Need Help based on other guys experience 1 andro & osta or just LGD

[Cs1992]

Hey so my stats are

Male
24
154lbs
8% bodyfat
Training for 2 years
Started at 142lbs 14% body fat lol what a bitch I was!

So for my next cycle I'm torn as ostarine was very good to me last time. But I want something stronger, it was my first cycle too.

So please say which option you would pick for 8 week cycle and why or would you change some thing!

Pct will be clomid and some natty anabolics for either stack

So either

1 andro
300/300/300/400/400/400/400/400
Ostarine
20/20/20/30/30/30/30/30
Fish oil
Multi
Cycle support
Sup3r Dhea 4 pumps ED



Or
LGD
4/8/8/12/12/12/8/4
Fish oil
Multi
Cycle support
Sup3r DHEA 4 pumps ED

I really want to do the 1 andro cycle I'm just not up for Destroying my FSH & LH hormone levels so any experience with it would be greatly appreciated obviously I have researched and still am researching these products but I like to actually chat to people about it

Thanks!

 

[InItForGainz]

Hey so my stats are

Male
24
154lbs
8% bodyfat
Training for 2 years
Started at 142lbs 14% body fat lol what a bitch I was!

So for my next cycle I'm torn as ostarine was very good to me last time. But I want something stronger, it was my first cycle too.

So please say which option you would pick for 8 week cycle and why or would you change some thing!

Pct will be clomid and some natty anabolics for either stack

So either

1 andro
300/300/300/400/400/400/400/400
Ostarine
20/20/20/30/30/30/30/30
Fish oil
Multi
Cycle support
Sup3r Dhea 4 pumps ED



Or
LGD
4/8/8/12/12/12/8/4
Fish oil
Multi
Cycle support
Sup3r DHEA 4 pumps ED

I really want to do the 1 andro cycle I'm just not up for Destroying my FSH & LH hormone levels so any experience with it would be greatly appreciated obviously I have researched and still am researching these products but I like to actually chat to people about it

Thanks!

My Advice Would Be

LGD (OL's LeGenD)
4/4/4/8/8/8/8/8
Fish Oil
Multi
Joint Support
OL Ar1macare Pro And/Or CEL Cycle Assist
Sup3r-DHEA
Half Pump Am And Half Pump Pm (considering your body weight I wouldn't go up to 4 pumps per day. Maybe 1 full pump twice per day but work your way up from the two half pumps depending on sides and how you feel)

 

[gagandugan]

1-Andro solo or LGD. Similar gains. Personally, I'd use 1-Andro, since I had really good experience with it. Your Ostarine dose is too much, and you should really only use it on a cut anyway. Supports and PCT look good.

 

[Cs1992]

My Advice Would Be

LGD (OL's LeGenD)
4/4/4/8/8/8/8/8
Fish Oil
Multi
Joint Support
OL Ar1macare Pro And/Or CEL Cycle Assist
Sup3r-DHEA
Half Pump Am And Half Pump Pm (considering your body weight I wouldn't go up to 4 pumps per day. Maybe 1 full pump twice per day but work your way up from the two half pumps depending on sides and how you feel)

Okay thanks for your reply man, what's the reason you wouldn't go to 12mg of LGD? And did you get any blood work after? What's was your pct?

 

[Cs1992]

1-Andro solo or LGD. Similar gains. Personally, I'd use 1-Andro, since I had really good experience with it. Your Ostarine dose is too much, and you should really only use it on a cut anyway. Supports and PCT look good.

What did you gain on 1 andro ? And I'll have to disagree on the ostarine dose, I had limited side effects at 30mg for 8 weeks last time however the healing benefits are my favourite so a high dose at the same time as all this additional strength makes sense to me

 

[InItForGainz]

Okay thanks for your reply man, what's the reason you wouldn't go to 12mg of LGD? And did you get any blood work after? What's was your pct?

If it's your first time using LGD then you want to use as little as possible to get the desired effect. You don't want to become desensitized to compounds like LGD. If I ran LGD again I'd have to do
8/8/8/12/12/12/12/12 to gain another 10lbs (hopefully more) as the previous 4/4/4/8/8/8/8/8 probably wouldn't produce the same amount of gains.
My PCT was
Pharma Grade Clomid
50/25/25/25/12.5/12.5EOD
AlphaMax XT
4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4
Reduce XT
4/3/3/3
Ar1macare Pro
8/8/8/8/8/8/6/6
Cycle Assist
6/6/6/6/6/6/4/4

Bloods came back and everything was even better than before my cycle, except my Cholesterol, which is a bit higher but I was on 40P/25C/35F so that's to be expected.
Test went from 162 ng/dl pre cycle to 209 ng/dl post cycle

 

[Cs1992]

One more thing i would probably do 1 andro and 4 andro instead of the TD base

 

[InItForGainz]

One more thing i would probably do 1 andro and 4 andro instead of the TD base

Which base you choose will depend on your overall goal.
DHEA
Standard Base
Reduce Lethargy, keep libido, keep mood up.
Cons-No additional gains.
4-Andro
Wet Base
All of the benefits of DHEA, plus some extra gains.
Cons-converts to estrogen.
Epi-Andro
Dry Base
All the benefits of DHEA, plus some extra fat loss.
Cons-Dry Joints

 

[Cs1992]

Which base you choose will depend on your overall goal.
DHEA
Standard Base
Reduce Lethargy, keep libido, keep mood up.
Cons-No additional gains.
4-Andro
Wet Base
All of the benefits of DHEA, plus some extra gains.
Cons-converts to estrogen.
Epi-Andro
Dry Base
All the benefits of DHEA, plus some extra fat loss.
Cons-Dry Joints

Think I'd just go 4 andro for extra gains if I do 1 andro then!

 

[InItForGainz]

Think I'd just go 4 andro for extra gains if I do 1 andro then!

Going to need a Pharma Grade AI if you go with the 4-Andro.

 

[thorsdad31]

I never ran lgd but 1-andro was the ticket for me i used it as a recomp and it worked well, gonna run it soon as a bulk
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/278435-leaning-out-1-a.html?highlight=Thorsdad31 this is my log check it out

 

[Cs1992]

I never ran lgd but 1-andro was the ticket for me i used it as a recomp and it worked well, gonna run it soon as a bulk

Thanks I'll check that out!

 

[Cs1992]

Going to need a Pharma Grade AI if you go with the 4-Andro.

I was thinking exemastane?

 

[InItForGainz]

I was thinking exemastane?

Definitely Exemestane! Always got a bottle in my box just incase of emergencies

 

[gagandugan]

What did you gain on 1 andro ? And I'll have to disagree on the ostarine dose, I had limited side effects at 30mg for 8 weeks last time however the healing benefits are my favourite so a high dose at the same time as all this additional strength makes sense to me

3kg in 6 weeks, by eating only 200-300 above maintenance weeks 3-6. No fat gain whatsoever, just hard muscle. Strength increase.

Now, if you want just healing effects from Ostarine, 10mg/day is more than enough. Honestly, going higher than 20 doesn't do much anyway... but in any case, Osta won't do much for you here. Save it for a cut. LGD and 1-Andro are stronger. Also, stacking 1-Andro with Epiandro is really good.

 

[Cs1992]

Definitely Exemestane! Always got a bottle in my box just incase of emergencies

I think I'm gonna go the 1,4 andro route and do a really decent PCT! I've been off for half the time I was on, do you think it's okay to jump back on soon it was only ostarine and I don't plan on doing another cycle for months after like 6/9 months

 

[InItForGainz]

I think I'm gonna go the 1,4 andro route and do a really decent PCT! I've been off for half the time I was on, do you think it's okay to jump back on soon it was only ostarine and I don't plan on doing another cycle for months after like 6/9 months

Time Off=Cycle+PCT

 

[Cs1992]

Time Off=Cycle+PCT

Even for ostarine?

 

[Cs1992]

3kg in 6 weeks, by eating only 200-300 above maintenance weeks 3-6. No fat gain whatsoever, just hard muscle. Strength increase.

Now, if you want just healing effects from Ostarine, 10mg/day is more than enough. Honestly, going higher than 20 doesn't do much anyway... but in any case, Osta won't do much for you here. Save it for a cut. LGD and 1-Andro are stronger. Also, stacking 1-Andro with Epiandro is really good.

I did research on 1 andro and epiandro instead of 4 andro definitely looks better both dry compounds too I prefer them, will epi andro be ok with arimistane as an AI? Looking at 1,epi andro now with no ostarine

 

[InItForGainz]

I did research on 1 andro and epiandro instead of 4 andro definitely looks better both dry compounds too I prefer them, will epi andro be ok with arimistane as an AI? Looking at 1,epi andro now with no ostarine

I wouldn't recommend running Arimistane with Epi-Andro. That combo would almost certainly destroy your joints! That'll hinder your gains massively.
Epi-Andro is Anti-Estrogenic anyway. I'd still advise that you get Exemestane as your emergency AI but use it during PCT to reduce the chance of Estrogen Rebound Post Cycle, which is a real concern with dry/Epi-Andro Cycles

Epi-Andro + 1-Andro PCT

Clomid
50/25/25/25/12.5/12.5EOD
Or
Nolva
40/20/20/20/10/5
Exemestane
0/0/0/6.25/6.25/6.25/6.25
That should get you recovered and prevent estrogen rebound too.
Any Additional Natty Supps Will just aid and speed up recovery, maybe add some PCT gains too

 

[Cs1992]

I wouldn't recommend running Arimistane with Epi-Andro. That combo would almost certainly destroy your joints! That'll hinder your gains massively.
Epi-Andro is Anti-Estrogenic anyway. I'd still advise that you get Exemestane as your emergency AI but use it during PCT to reduce the chance of Estrogen Rebound Post Cycle, which is a real concern with dry/Epi-Andro Cycles

Epi-Andro + 1-Andro PCT

Clomid
50/25/25/25/12.5/12.5EOD
Or
Nolva
40/20/20/20/10/5
Exemestane
0/0/0/6.25/6.25/6.25/6.25
That should get you recovered and prevent estrogen rebound too.
Any Additional Natty Supps Will just aid and speed up recovery, maybe add some PCT gains too

Thanks man for all your help. This is what my final cycle looks like then-

Epi-Andro + 1-Andro PCT
Epi
500/500/750/750/750/750/750/750
1 Andro
220/220/330/330/330/330/330/330
Multi
Fish oil
Arim1care pro

Nolva
40/20/20/20/10/5
Exemestane
0/0/0/6.25/6.25/6.25/6.25
Natty anabolic - not sure yet

 

[InItForGainz]

Thanks man for all your help. This is what my final cycle looks like then-

Epi-Andro + 1-Andro PCT
Epi
500/500/750/750/750/750/750/750
1 Andro
220/220/330/330/330/330/330/330
Multi
Fish oil
Arim1care pro

Nolva
40/20/20/20/10/5
Exemestane
0/0/0/6.25/6.25/6.25/6.25
Natty anabolic - not sure yet

Looks Great man.
Be sure to Log yeah

 

[Cs1992]

Looks Great man.
Be sure to Log yeah

I will man I'll post here which a link when I start in about a month! Thanks again

 

[thorsdad31]

Thanks man for all your help. This is what my final cycle looks like then-

Epi-Andro + 1-Andro PCT
Epi
500/500/750/750/750/750/750/750
1 Andro
220/220/330/330/330/330/330/330
Multi
Fish oil
Arim1care pro

Nolva
40/20/20/20/10/5
Exemestane
0/0/0/6.25/6.25/6.25/6.25
Natty anabolic - not sure yet

Looks like a fun stack ive ran epiandro with good results aswell

 

[NewAgeMayan]

Even for ostarine?

Yes, absolutely IMO. You want to spend as much time as possible with normalised lipids.

 

[Cs1992]

Yes, absolutely IMO. You want to spend as much time as possible with normalised lipids.

Yeah I'm going to be waiting another 4 weeks then I'll run the stack above, but that's me done with compounds for a year I hope, I promised myself one bulk and one cut lol

 

[NewAgeMayan]

Yeah I'm going to be waiting another 4 weeks then I'll run the stack above, but that's me done with compounds for a year I hope, I promised myself one bulk and one cut lol

If you plan and run everything properly then 2 cycles per year max is a good compromise/balance IMO.

 

[Cs1992]

Log started

 

[enraged_chris]

I'd go with lgd anyday over ostarine, bulk or cut

 

[Cs1992]

://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/286463-chriss-epi-1-a.html Follow here