needing a light PCT after MK. Suggestions about any of this? Thanks in advance guys.

 

[coltonwalker]

bighulksmash FireTitan Dma378

 

[bighulksmash]

bighulksmash FireTitan Dma378

Well well well !!!!! Good fukkin job ! CW is now on a roll !!!! Slam some fakkin iron bro!!!

 

[bighulksmash]

Serm always bro ... I've been booed off stage countless times for saying osta is not suppressive, turns out i was wrong .

 

[coltonwalker]

Serm always bro ... I've been booed off stage countless times for saying osta is not suppressive, turns out i was wrong .

Sooo 2 or 3 week mini pct? Can it cause prolactin proglems as well. Might just wait this one out and run rad 140 and mk as a seperate cycle

 

[Woody]

MK-677 or Ostarine? The former is a GH secratague and not suppressive where as the later is suppressive.

 

[coltonwalker]

MK-677 or Ostarine? The former is a GH secratague and not suppressive where as the later is suppressive.

Mk677. Not osterine.

Pituitary desensitization??? For GH

 

[coltonwalker]

Sorry Woody for not tagging. Been gone from the forum too long..

 

[Jebrook]

Sooo 2 or 3 week mini pct? Can it cause prolactin proglems as well. Might just wait this one out and run rad 140 and mk as a seperate cycle

No PCT needed for MK-677. MK-2866(Osta) absolutely needs one. Maybe that's where the confusion is coming from. 7 weeks at what dose? Can you get more? Minimum 3 months is optimal IMO.

 

[coltonwalker]

No PCT needed for MK-677. MK-2866(Osta) absolutely needs one. Maybe that's where the confusion is coming from. 7 weeks at what dose? Can you get more? Minimum 3 months is optimal IMO.

I can run 12 weeks @30mg for decent price. It is capable though, not liquid.
LGD needs a pct too, correct?

 

[coltonwalker]

Thanks for the replies guys

 

[Jebrook]

I can run 12 weeks @30mg for decent price. It is capable though, not liquid.

Stretch it out for as long as possible. I ran Gharine for 6 months. Started at 10 mg daily went all the way up to 30 mg but tapered back to 20 mg. That was the sweet spot for me. I'd do 10 mg for 4-8 weeks till the results wane then taper up.

 

[bighulksmash]

Sooo 2 or 3 week mini pct? Can it cause prolactin proglems as well. Might just wait this one out and run rad 140 and mk as a seperate cycle

I never really got into SARMs .... theres alot of guys on here like Jebrook my fav uk hussla . Many more to add...

 

[coltonwalker]

Brook has always been one to help. You're all great. Same names pop up all the time. Thathe says something haha. I'll research some more doods

 

[ChocolateClen]

Can't you run mk though PCT and to infinity and beyond? Front what I've read you don't need a PCT for mk.

 

[bighulksmash]

Can't you run mk though PCT and to infinity and beyond? Front what I've read you don't need a PCT for mk.

No and wrong.

 

[bighulksmash]

I wasted a whole 3 weeks of nova on this lol

 

[ChocolateClen]

No and wrong.

I stand corrected! Where can I read up on this stuff? Any new studies out?

 

[bighulksmash]

I stand corrected! Where can I read up on this stuff? Any new studies out?

Muddy phucka archives.

 

[bighulksmash]

I stand corrected! Where can I read up on this stuff? Any new studies out?

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/270011-sarms-mk-gw.html
coltonwalker ChocolateClen

 

[ChocolateClen]

Muddy phucka archives.

I could have sworn mk you could have just come off and ran for as long as you wanted like 6+ months

Edit:I guess I need to get my **** together!

 

[bighulksmash]

I could have sworn mk you could have just come off and ran for as long as you wanted like 6+ months

I did it and failed a restart a few times . Im no guru on sarms but from my personal experience with this it plucked me up

 

[ChocolateClen]

I did it and failed a restart a few times . Im no guru on sarms but from my personal experience with this it plucked me up

Weird! I gave mk677 a look under the link you posted and it states this under it:
"MK 677 is non-hormonal, and therefore requires no PCT after cycle is over."

Some funky **** then mate I'm gonna look deeper into this

 

[bighulksmash]

Weird! I gave mk677 a look under the link you posted and it states this under it:
"MK 677 is non-hormonal, and therefore requires no PCT after cycle is over."

Some funky **** then mate I'm gonna look deeper into this

I never ran mk solo , usually with 3 other compounds.

 

[ChocolateClen]

I never ran mk solo , usually with 3 other compounds.

Okay well then yeah you'd need a PCT for the other compounds, but I've been thinking all along you could run MK through PCT and as a bridge to another cycle because you could just stop it any time. It didn't need its own PCT I though so I figured it would make a decent bridge

 

[coltonwalker]

Mk677 alone doesn't require pct. Mk2866 does. I believe cardarine does NOT either considering it isn't hormonal. Mk677 technically isn't a sarm either. By my understanding. But for a cycle of say, mk2866 s4 and cardarine, you'd need a pct because of the s4 and 2866.

 

[ChocolateClen]

Mk677 alone doesn't require pct. Mk2866 does. I believe cardarine does NOT either considering it isn't hormonal. Mk677 technically isn't a sarm either. By my understanding. But for a cycle of say, mk2866 s4 and cardarine, you'd need a pct because of the s4 and 2866.

That is correct both are suppressive. Watch he S4, yellowing vision is the reason I stayed away from it. Didn't want to mess around with that at all

 

[coltonwalker]

That is correct both are suppressive. Watch he S4, yellowing vision is the reason I stayed away from it. Didn't want to mess around with that at all

Yeah I'm staying away from s4. I'm thinking mk677, rad 140 and gw. Future cycle.

 

[123abcabcabc]

Serm always bro ... I've been booed off stage countless times for saying osta is not suppressive, turns out i was wrong .

BOOOOO

 

[bighulksmash]

BOOOOO

Where have u been !? Glad ur back !!!

 

[coltonwalker]

One thing I'm worried about is mk677 and it's prolactin problems. How bad with mk677? I think I'll run it 90 days alone to see sides

 

[booneman77]

Dear god there is too much awful awful advice and wrong statements in here to count...
coltonwalker here's the deal:

MK677 is a gh secretagauge and does NOT require and pct. The LONGER you can run it the BETTER. you wont even see much running for less 2months. Start at 10mg and wokr your way up to 20-30, bumping dose about each month. If you get severe bloat or lethargy, lower it back down.

Epicat should be run much higher than 200mg/day. if it has no absorption enhancement, try 600. if it does, maybe 3-400 could work.

Not sure what you're running your ara at, but 1000-1500mg on workout days only is ideal.

dose the ara and abe together, pre workout, preferably fasted. they're synergistic.

try to keep the epi dose away from the ara as it has some anti-inflammatory properties taht somewhat inhibit the effects of ara. Same goes for fish oil (if you're taking any)

 

[coltonwalker]

Dear god there is too much awful awful advice and wrong statements in here to count...
coltonwalker here's the deal:

MK677 is a gh secretagauge and does NOT require and pct. The LONGER you can run it the BETTER. you wont even see much running for less 2months. Start at 10mg and wokr your way up to 20-30, bumping dose about each month. If you get severe bloat or lethargy, lower it back down.

Epicat should be run much higher than 200mg/day. if it has no absorption enhancement, try 600. if it does, maybe 3-400 could work.

Not sure what you're running your ara at, but 1000-1500mg on workout days only is ideal.

dose the ara and abe together, pre workout, preferably fasted. they're synergistic.

try to keep the epi dose away from the ara as it has some anti-inflammatory properties taht somewhat inhibit the effects of ara. Same goes for fish oil (if you're taking any)

Didn't know about the epicat dose, but everything else you said I have spot on. Abe dose in morning and pre workout, with 1400mg Ara with it (Ara only on my 6 workout days) Epi and laxo ( both in 1 pill from divided labs. Its good stuff) are morning and night doses 12 hr split. Not sure about 677 yet... still deciding. Any info in prolactin and 677 boon?

 

[ChocolateClen]

Didn't know about the epicat dose, but everything else you said I have spot on. Abe dose in morning and pre workout, with 1400mg Ara with it (Ara only on my 6 workout days) Epi and laxo ( both in 1 pill from divided labs. Its good stuff) are morning and night doses 12 hr split. Not sure about 677 yet... still deciding. Any info in prolactin and 677 boon?

Don't believe mk677 causes any estrogenic sides at all since it just causes your body to release more GH

 

[ChocolateClen]

Didn't know about the epicat dose, but everything else you said I have spot on. Abe dose in morning and pre workout, with 1400mg Ara with it (Ara only on my 6 workout days) Epi and laxo ( both in 1 pill from divided labs. Its good stuff) are morning and night doses 12 hr split. Not sure about 677 yet... still deciding. Any info in prolactin and 677 boon?

Don't believe mk677 causes any estrogenic sides at all since it just causes your body to release more GH

 

[booneman77]

Didn't know about the epicat dose, but everything else you said I have spot on. Abe dose in morning and pre workout, with 1400mg Ara with it (Ara only on my 6 workout days) Epi and laxo ( both in 1 pill from divided labs. Its good stuff) are morning and night doses 12 hr split. Not sure about 677 yet... still deciding. Any info in prolactin and 677 boon?

Never heard of prolactin issues with mk... where'd you see this? I don't actually think it's even possible since mk has no impact on anything that would raise prolactin.

 

[bighulksmash]

I thought mk 677 was osta lol see why I don't mess with sarms ;P booneman77 to save the day!!!!

 

[ChocolateClen]

I thought mk 677 was osta lol see why I don't mess with sarms ;P booneman77 to save the day!!!!

Yeah I was wondering if you got the two confused haha

 

[booneman77]

I thought mk 677 was osta lol see why I don't mess with sarms ;P booneman77 to save the day!!!!

osta is mk-2866 easy to confuse

 

[Studhorse]

Dear god there is too much awful awful advice and wrong statements in here to count...
coltonwalker here's the deal:

MK677 is a gh secretagauge and does NOT require and pct. The LONGER you can run it the BETTER. you wont even see much running for less 2months. Start at 10mg and wokr your way up to 20-30, bumping dose about each month. If you get severe bloat or lethargy, lower it back down.

Epicat should be run much higher than 200mg/day. if it has no absorption enhancement, try 600. if it does, maybe 3-400 could work.

Not sure what you're running your ara at, but 1000-1500mg on workout days only is ideal.

dose the ara and abe together, pre workout, preferably fasted. they're synergistic.

try to keep the epi dose away from the ara as it has some anti-inflammatory properties taht somewhat inhibit the effects of ara. Same goes for fish oil (if you're taking any)

Well done!

 

[coltonwalker]

During the first week of treatment, MK-677 causes a slight elevation in both cortisol and prolactin (still within the normal range), but after one week of use, levels revert back to baseline. In terms of unwanted hormonal manipulation, this makes MK-677 a cleaner GH releasing agent than other GH peptides, Ipamorelin aside."

From iron mag research article on mk677. All I see is it raises slightly within the first week and levels out after. Inhibit p for first 2 weeks to be safe??

 

[ChocolateClen]

You could run it for 2 weeks yeah but I don't believe there's a huge need too

 

[coltonwalker]

You all convinced me.. starting mk677 next monday

 

[booneman77]

During the first week of treatment, MK-677 causes a slight elevation in both cortisol and prolactin (still within the normal range), but after one week of use, levels revert back to baseline. In terms of unwanted hormonal manipulation, this makes MK-677 a cleaner GH releasing agent than other GH peptides, Ipamorelin aside."

From iron mag research article on mk677. All I see is it raises slightly within the first week and levels out after. Inhibit p for first 2 weeks to be safe??

Ya inhibit will be more than enough. Honestly I personally didn't even bother because it normalizes so fast (and I've had prolactin issues in other cycles in the past). No harm in adding a little inhibit tho especially for only a short term.

 

[coltonwalker]

Ya inhibit will be more than enough. Honestly I personally didn't even bother because it normalizes so fast (and I've had prolactin issues in other cycles in the past). No harm in adding a little inhibit tho especially for only a short term.

P5p since it's cheaper? Lol

 

[bighulksmash]

this guy has helped me so many times !!!! good man , repped for sheer awesomeness !!!!!

Ya inhibit will be more than enough. Honestly I personally didn't even bother because it normalizes so fast (and I've had prolactin issues in other cycles in the past). No harm in adding a little inhibit tho especially for only a short term.

 

[booneman77]

P5p since it's cheaper? Lol

As a rep, I say no, use the inhibit p

But realistically, you can prob even use just a solid l dopa or p5p supp.

But go buy inhibit p anyways

 

[coltonwalker]

Just got my P5P in the mail... sorry booneman77 lol. the wallet is screaming constantly. I will say, this cycle is feeling good. I'm constantly ready to train, and have good pumps. Once again, i'm using ABE, divergeMAX (100mg laxo 200mg Epicat with delivery) and ARA. Love the pumps from the ARA for sure.. almost painful. Every set puts more and more blood into my muscle, especially on legs and shoulder days. I got 2 bottles of ABE and dMAX hoping to run 8 weeks, and starting week 4 I will start 10mg mk677 (week 1 of mk), week 8 20mg and week 12 30mg. Also thinking about inhibit-e for the hell of it. Any suggestions there??

 

[booneman77]

Layout looks good. Inhibit e might help a bit with the bloat that can come with the mk. My ont directly raise estro but the inhibit will lower youregular levels a bit which may balance it all out.

For me 10mg was nice, but at 20 I could barely get out of bed in the morning (just sleeping SO hard) and I was bloated as all hell. Mk just wasn't for me

Just watch for low e signs and don't be afraid to lower the dose of inhibit.

 

[coltonwalker]

Awesome. Thanks boon!