Middle Age Is A Great Excuse To Blast And Cruise

[SelfMedic]

My strength started really slipping in my late 30's. So I started playing around with test when I turned 40. I kept the dosages very, very low and slowly worked my way up. Then I added very low doses of tren and mast.

Then I realized that these things weren't going to kill me and were actually making me stronger. So I went back on a TRT dose of test for a while and planned a real cycle...which I just started last week:


Testosterone Enanthate 50 mg ED
Trenbolone Enanthate 50 mg ED
Masteron Enanthate 50 mg ED
hCG 250 iu ED
Exemestane 25 mg E3D

I know I'm going to get crap for pinning the long ester daily, but I LIKE pinning daily. There's no need to pin daily, but the fact is my levels are going to be as stable as they can be. I use 1 cc 29 gauge 1/2" in my delts and it works great. Doesn't hurt, doesn't bleed, no swelling or anything.

The plan is to go 12 or 13 weeks like this. On my TRT dose with my mini blast of mostly Masteron (I chickened out on Tren after a few days that fist time), I beat my lifetime bests. As I start this more structured blast I'm already making PRs again. My weight went up to a little over 200 lbs (at 5'10"), but it's been going down even though I'm still getting stronger. Now I'm ~197 and this week I deep squatted 425 and conventional deadlifted 505, both without a belt. I'm going to attempt my first bench set with 315 in three weeks.

Nothing show-stopping, but last year around this time I was a man about to turn 40 and struggling to stay at 175 lbs bodyweight, bench 205 and squat 315. There is a meet in December at the end of my first real cycle and I think I will be benching mid-300's, squat over 500 with wraps and pull at least 600 in the 220 class.

I'll be reporting here with significant strength breakthroughs.

 

[ChocolateClen]

Problem with pinning every day is that it doesn't give the injection sites time to heal. I've read that when you inject there IS cellular necrosis in the surrounding area, that's why it's so important to rotate injection sites. Not to mention 50mg is .2cc worth of test which is not going to be worth the syringes and pins you'll be going through just because you like doing it (just my opinion tho). Also I thought results could be seen running 100 iu of HCG a daily which would decrease the chances of desensitization but maybe I read wrong.

 

[SelfMedic]

Problem with pinning every day is that it doesn't give the injection sites time to heal. I've read that when you inject there IS cellular necrosis in the surrounding area, that's why it's so important to rotate injection sites. Not to mention 50mg is .2cc worth of test which is not going to be worth the syringes and pins you'll be going through just because you like doing it (just my opinion tho). Also I thought results could be seen running 100 iu of HCG a daily which would decrease the chances of desensitization but maybe I read wrong.

I rotate the portion of the delt (front, side, top, bottom every point in between) I inject and which delt I use. I may start using glutes. Quads did not agree with me.

I have read that for my purposes a blast of 250 iu daily was more appropriate. I plan on running this intermittently too. My balls were starting to shrink a bit and I wanted to spend a few week combating that. I'll stop after I use up the first vial and restart so I use up the next vial by the 12th week.

 

[ChocolateClen]

I rotate the portion of the delt (front, side, top, bottom every point in between) I inject and which delt I use. I may start using glutes. Quads did not agree with me.

I have read that for my purposes a blast of 250 iu daily was more appropriate. I plan on running this intermittently too. My balls were starting to shrink a bit and I wanted to spend a few week combating that. I'll stop after I use up the first vial and restart so I use up the next vial by the 12th week.

Quads hurt, but I've found injecting towards the outside of the quad rather then the top helps a lot. Yeah it still gets swollen but I can walk and all that because it's on the outside and not right in the top of my quad.

As for the balls shrinking, I've been trying to find if running HCG through your cycle is better then blasting for the last 3-4 weeks of your cycle and tapering off in to pct. I know ones more proactive and the other is reactive, but I can't seem to find data on which is better. 100 seems to be the right dose on cycle but since you're already combating shrunken boys I see where you're coming from.

 

[kelso312]

Quads hurt, but I've found injecting towards the outside of the quad rather then the top helps a lot. Yeah it still gets swollen but I can walk and all that because it's on the outside and not right in the top of my quad.

As for the balls shrinking, I've been trying to find if running HCG through your cycle is better then blasting for the last 3-4 weeks of your cycle and tapering off in to pct. I know ones more proactive and the other is reactive, but I can't seem to find data on which is better. 100 seems to be the right dose on cycle but since you're already combating shrunken boys I see where you're coming from.

No joking, I am pretty sure there is a thread on this site somewhere that reads: What can I take to make my balls bigger?

 

[SelfMedic]

Got sick and then partied a little too hard right after I got better. Lost two weeks of training and now I've lost 5-10% off my lifts. As of this weekend I'm lowering the test to TRT levels 30 mg ED and upping the tren to 70-75 mg ED.

 

[mmorso]

Subbed

 

[mmorso]

What can I take to make my balls bigger?

I've heard Torem will make the plums plump

 

[SelfMedic]

Libido has taken a major hit. I am going in to the doc to discuss this and to get prolactin checked. I preemptively ordered some Prami. My dopamine system is already jacked and the tren certainly can't be helping.

 

[Willtolift]

Libido has taken a major hit. I am going in to the doc to discuss this and to get prolactin checked. I preemptively ordered some Prami. My dopamine system is already jacked and the tren certainly can't be helping.

If you're running your tren at nearly three times your test that might account for it. You ever considered just running test at a high dose instead of the other gear?

 

[SelfMedic]

If you're running your tren at nearly three times your test that might account for it. You ever considered just running test at a high dose instead of the other gear?

Great point. But I just switched two days ago and libido took hit while test was double tren.

 

[Willtolift]

Great point. But I just switched two days ago and libido took hit while test was double tren.

Wow... That's odd.. You thinking prolactin or estro side?

 

[SelfMedic]

Wow... That's odd.. You thinking prolactin or estro side?

Yep. Which is what I'm going to talk with Doc about today. And why Prami is on the way.

 

[dr61574]

Libido has taken a major hit. I am going in to the doc to discuss this and to get prolactin checked. I preemptively ordered some Prami. My dopamine system is already jacked and the tren certainly can't be helping.

Good luck with prami sides suck better off with caber my sexdrive is threw the roof on tren ace eod. The **** is really worth it.

 

[Hyde]

If you've never used Prami, take it right before bed and you won't feel most of the sides. And if you go up, go up SLOW. If you rush it the sides can bite back. Once you adapt to a dose it's fine.

 

[SelfMedic]

If you've never used Prami, take it right before bed and you won't feel most of the sides. And if you go up, go up SLOW. If you rush it the sides can bite back. Once you adapt to a dose it's fine.

Thanks. I spent a few weeks reading the warnings about nausea and titrating up.

I wish I had paid more attention to how prolactin could be the real root of the libido problems I was hoping TRT would fix.

 

[Hyde]

Thanks. I spent a few weeks reading the warnings about nausea and titrating up.

I wish I had paid more attention to how prolactin could be the real root of the libido problems I was hoping TRT would fix.

Mine always runs on the high side and I think is why I've always felt like I have substandard libido. Cycling l-dopa (from high % extracts of Mucuna pruriens) has always helped a tad with libido and sleep for me.

 

[SelfMedic]

Doc has ordered all the labs I need: estradiol, FSH, prolactin, etc, but she really thinks my problem is supplementing all this extra exogenous test. I can't bring myself to tell her about the tren and the mast. I will go in for the labs later this week when I have time. Maybe tomorrow if I can get up early enough.

My BP is a little high: 150+ over 92. But I'm 40 and stressed out with a new job. Plus it's Monday and I'm always more stressed on Mondays. So nobody is worried yet even though this is the lower reaches of official hypertension. They want to keep an eye on this, but they aren't worried. They see patients with much worse.

I hope to be able to start reporting strength gains again soon. The Prami should be here before the end of the week and I hope to be able to report libido increases soon.

 

[Hyde]

150s over 92 is pretty rough territory. When I was on Msten and lots of 1/4andro I felt like death...at the doctor's I recall being 155/67 compared to 120s/70s typically. The nurse was like WTF.

If you are going to keep blasting and cruising, you might want to consider both natural and medical means to take better care of your cardiac health. 30 minute walk a day and a small amount of cialis, perhaps discus a CCB or ACE inhibitor with the doctor even. Just some things to consider - health matters too.

 

[SelfMedic]

Good luck with prami sides suck better off with caber my sexdrive is threw the roof on tren ace eod. The **** is really worth it.

I decided on Prami over Cabergoline in large part because the forner was reportedly much more effective for libido, just a more powerful dopamine agonist.

I cashed in my natty card in pursuit of teenage hypersexuality more than strength.

 

[Cgkone]

I decided on Prami over Cabergoline in large part because the forner was reportedly much more effective for libido, just a more powerful dopamine agonist.

I cashed in my natty card in pursuit of teenage hypersexuality more than strength.

So how's it working .what's your starting dose.

 

[SelfMedic]

So how's it working .what's your starting dose.

It arrives Thursday. So no data yet. Starting at 1/4 mg ed. Titrating to 1 mg.

 

[SelfMedic]

I think the high BP really was just stress. I am feeling way better now. My mood is improving and my joints are feeling supple, particularly my knees which have been problematic since I was 30. I even felt compelled to sprint a bit today after I got done benching and rowing.

 

[SelfMedic]

Four days ago I only got to 265 for a single on the bench, but tonight I got 275 for four. That's pretty close to the lifetime best I set a three weeks ago before I got sick: 275 for triples then a four and then 285 for a couple of doubles. This always happens. I take a short break and lose a lot, but it comes back quickly. Maybe I can start moving back to getting three plates and then for reps before the holidays.

Weight's 197-199 today.

Libido is starting to come back. I wonder if it's because I've lowered the test while upping the tren. Can't wait for the Prami.

 

[SelfMedic]

Got labs this mornings and results are updating in my online medical account.

My estradiol has shot up to over 200 pg/mL!!
My prolactin is 26 ng/mL!
My FSH is less than 1 mlU/mL
My HDL is a measly 13 mg/dL.

As for as my hyperthyroid situation:
TSH is under 0.01
Free T3 is barely within range at 169 ng/mL
Free T4 is twice the top of the range at 3.4 ng/dL

I'd cut down on from three 5-mg Methimazole pills per day to two and was still at over 8 for my TSH. Now I'm back to my hyperthyroid level of under 0.01 after doing only one pill most days and two pills from time to time.

MOST everything else is looking to be midrange/perfect except my creatinine which is a tad high, but this level is going to be higher for individuals with higher than average muscle mass so I'm just not going to worry about it.

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Component Your Value Standard Range
Estradiol 206 pg/mL <=50 pg/mL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very High
Prolactin 26 ng/mL 2 - 18 ng/mL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! High
FSH <1.0 mIU/mL 1.4 - 18.1 mIU/mL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Low

TSH <0.01 uIU/mL 0.40 - 4.20 uIU/mL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very Low
T3, Total 169 ng/dL 50 - 170 ng/dL
Free T4 3.4 ng/dL 0.8 - 1.7 ng/dL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very High

AST 24 U/L 10 - 40 U/L
ALT 22 U/L 0 - 36 U/L

Cholesterol 184 mg/dL <=239 mg/dL
Triglyceride 128 mg/dL <=499 mg/dL
HDL 13 mg/dL >=40 mg/dL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very Low
LD lipoprotein 145 mg/dL <=159 mg/dL

Neutrophils %, automated count 51 % 41 - 79 %
Lymphocytes %, automated count 34 % 13 - 44 %
Monos %, auto 10 % 5 - 14 %
Eosinophils %, automated count 5 % 0 - 6 %
Basophils %, automated count 0 % 0 - 2 %
Neutrophils auto count 3.7 K/uL 2.1 - 7.4 K/uL

Vitamin B12 729 pg/mL >=200 pg/mL
VITAMIN D, 25-HYDROXY 8 ng/mL 20 - 79 ng/mL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Low

Creatinine 1.49 mg/dL <=1.34 mg/dL
Glomerular filtration rate, nonAfrican American 52 mL/min >=60 mL/min
GLOMERULAR FILTRATION RATE - AFRICAN AMERICAN >60 mL/min >=60 mL/min
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But that super high e2 is a product of my running hCG pretty high to get my testicular volume back, I'm sure. I was also running test a little on the high side, but have since come down to 210 my of T-cyp weekly which is TRT level.

So for now, stop hCG, up AI, take Prami.

 

[SelfMedic]

I just got the results of the ultrasensitive estradiol test...

ESTRADIOL, ULTRASENSITIVE, LC MS/MS 131 pg/mL < OR = 29 pg/mL

Not as bad as 200+.

It also seems that I'm in hyperthyroid territory again because we tried lowering my daily dose of methimazole. Twice a day is not enough, but three times a day had my slightly hypo. So I'm going to alternate twice and thrice a day.

I'm surprised I haven't been losing strength and muscle because of the hyper condition. Either the process was about to start or all the test and other stuff was preventing it from happening.

The Prami arrived yesterday. I took 0.25 mg last night and tonight.

 

[Hyde]

Don't go nuts with the AI as dropping the HCG should help a ton with lowering estrogen. Also, Tren suppresses thyroid function some so it makes perfect sense you'd have to up that some. Nothing seems out of line based on what you're using, and you have the solutions (bump the AI and thyroid a bit, drop HCG, add Prami) so no worries. Only thing that really sucks is such an epicly bad good cholesterol level, but idk how you can get around that doing what you're doing.

 

[SelfMedic]

Don't go nuts with the AI as dropping the HCG should help a ton with lowering estrogen. Also, Tren suppresses thyroid function some so it makes perfect sense you'd have to up that some. Nothing seems out of line based on what you're using, and you have the solutions (bump the AI and thyroid a bit, drop HCG, add Prami) so no worries. Only thing that really sucks is such an epicly bad good cholesterol level, but idk how you can get around that doing what you're doing.

I am hyperthyroid so suppression would be welcome. I just need to up the dosage of methimazole again. Eventually I will have to have my thyroid killed and then get on HYPOthyroid meds for life. Methimazole is not supposed to be used long term.

What I wonder is how much my hyperthyroid has been inhibiting my progress. When my hyperthyroid first manifested earlier this year, I lost 40 lbs in under two months, and I was trembly and so out of breath that walking a few blocks at a time took supreme effort.

Prami: started 0.25 mg first two days, now I'm doing it twice per day, several hours apart. Feeling a bit hornier and have been enjoying porn and naughty texting with some friends. Could be placebo this early on, but I'll take it.

 

[Hyde]

I completely read hyper as hypo; shouldn't have skimmed so fast lol

 

[SelfMedic]

Getting really tired of waiting for this Enanthate to kick in.

 

[Cgkone]

I'm on week 3 of ethanate and it is starting to work.
Sex drive. Strength and mood are all rising.
But I sub q 1/4 ml everyday for the last 10 days in hopes to speed up the effects.
I think it worked.
I did not want to wait for week 5.
I just broke my own dead pr.

 

[SelfMedic]

I ran test high for a while with Mast, then I added a short hCG blast to get my balls back.

I recently cut back to a very low TRT dose of 20 mg ED of test e and no hCG.

I got my test that high and really wasn't very much stronger than I was on just LGD or RAD.

I'm going to finish my bottle of tren e, but I don't think it's going to get me to a 500 lb Olympic back squat and 600 lb conventional deaflift like I had hoped.

 

[Hyde]

Do it low bar? Been training exclusively beltless hi bar last 4 months at least and squat 425 after 3 months and missed 445. Yesterday I just came in with no peak and put my old competition Titan knee sleeves and belt on, took it low bar, and smoked 465 easier than 425 a month ago. I absolutely could have take 485 yesterday but didn't want the impact to recovery (I got the knowledge I came for and it wouldn't be a PR anyway).

Position and equipment make a big difference! Provided you have some decent hamstring and erectors on you. I know you have ab and quad and glute if you've been Oly squatting.

 

[SelfMedic]

I forgot to mention that my testosterone came back as almost 2800.

TESTOSTERONE, ULTRASENSITIVE, LC MS/MS Your Value: 2714 ng/dL Standard Range >=240 ng/dL

Why am I struggling to get stronger with so much total test in my body?

 

[SelfMedic]

Do it low bar? Been training exclusively beltless hi bar last 4 months at least and squat 425 after 3 months and missed 445. Yesterday I just came in with no peak and put my old competition Titan knee sleeves and belt on, took it low bar, and smoked 465 easier than 425 a month ago. I absolutely could have take 485 yesterday but didn't want the impact to recovery (I got the knowledge I came for and it wouldn't be a PR anyway).

Position and equipment make a big difference! Provided you have some decent hamstring and erectors on you. I know you have ab and quad and glute if you've been Oly squatting.

I switched from low bar years ago after getting up to 418 lbs in raw w/ sleeves competition and 405 x 3 x 3 in training @ 179 lbs.

I've been a big advocate of high bar since, and I feel much stronger now that I can squat 405+ high bar without a belt @ 195-198. Back when I was low bar squatting 405+ with a belt, I didn't have a prayer of squatting that weight in the high bar position. My best high bar back then was a measly 335 and I had to work really, really hard to get it up to 365 totally raw and 385 with heavy wraps (no belt).

Like most people, I find that the real driver of lower body strength is the high bar squat. I can funnel that into higher low bar numbers, but it comes at the cost of losing high bar proficiency. So like an Olympic-style weightlifter, I focus on the high bar squat.

I may take your suggestion, however. I'm curious to see what I could do with a low bar squat these days. Plus, if I really plan to do a meet again, the low bar will let me lift more and it will also translate into a much bigger sumo pull.

 

[Hyde]

That's what I'm saying - if your beltless hi bar has gotten stronger, you will be able to lift even more with a low position and belt.

I don't know that hi bar builds sumo better than low (low is more hip dominant after all) but if your legs and core are stronger your pull will have risen regardless most certainly!

As for test levels and strength...strength takes time. Drugs can only do so much, but remember that to lift more than ever done you must do more work than ever before. So if you squat 405 for 3x3 to max at 418 for example, you must get to where you could do greater than that. Volume or intensity in a training session (given a fixed weekly training frequency) must be increased. So you need to be able to do more sets or reps w 405, or use a greater weight for 3x3 at that same frequency. This is fundamental, but easy to forget: you must always do more work somehow over time. The drugs only help facilitate that.

 

[SelfMedic]

I quickly upped the Prami to 0.5 mg and still had no signs of nausea. So in the interest of making sure my stuff was legit, I doubled my dose to a full mg last night.

It's real. I got some tingling and queasiness like I was about to vomit. I managed to keep it together, but I felt like crap for a couple of hours.

 

[Cgkone]

I quickly upped the Prami to 0.5 mg and still had no signs of nausea. So in the interest of making sure my stuff was legit, I doubled my dose to a full mg last night.

It's real. I got some tingling and queasiness like I was about to vomit. I managed to keep it together, but I felt like crap for a couple of hours.

Has sex drive increased

 

[SelfMedic]

Has sex drive increased

TMI Warning.

Night before last had crazy sex dream and woke up in the middle of the night with a painful erection thag was harder than anything I've had in months.

Last night and tbis morning, back to less than average drive and no nighttime or morning wood.

 

[SelfMedic]

That's what I'm saying - if your beltless hi bar has gotten stronger, you will be able to lift even more with a low position and belt.

I don't know that hi bar builds sumo better than low (low is more hip dominant after all) but if your legs and core are stronger your pull will have risen regardless most certainly!

As for test levels and strength...strength takes time. Drugs can only do so much, but remember that to lift more than ever done you must do more work than ever before. So if you squat 405 for 3x3 to max at 418 for example, you must get to where you could do greater than that. Volume or intensity in a training session (given a fixed weekly training frequency) must be increased. So you need to be able to do more sets or reps w 405, or use a greater weight for 3x3 at that same frequency. This is fundamental, but easy to forget: you must always do more work somehow over time. The drugs only help facilitate that.

Widish stance low bar is the best builder of sumo deadlift IME. I train high bar and conventional, but if I wanted to get the highest possible total in comp, I'd switch to low bar six weeks out and that would also build my sumo way past my conventional. This adds up to over 100 additional points on my total.

 

[SelfMedic]

Libido report

Having solo fun at night reminiscing about old girlfriends and hookups. But no desire for actual sex with wifey who is asleep next to me. No desire for porn either.

E2 is high at around 140, but test to e2 ratio is still high at almost 20 and a test reading at 2700+.

The problem has to be the prolactin which was at 26. It needs to get under 10. Tge prami is now at 0.6mg. Going up to 0.7 tonight.

 

[Hyde]

My experience with prolactin is any time I'm at 16 or up I'm not very useful.

 

[SelfMedic]

My experience with prolactin is any time I'm at 16 or up I'm not very useful.

How long does it take to get it down?


385 double on high bar, no belt, cheap, loose Red Devil wraps. That is a PR with so little assistance from the wraps. 5 lbs shy of double bodyweight

 

[Hyde]

Nice job - get fatter and it will also get easier because your belly and thighs will pile up too. But then you'd also be fat lol...

 

[SelfMedic]

Nice job - get fatter and it will also get easier because your belly and thighs will pile up too. But then you'd also be fat lol...

Heh. I couldn't get fat if I tried, but the tren is helping me replace what fat I do have with muscle. The scale isn't moving much, but I keep getting stronger. A couple days ago I got a tiny PR on the bench I got a couple triples with 285 and then followed that up with a double and a single. I've never held more than 285 in my hands in the bench. And it's week 5 so the tren ethanate is starting to kick in and I'm hoping to finally get 315 for reps soon.

 

[Hyde]

I can triple 280 on bench right now and have done 315 in the gym and 314 in comp very recently. If you're there, I would assume you've got to be knocking on a single at 315 now.

For me it helps to feel weight before I ever attempt it. Slingshot, board press, heavy handoff/holds help build the lat strength and mental toughness to increase my 1RM - then it feels less intimidating when you actually go to press it raw basically.

 

[SelfMedic]

I can triple 280 on bench right now and have done 315 in the gym and 314 in comp very recently. If you're there, I would assume you've got to be knocking on a single at 315 now.

For me it helps to feel weight before I ever attempt it. Slingshot, board press, heavy handoff/holds help build the lat strength and mental toughness to increase my 1RM - then it feels less intimidating when you actually go to press it raw basically.

Agreed! I love the idea of gear providing a means of overlimit training. This is how I use wraps in the squat. I set new PRs with my heavier wraps then work backwards to the lighter wraps with less snd less tension. Within a few weeks I am using my big PR weight as a warmup set without any wraps at all.

I won't be attempting 315 on bench, however, because I want to walk into home plate, so to speak. I want 315 to come as a linear progression work set. Once I get 305 for a few sets of three, the next session will have me taking 315 for a triple.

I stick very strictly to triples on the bench, doubles on tbe squat, and infrequent singles on the deadlift. I accumulate volume with more sets in this range rather than ever lowering the weight for more reps in a set.

 

[Hyde]

Do you fear weight gain with the inevitable hypertrophy of using a 6-10 rep range?

 

[SelfMedic]

I mainly hate hate hate rep work of any kind.

But also I get way better progress from intensity. I have a historically hard time translating higher reps into a bigger max.

 

[SelfMedic]

Small PR. High bar, Olympic-style squat, no belt 405 for 2 sets of 2. I've done this before with my All Black wraps which give me 15-20 lbs. Tonight I used my beat up, old Red Devil style thin wraps at medium tightness, which give me 5-10 lbs.

Just as significant is that this is a 20-lb improvement AND a doubling of work set volume over last session squat session six day ago when I got 385 x 2 with the same wraps.

I weighed 198 even tonight. I stood 5'10" at the start of the session, but was 5'9 1/2" by the end.

Mood us better, not nearly as stressed out and emotional. Libido not dead, but far from useful.

Wind is gone. That warmup set of 16 with the bar had me huffing fo several minutes.