Blood test results

[vinylpusher1]

Hello,

Sorry if this is posted in the wrong place.

A year ago i did a 5 week cycle of epistane and have suffered from low libido and "other issues" since. Ive done 2 PCT's of Nolva and Clomid and ive just had my bloods done about 12 weeks after my last PCT.

I am a bit worried as my FSH seems low and my Test also seems low. Can someone look at these results and advise if they are normal? or what i can take to improve them?

Docs wont do anymore for me as im "In range"

Ive attached my results.

Many thanks

 

[M.I.D]

I think you need to lower your prolactin personally... I am no expert tho

 

[fueledpassion]

what are the references ranges? Not all of them are listed. Can't really know anything without those.

 

[M.I.D]

Your LH is not too bad but I would say your FSH is low

When and what was your last PCT?

 

[vinylpusher1]

Your LH is not too bad but I would say your FSH is low

When and what was your last PCT?

Yeah i thought my FSH was low. LH seems to be in line with others that i have seen around the net and prolactin looks high to me.

I was last on PCT in March 2016. Did Nolva and Clomid.

 

[M.I.D]

Yeah i thought my FSH was low. LH seems to be in line with others that i have seen around the net and prolactin looks high to me.

I was last on PCT in March 2016. Did Nolva and Clomid.

Please tell me length of pct and dose

 

[vinylpusher1]

Please tell me length of pct and dose

I cant quite remember but i'm sure it was

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 20/20/20/20

 

[M.I.D]

I cant quite remember but i'm sure it was

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 20/20/20/20

Possibly bunk???

I personally run 6 weeks pct....

hmmm maybe you got an issue

 

[vinylpusher1]

Possibly bunk???

I personally run 6 weeks pct....

hmmm maybe you got an issue

Ive used from 2 sources now, once when i finished the cycle and then again in March.

What do you mean "Maybe you got an issue" ?

 

[vinylpusher1]

what are the references ranges? Not all of them are listed. Can't really know anything without those.

Ref ranges for the ones that arn't there can be found online quite easily. FSH is 1.5 to 12.4 mIU/ml

As you can see, im just scraping this.

LH is 1.8-12.0 mIU/L so 7 isnt great but over midway

 

[M.I.D]

Ref ranges for the ones that arn't there can be found online quite easily. FSH is 1.5 to 12.4 mIU/ml

As you can see, im just scraping this.

LH is 1.8-12.0 mIU/L so 7 isnt great but over midway

7 is absolutely spot on

 

[M.I.D]

Ive used from 2 sources now, once when i finished the cycle and then again in March.

What do you mean "Maybe you got an issue" ?

An issue meaning maybe you should see an endocrinologist

 

[fueledpassion]

Ref ranges for the ones that arn't there can be found online quite easily. FSH is 1.5 to 12.4 mIU/ml

As you can see, im just scraping this.

LH is 1.8-12.0 mIU/L so 7 isnt great but over midway

Well, when you have low LH and FSH and low T values, that's usually secondary hypogonadism - common to steroid cycles. If you have high LH/FSH values and low T values, that's primary hypogonadism (which isn't curable).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1472884/ - see the "main points" at bottom of study.

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

Seconday is the best you can have as there's many options (clomid nolva tript torem)

Also your estrogen is 98....... that's GROSS for a man, lower that and you'll be better, did you use an AI in last 2 weeks of PCT?

 

[uprightrows]

Your test level seems fine. You probably don't need a 6 week PCT for a 5 week epi cycle, or 100mg of clomid if it's legit. In the future, get pharma grade for PCT if you can, it is usually cheaper than RC anyway. Honestly your numbers don't look that bad, I wouldn't be super concerned about the low FSH as long as your LH is solid (it's more important for test production). Your prolactin levels are a bit high and that can be detrimental for some guys. I always have elevated prolactin, at or above the top of the reference range, has been that way before I started cycling and I have never had libido issues or gyno, but everyone is different. There are several OTC supplements for lowering prolactin, you might want to give them a try or just mega dose B6. Also, lowered libido can be totally mental, are you really stressed or feeling depressed? Also how old are you, helps to interpret the test range.

 

[uprightrows]

Seconday is the best you can have as there's many options (clomid nolva tript torem)

Also your estrogen is 98....... that's GROSS for a man, lower that and you'll be better, did you use an AI in last 2 weeks of PCT?

The estrogen test is in pmol/L not pg/dL that most use, 98 is totally fine

 

[uprightrows]

Seconday is the best you can have as there's many options (clomid nolva tript torem)

Also your estrogen is 98....... that's GROSS for a man, lower that and you'll be better, did you use an AI in last 2 weeks of PCT?

The estrogen test is in pmol/L not pg/dL that most use, 98 is totally fine

 

[paul56778]

For lowering Estro a you could use Letrone and for Free test / Test boosting Viron or Alpha Max XT, or the new Test1fy by OL standalone.

 

[vinylpusher1]

Seconday is the best you can have as there's many options (clomid nolva tript torem)

Also your estrogen is 98....... that's GROSS for a man, lower that and you'll be better, did you use an AI in last 2 weeks of PCT?

Oh really i thought this was quite low seeing as the rang is anything lower than 223. No i didn't run an AI.

 

[vinylpusher1]

Im 27, no i dont really worry or stress - Only about this, which is possibly having some effect as i start to worry when we come to have sex.

One thing that does worry me is weve been trying for a baby for 6 months and it hasnt happened yet, im just worried ive messed myself up from 5 weeks on epistane. This is the only thing i stress about.

How do i lower my prolactin? Im currently taking mucuna puriens.

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

Im 27, no i dont really worry or stress - Only about this, which is possibly having some effect as i start to worry when we come to have sex.

One thing that does worry me is weve been trying for a baby for 6 months and it hasnt happened yet, im just worried ive messed myself up from 5 weeks on epistane. This is the only thing i stress about.

How do i lower my prolactin? Im currently taking mucuna puriens.

It takes about 6-12months for sperm production to be back as the sperm you ejaculate now is 3 months old.

 

[uprightrows]

Oh, didn't realize you were trying to be a father, that makes FSH a lot more important than I previously stated. I suspect the libido issue is probably in your head, not being able to get some one pregnant is not. I would keep trying for a while, and if you still don't have any success see an endocrinologist or a fertility specialist together.

Mucuna pruriens is usually good for prolactin, trying adding in high dose B6, if that doesn't work there are pharma options, but they are kind of a last resort. And you are right, your estrogen is completely fine, don't mess with it ,see my above post, some other posters might be confused because your test was administered in very odd units. Good luck!

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

It takes about 6-12months for sperm production to be back as the sperm you ejaculate now is 3 months old.

rephrase, for the sperm that comes out of you know to be the repaired sperm from PCT, the sperm we ejaculate now is 3 months old and it could take a few months to be 100% fertile again.

 

[vinylpusher1]

rephrase, for the sperm that comes out of you know to be the repaired sperm from PCT, the sperm we ejaculate now is 3 months old and it could take a few months to be 100% fertile again.

Well it was March i last took PCT but a YEAR ago i did epistane

 

[vinylpusher1]

Oh, didn't realize you were trying to be a father, that makes FSH a lot more important than I previously stated. I suspect the libido issue is probably in your head, not being able to get some one pregnant is not. I would keep trying for a while, and if you still don't have any success see an endocrinologist or a fertility specialist together.

Mucuna pruriens is usually good for prolactin, trying adding in high dose B6, if that doesn't work there are pharma options, but they are kind of a last resort. And you are right, your estrogen is completely fine, don't mess with it ,see my above post, some other posters might be confused because your test was administered in very odd units. Good luck!

Yeah well my Mrs was on the pill for about 7 years so it could also be this is not helping, so it maybe her and not me, or a mix.

Shes now gone back on the pill whilst we have plans at the moment anyway so i havent got to worry for a while. But yeah im thinking of going back to the doctor about the FSH or just getting a sperm test done to find out.

Do you reckon online sperm tests you order or buy are reliable?

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

Yeah well my Mrs was on the pill for about 7 years so it could also be this is not helping, so it maybe her and not me, or a mix.

Shes now gone back on the pill whilst we have plans at the moment anyway so i havent got to worry for a while. But yeah im thinking of going back to the doctor about the FSH or just getting a sperm test done to find out.

Do you reckon online sperm tests you order or buy are reliable?

HUMOG/HMG will fix that fsh in 2-3weeks the chances of having a kid now are 10x higher than they use to be with all of these fertility drugs.

 

[vinylpusher1]

So as my levels arnt overly bad, i havent ****ed my HPTA have i? All i read is about people going on TRT and trying to restart their HPTA.

So do we think the high prolactin could be a factor in all of this then? Could this be affecting my FSH?

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

So as my levels arnt overly bad, i havent ****ed my HPTA have i? All i read is about people going on TRT and trying to restart their HPTA.

So do we think the high prolactin could be a factor in all of this then? Could this be affecting my FSH?

You're fine many guys have it way worse, your LH is high. So that's good worse comes to worse you can go to a doc get some HMG and be fine.

 

[M.I.D]

FYI my bloods are below and my doc is not worried..

Test -12.3 up from 8.7 after cycle - I am 27
Prolactin -315 - I decided to take caber for this as it is about as high as the limit
LH - 4.6
FSH - 5.4
TSH - 1.3

Not sure on E tho

 

[M.I.D]

https://www.nebido.com/tools/index.php/en/default/index/conversion-tool

 

[bruno.camilo]

Bro do another PCT

clomid 50 50 50 50 25 25

Arimidex 2mg per week: one mg on Monday one mg on Thursday

And thats it ! Ull be fine as new

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

Bro do another PCT

clomid 50 50 50 50 25 25

Arimidex 2mg per week: one mg on Monday one mg on Thursday

And thats it ! Ull be fine as new

seconded.

 

[M.I.D]

Bro do another PCT

clomid 50 50 50 50 25 25

Arimidex 2mg per week: one mg on Monday one mg on Thursday

And thats it ! Ull be fine as new

He has already run 2.

You would want aromasin as it is far better at increasing test as well

 

[bruno.camilo]

Aromasin is too dangerous... he may end up with a gyno when he stops.

Thats just my 2 cents

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

Aromasin is too dangerous... he may end up with a gyno when he stops.

Thats just my 2 cents

aromasin is a suicidal AI.... no chance of rebound gyno.. Arimidex is the one that causes rebound gyno.

 

[fueledpassion]

Aromasin is too dangerous... he may end up with a gyno when he stops.

Thats just my 2 cents

Perhaps confusing Aromasin and Arimidex, buddy. Aromasin is a steroidal inhibitor that permanently binds to the aromatase. It does just the opposite in fact - no rebound.

 

[vinylpusher1]

FYI my bloods are below and my doc is not worried..

Test -12.3 up from 8.7 after cycle - I am 27
Prolactin -315 - I decided to take caber for this as it is about as high as the limit
LH - 4.6
FSH - 5.4
TSH - 1.3

Not sure on E tho

Wow you FSH is over double mine!!.

Whats the conversion tool for?

 

[uprightrows]

I wouldn't take any AIs, your estro is fine, I would even be reluctant to do another pct. Your numbers really aren't that bad except your FSH is border line, if you're not trying to have a kid now just give your body time, stop putting any exogenous hormones in it. Relax, stop worrying, go plow your wife and when you are ready to try to have kids maybe see an endo if you still aren't feeling right.

 

[fueledpassion]

FSH and LH are usually going to be on the low end with T levels in normal to high ranges. This is ideal. Those hormones ebb and flow throughout the day so they aren't low 100% of the time.

It's when they are low and also have low T or when they are high and you still have low T is when there is a problem as I mentioned earlier.

 

[vinylpusher1]

Ok guys thanks for reasurring me and looking at them. Its annoying having to take a small bit of viagra everytime we want to have sex but im just glad whats inside isnt as bad as i thought.

Apart from not having very strong erections i feel fine in every other way. I think part of that is still at the back of my mind from when it flopped on me a few times during PCT bow i just panick when it comes to it.

I may just take something to try and lower my prolactin which is just supplements. Hopefully that might help a bit with the erection side from what ive read

 

[NoAddedHmones]

Soo much potato docs in this thread. OP you are fine, if you have concerns see a doc (which you really have no reason to based on those numbers)

 

[vinylpusher1]

Soo much potato docs in this thread. OP you are fine, if you have concerns see a doc (which you really have no reason to based on those numbers)

This is why i cant understand that im still having erection issues and libido. do you think its worth trying to bring my prolactin down?

 

[2kvette]

Yeah i thought my FSH was low. LH seems to be in line with others that i have seen around the net and prolactin looks high to me.

I was last on PCT in March 2016. Did Nolva and Clomid.

Prolactin,prolactin,prolactin,prolactin,prolacting. Once you lower that your LH and FSH will come up, prolactin is an antagonist to these two.

 

[vinylpusher1]

Prolactin,prolactin,prolactin,prolactin,prolacting. Once you lower that your LH and FSH will come up, prolactin is an antagonist to these two.

Any good way to do this? Ive looked at P5P B6 which is supposed to be good between 50 - 100 per day. Im hoping if i lower prolactin eveything else will level out

 

[M.I.D]

Wow you FSH is over double mine!!.

Whats the conversion tool for?

That will just show you your test is normal

 

[M.I.D]

This is why i cant understand that im still having erection issues and libido. do you think its worth trying to bring my prolactin down?

Take some caber and viron.

 

[M.I.D]

Soo much potato docs in this thread. OP you are fine, if you have concerns see a doc (which you really have no reason to based on those numbers)

I happen to agree that the results are nothing to worry about bar prolactin is high

 

[uprightrows]

Take some caber and viron.

DO NOT take caber, your prolactin is no where near high enough to warrant that and you aren't on gear anymore so there is no need for a prescription strength dopamine agonist. Stick to OTC stuff for the prolactin, keep taking the mucuna pruriens and adding 5p5 and B6 is okay. Your numbers really aren't bad, its probably mostly in your head, just relax take a deep breath and give it time. If you really need it keep taking viagra or cialis

 

[M.I.D]

DO NOT take caber, your prolactin is no where near high enough to warrant that and you aren't on gear anymore so there is no need for a prescription strength dopamine agonist. Stick to OTC stuff for the prolactin, keep taking the mucuna pruriens and adding 5p5 and B6 is okay. Your numbers really aren't bad, its probably mostly in your head, just relax take a deep breath and give it time. If you really need it keep taking viagra or cialis

Prolactin is very high IMO. Top end of scale...
Caber worked wonders for a few weeks with me for my prolactin

 

[vinylpusher1]

Well most ranges ive looked at it is top end and average for my age is around half of what it is. Ive heard good things about caber and that it works quickly as very potent. But also i dont wanna go the other way and end up with too low prolactin

I know its not all in my head, i never have morning wood, random erections, nothing enless i try to get one, then it will go up but i lose interest very quickly. I have to take viagra everytime its not really a choice, its only a fraction of a pill but it seems to be what keeps me up.

I might try B6, Zinc and macuna - but how longs this going to take to start to bring it down? and to what extent?