NPP and your experience

[SonnyAz]

I will stand by and see what you all have to say.

 

[Dma378]

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[Burnfire]

About to run some soon, subbed as well for comments.

 

[SonnyAz]

I guess I'll start with my experience. I'm 1 week in. Running with sust, pinning 4x a week. I've used sust before same contact for it never had an issue so I was thinking the pip I'm getting is from the npp. Mild pip in the glute gluten clears over night. In the thigh it lingers 2-3 days. So far though mild strength gain and visual changes in the mirror, not major but it's noticeable, chest is squaring not such a rounded look to my pecs. Thighs and upper back have a constant tight/puffy look. No sides yet.

Still want to hear what everyone/anyone else has experienced with this.

 

[stankyleg]

What's your dose bro

 

[SonnyAz]

Running it 500sus/400npp. I failed to mention the 50mg of dbol I was doing all pre-workout but it's causing a rapid heart beat 2hrs after so I'm splitting the dose.

 

[stankyleg]

Thanks bro. Keep us posted about this. I'm thinking of going nandro cyp on my next run.

 

[Alpha1a]

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[GLHF]

Never used it. But if you want to get the benefits of Nandrolone, joint lubrication, high anabolic activity, etc... your better off with the deca ester.
NPP is recently a new compound (past 10 or so years)....however, DECA is a loooonnggg time veteran choice for a reason.
Just because NPP and Deca are both nandrolone, does not mean they will do the same thing.

 

[SonnyAz]

GLHF see my understanding is its the same chemical compound. One attached to a long ester and one attached to a shorter ester. Not trying to be rude but it's hard to understand someone saying it's different when the chemical make up is identical... like saying the #1 isn't the same the #1.

 

[stankyleg]

Everything I've read, (I've only read about it) it seems that npp has all the good with none of the bad. No water retention and such.

 

[Brandaddy]

Never used it. But if you want to get the benefits of Nandrolone, joint lubrication, high anabolic activity, etc... your better off with the deca ester.
NPP is recently a new compound (past 10 or so years)....however, DECA is a loooonnggg time veteran choice for a reason.
Just because NPP and Deca are both nandrolone, does not mean they will do the same thing.

It was actually to my belief via some notably extensive research, that "npp" and "deca" are the same compound just with different esters. As in test e and test p. They have different esters attached, yet are still test in essence. As far as the history, when nandrolone was first released, I believe they actually had npp as the first version back in the 50's.

 

[WAF]

Running it 500sus/400npp. I failed to mention the 50mg of dbol I was doing all pre-workout but it's causing a rapid heart beat 2hrs after so I'm splitting the dose.

This is why i prefer 5mg tabs. Plus its active life is so short its better to keep a solid base instead of sporadic dosing.

 

[fdigioia99]

It was actually to my belief via some notably extensive research, that "npp" and "deca" are the same compound just with different esters. As in test e and test p. They have different esters attached, yet are still test in essence. As far as the history, when nandrolone was first released, I believe they actually had npp as the first version back in the 50's.

Correct it has been around since then and yes I have used way more aesthetic than Decca low water retention and muscle hardness. Assuming your diet is on point.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Just my experience when trying to lubricate my bad knees:

16 weeks: Test-e 250mg/NPP 300mg (could have been 400mg, not sure)as kick starter for 6 weeks / Deca up to 600mg

Kick started the "low test/Deca-healing cycle" with (I believe it was 300mg/week) NPP EOD and found relief for my joints after a week of use, strength and endurance shot up too.
After dropping NPP I waited for the Deca to kick in, did almost nothing even after 3 month of use.
Not sure if the Deca was bunk, but the NPP, hands down worked fabulous.

 

[xtyler]

NPP is recently a new compound (past 10 or so years)...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14403896

Used in medicine since 1959....

 

[GLHF]

Lol dude if I think Arnold was using NPP, it was nandrolone with deca ester. Now the npp is fairly new stuff when compared to test dbol deca been used for over half century. Don't pick on my words man, I typed it quick.

Your article is correct. But the local gym rat or even top Olympia didn't have access to this stuff. They used the deca version

 

[fdigioia99]

Lol dude if I think Arnold was using NPP, it was nandrolone with deca ester. Now the npp is fairly new stuff when compared to test dbol deca been used for over half century. Don't pick on my words man, I typed it quick.

Your article is correct. But the local gym rat or even top Olympia didn't have access to this stuff. They used the deca version

Not to but in but I think that's what he meant and that's definitely what I meant it was used in medicine like he wrote in his post. Also I'll find them I have them , Mike Mentzer wrote about the differences between NPP and Decca.

 

[xtyler]

Lol dude if I think Arnold was using NPP, it was nandrolone with deca ester. Now the npp is fairly new stuff when compared to test dbol deca been used for over half century. Don't pick on my words man, I typed it quick.

Your article is correct. But the local gym rat or even top Olympia didn't have access to this stuff. They used the deca version

For the records, they all had access to NPP.
It's name was Durabolin (Just Durabolin, not Deca-Durabolin, made by Organon as well). Arnold Schwarzenegger, Mike Mentzer, Sergio Olivia and pretty much all the big names of the Golden Age used it.
In the USA they all used the same handful of HG products: Durabolin, Deca-Durabolin, Ciba Dianabol, Nilevar and some had access to Primobolan and Winstrol from Europe.

/history lesson

 

[fdigioia99]

For the records, they all had access to NPP.
It's name was Durabolin (Just Durabolin, not Deca-Durabolin, made by Organon as well). Arnold Schwarzenegger, Mike Mentzer, Sergio Olivia and pretty much all the big names of the Golden Age used it.
In the USA they all used the same handful of HG products: Durabolin, Deca-Durabolin, Ciba Dianabol, Nilevar and some had access to Primobolan and Winstrol from Europe.

/history lesson

Yup that's it exactly brother thanks that was going to drive me nuts till I found it! I'm old school I assume you are to? Thanks for the info brother!

 

[xtyler]

Yup that's it exactly brother thanks that was going to drive me nuts till I found it! I'm old school I assume you are to? Thanks for the info brother!

Older than I like to admit LOL
I still remember Esiclene 8hrs before walking on stage...

 

[fdigioia99]

Never used it but heard it hurt like HELL to inject!!! Lol!

 

[xtyler]

Never used it but heard it hurt like HELL to inject!!! Lol!

It MUST hurt: its the nasty local inflammation that gives you the temporary extra volume

Site Enhancing Oil "ante litteram" haha

 

[Gutterpump]

Sub'd. Going to run NPP and test prop this fall.

 

[netflixNchill]

Same^ but more towards Christmas to beat santas ass

 

[Lucianooo]

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[Gutterpump]

Anyone run mast with NPP/test? Thinking that's what I'll run around Christmas

 

[Gutterpump]

Never used it but heard it hurt like HELL to inject!!! Lol!

I find using a bit of sterile grapeseed oil helps this. If shooting a half CC of a painful compound, I'll pull up another half CC of the sterile grapeseed oil. Cuts down on site reactions this way too when BA content is high Or just blending/ shooting it with something else can work too

 

[Gutterpump]

What do people think of running NPP/test / mast for 12 weeks during a recomp? Most people run it 8-10 weeks but I don't see why 12 would be bad, minus the myostatin factor.

 

[Burnfire]

What do people think of running NPP/test / mast for 12 weeks during a recomp? Most people run it 8-10 weeks but I don't see why 12 would be bad, minus the myostatin factor.

Dude I think the mast with the NPP would be a very nice combo! Just watch your sides and I dont see why 12 weeks wouldn't work.

 

[Gutterpump]

Dude I think the mast with the NPP would be a very nice combo! Just watch your sides and I dont see why 12 weeks wouldn't work.

Thanks. I've previously used another 19-nor for longer, dienalone ace for 16 weeks (ramped up to 600mg/week after 10 weeks) and I just had to add nolva at that point (on top of prami that was already in use) and things were fine. Haven't used NPP before though. Wish dien ace was still around.

 

[Burnfire]

Thanks. I've previously used another 19-nor for longer, dienalone ace for 16 weeks (ramped up to 600mg/week after 10 weeks) and I just had to add nolva at that point (on top of prami that was already in use) and things were fine. Haven't used NPP before though. Wish dien ace was still around.

NPP is nice man, I'm at 450mg a week about 5 weeks in and loving it. What type of test are you using with it?

 

[Gutterpump]

NPP is nice man, I'm at 450mg a week about 5 weeks in and loving it. What type of test are you using with it?

Was thinking of prop, but that's a lot of oil everyday especially with mast prop. So I'm thinking biweekly shots of test cyp and mast e, daily shots of NPP with slin pins.

 

[Burnfire]

Was thinking of prop, but that's a lot of oil everyday especially with mast prop. So I'm thinking biweekly shots of test cyp and mast e, daily shots of NPP with slin pins.

Test prop and NPP are pretty nice together. Yeah going with the test cyp and mast e would save you on supplies and less oil at once. Either way that's gonna be a nice run!

 

[saywutrly]

Subbed. A buddy recently got me curious about NPP for my next cycle. (Yes I do PCT and breaks, I just like to plan ahead.) Is the general consensus that pinning it with Sust in the same barrel will help a bit with the PIP? If not, I may add more sterile oil as I've seen that recommended more than once.

 

[Gutterpump]

Subbed. A buddy recently got me curious about NPP for my next cycle. (Yes I do PCT and breaks, I just like to plan ahead.) Is the general consensus that pinning it with Sust in the same barrel will help a bit with the PIP? If not, I may add more sterile oil as I've seen that recommended more than once.

Yup either/or will work

 

[rascal14]

Anyone who gets bad sides with Tren, how do they compare to the sides of NPP?

Acne, anxiety, insomnia?

 

[Burnfire]

Anyone who gets bad sides with Tren, how do they compare to the sides of NPP?

Acne, anxiety, insomnia?

Though I haven't tried tren, I'm having no anxiety well just normal amount. For sure no insomnia. Just some itchy nips here and there.

 

[Rodja]

Anyone who gets bad sides with Tren, how do they compare to the sides of NPP?

Acne, anxiety, insomnia?

There's no comparison on sides. NPP is barely androgenic, but a great anabolic. Tren gets most of its sides from its high androgenic activity (combined with additional androgenic compounds).

 

[rascal14]

There's no comparison on sides. NPP is barely androgenic, but a great anabolic. Tren gets most of its sides from its high androgenic activity (combined with additional androgenic compounds).

that makes sense. I wasn't sure of the comparison because they're both 19-nor. I got horrible anxiety on Tren and when I dropped it the acne was awful.

 

[Rodja]

that makes sense. I wasn't sure of the comparison because they're both 19-nor. I got horrible anxiety on Tren and when I dropped it the acne was awful.

They may be of the same base, but they're worlds apart. NPP is a great steroid for those that want another anabolic that is low sides. It's one of my favorite steroids and this is coming someone that hated deca.

 

[fdigioia99]

They may be of the same base, but they're worlds apart. NPP is a great steroid for those that want another anabolic that is low sides. It's one of my favorite steroids and this is coming someone that hated deca.

What are the main differences between Decca and NPP? In terms of effect?

 

[rascal14]

They may be of the same base, but they're worlds apart. NPP is a great steroid for those that want another anabolic that is low sides. It's one of my favorite steroids and this is coming someone that hated deca.

Good to hear, thanks.

I had such a rough time on Tren that I planned on never running AAS again. Now that I'm feeling better I'm kinda wanting to again. Tren is a no go, I get horrible back pumps on orals even with tons of taurine and water, and I'd like to keep cycles short.

So that basically limits me to prop and npp. Lol

 

[Gutterpump]

I'm one of the lucky ones who gets no sides but insomnia on tren. But I really want to try NPP with mast and test this winter.

 

[B5150]

200mg test e, 400mg mast e, 450mg NPP 12 weeks zero sides

 

[fdigioia99]

I'm one of the lucky ones who gets no sides but insomnia on tren. But I really want to try NPP with mast and test this winter.

Yeah I don't get it must be user's who are prone to those type of sides. Sorry but some of it must be mental.

 

[fdigioia99]

200mg test e, 400mg mast e, 450mg NPP 12 weeks zero sides

Truly "UNBREAKABLE"!! LOL

 

[Rodja]

What are the main differences between Decca and NPP? In terms of effect?

On paper, there shouldn't be much as the only difference is the ester. However, it was night and day for me. Deca mainly just gave me happy joints, bloat, and horrible back acne (**** left scars for about 2 years). NPP gave me great fullness, bumped my appetite, and was much better in terms of LBM. I don't recall any sides with it either (it's been a few years).

 

[fdigioia99]

Awesome thanks bro might have to try it Decca was trash for me to in the past. NPP you need to pin ED OR EOD? What's a good dose taken with a low dose of prop?

 

[Rodja]

Awesome thanks bro might have to try it Decca was trash for me to in the past. NPP you need to pin ED OR EOD? What's a good dose taken with a low dose of prop?

50mg ED was my dosing.