Best Test Base

[InItForGainz]

Which is best for preventing lethargy on cycle and best to stack with 1-Andro for a recomp/lean gains cycle.
Dermacrine-Transdermal Delivery (BPS), Unlikely Estro Sides, Possible Joint Support.
OR
Epi-Andro-SEDDS Delivery (OL), Anti-Estrogenic, Mood and Aggression Benefits.

I know 4-Andro is also a popular Test Base but the possible estro conversion is offputting for some. And I'm asking for more of a recomp/lean gains cycle rather than bulk.

Thanks

 

[dave39]

Dermacrine gets lots of good reviews from fellas on here as a mild feel good "base" product for light andro cycles.

 

[LeanEngineer]

Yep dermacrine gets a lot of good reviews at strong supplement shop. I'd definitely recommend it for a test base.

 

[Dma378]

I really liked Dermacrine too, but is Trest out of the question for you? Probably the best base available. TD over oral

Edit: see your concern with e2 conversion. I still say keep your dose moderate and use a proper AI, and Trest is great.

 

[Night hog]

I like dermacrine and epiandro. Only thing with orals is they take a few days to get in the blood stream where as dermacrine kicks in day 1 for me.

 

[Afi140]

What doses are you running the 1-Andro at?

4 Andro estro sides are pretty uncommon (although definitely possible). If you're going for recomp epiandro will compliment the 1-Andro nicely and should help keep lethargy at bay.

 

[PeteRyde]

I've used Stano in the past but no longer available. Last sarm cycle used just Dermacrine and it was fine. This sarm cycle I tried epiandro and it was just ok. I just added Dermacrine a week ago and think together they shine.

 

[rtmilburn]

I've used Stano in the past but no longer available. Last sarm cycle used just Dermacrine and it was fine. This sarm cycle I tried epiandro and it was just ok. I just added Dermacrine a week ago and think together they shine.

Im pretty sure stano and epiandro are the same thing

 

[PeteRyde]

Im pretty sure stano and epiandro are the same thing

Thanks. Knew the end result of both was DHT so likely I just didn't dose the epiandro enough.

 

[jakz]

Injectable Test . Smart asses gonna ass :lol:

 

[InItForGainz]

What doses are you running the 1-Andro at?

4 Andro estro sides are pretty uncommon (although definitely possible). If you're going for recomp epiandro will compliment the 1-Andro nicely and should help keep lethargy at bay.

Running the 1-Andro at 330mg for 8 weeks. Looking at adding the Dermacrine in at 4 pumps per day, 2 in the morning and 2 mid afternoon

 

[Dragoninho]

Dermacrine is aces in my book! Both on and off cycle (!!!).
It can actually be att nice addition to real injectable test as well during TRT for instance.
And Dermacrine and Epiandro/Androsterone is a really nice stack!! Put a cherry (compound of your choice) on the top on that sundae and you are golden!

My only concern is that i starts to get harder to get Dermacrine in EU know. Only 1 shop that holds it now and they want aprx 60 dollar for a tube which is freakin crazy!
Tried to order it from NP but it got seized from the customs..

4-andro was nothing for me, didn't like it all.

Trest is obviously the strongest compound and some people love it. But as 'base' just to keep things normal and running Dermacrine does the job better IMO.
I get an 'on' feeling even on small doses of trest which of course is quite nice but overall wellbeing is better on Derma anyway (mental clarity, cognitive function etc).

I'm curious for OL's new test base which the have talked about a while. Right now it's very quiet though..

 

[vujade]

I've used Stano in the past but no longer available. Last sarm cycle used just Dermacrine and it was fine. This sarm cycle I tried epiandro and it was just ok. I just added Dermacrine a week ago and think together they shine.

Stano is still available, though no longer are companies calling it Stano.

Stano is Androsterone, or R-Andro. And it is still available from Sparta, Nutra Innovations, HardRock Supplements & a few others.

Im pretty sure stano and epiandro are the same thing

they are both Isomers of the same compound,, but they are slightly different in their effects.

Androsterone is a Alpha isomer, and has a positive effect on Gaba, which causes a more relaxed Alpha feeling
with a sense of wetl being. Androsterone is also slightly more androgenic then epi-androsterone.

EpiAndrosterone is the Beta isomer and can stimulate you because it does not have a positive effect on Gaba,
which for some people can cause anxiety and jitteriness at high doses.

 

[rtmilburn]

Stano is still available, though no longer are companies calling it Stano.

Stano is Androsterone, or R-Andro. And it is still available from Sparta, Nutra Innovations, HardRock Supplements & a few others.




they are both Isomers of the same compound,, but they are slightly different in their effects.

Androsterone is a Alpha isomer, and has a positive effect on Gaba, which causes a more relaxed Alpha feeling
with a sense of wetl being. Androsterone is also slightly more androgenic then epi-androsterone.

EpiAndrosterone is the Beta isomer and can stimulate you because it does not have a positive effect on Gaba,
which for some people can cause anxiety and jitteriness at high doses.

After going back through old reviews log and picture of products, stano was epiandro

"Competitive Edge Labs released a new product named Standrol (3-BETA-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one)"

beta isomer=epiandro

 

[rtmilburn]

After going back through old reviews log and picture of products, stano was epiandro

"Competitive Edge Labs released a new product named Standrol (3-BETA-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one)"

beta isomer=epiandro

Also it looks like the only product with Androsterone, aka 3-alpha-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one, was primordial preformonce's androhard up until recently

 

[InItForGainz]

What are the chances of Estro sides with Dermacrine?
I'll be taking OL's Ar1macare Pro on cycle and have Exemestane as my emergency AI and for PCT.

 

[rtmilburn]

What are the chances of Estro sides with Dermacrine?
I'll be taking OL's Ar1macare Pro on cycle and have Exemestane as my emergency AI and for PCT.

There isnt really any chance of estro side with derma

 

[Dragoninho]

There isnt really any chance of estro side with derma

Well, I shouldn't say there is no chance of estro sides. Are you very sensetive for estrogen and uses a high dose there's a risk.
But the risk is quite small.

I know some people who actually has got estro sides with Dermacrine but they are rare.

 

[Bunshichi]

If its basically the same, what do you guys think?
Is it better to take a classical (pure) Stanodrol at 900mg or would the Olympus Labs Epiandro with its SEDDS delivery be better at 500mg?

 

[InItForGainz]

Well, I shouldn't say there is no chance of estro sides. Are you very sensetive for estrogen and uses a high dose there's a risk.
But the risk is quite small.

I know some people who actually has got estro sides with Dermacrine but they are rare.

I don't know if I'm sensetive or not tbh. was going to run 4-AD with1-AD before but after 13 days of 4-AD (ran 2 week warm up test base before adding the 1-AD) my whole upper body and face exploded with acne so I had to drop out of that. Which is why I'm looking for a less acne prone test base this time round.
The Anti-Estrogen complex in the Dermacrine will hopefully make it a clearer run.

 

[rtmilburn]

If its basically the same, what do you guys think?
Is it better to take a classical (pure) Stanodrol at 900mg or would the Olympus Labs Epiandro with its SEDDS delivery be better at 500mg?

Why dont you run the typical one gram of stano with sedds from ol???

 

[Bunshichi]

Why dont you run the typical one gram of stano with sedds from ol???

Because thats pretty expensive.
900mg from pure Stano a day costs a little less than the 500mg SEDDS Stano.

 

[rtmilburn]

Because thats pretty expensive.
900mg from pure Stano a day costs a little less than the 500mg SEDDS Stano.

But do it for the gainz lol idk what would be stronger thb

 

[Bunshichi]

But do it for the gainz lol idk what would be stronger thb

For the gainz the will be ither Halodrol, Epistane, Superdrol or Pheraplex xD
Epiandro shall provide feelgood.

 

[rtmilburn]

For the gainz the will be ither Halodrol, Epistane, Superdrol or Pheraplex xD
Epiandro shall provide feelgood.

I know EpiAndrosterone provide very little for tangible gainz. It really only makes the dick work, gets rid of lethargy, and provides alpha feeling, but wont change your weight, and any size, and nominal increase of strength by its self(stacked though strength gainz are great).

 

[Blergs]

teste or cyp is the best IMO

 

[Dma378]

teste or cyp is the best IMO

Holy crap, why didn't anyone think of this?

 

[vujade]

teste or cyp is the best IMO

Holy crap, why didn't anyone think of this?

:biggthumpup: :biglaugh:

 

[paul56778]

teste or cyp is the best IMO

What about Sust

 

[InItForGainz]

Seeing as 11-OXO can convert to Testosterone could it used as a base too?

 

[vujade]

Seeing as 11-OXO can convert to Testosterone could it used as a base too?

No. It doesn't convert directly to test and
Has almost no impact on libido

 

[Bunshichi]

No. It doesn't convert directly to test and
Has almost no impact on libido

Well in higher doses it should even impact libido negatively.

 

[Blergs]

What about Sust

if thats all you have sure, but cyp or enth is easier to keep levels stable. only time i use sust type is if its for super cheap for some reason.