Cutting 1/4 Andro use short

[Willtolift]

I have only been on for 4 days taking 330/330mgs of 1 & 4 andro. I have noticed my libido is down(along with my function seeming less than desirable), I feel like my chest is growing in a non desirable way, I woke up with a pounding headache, and my blood pressure is significantly elevated. So I scheduled an appointment with my primary care and also a doctor that specializes in trt/hpta restart, etc... Obviously and ai/ anti estrogen will be needed... Opinions, should I start my PCT SERM or wait the two days to see the doctor and get something pharma grade?

 

[drummy]

Bro are you sure it's the andros causing these effects? 4 days is a very short time

 

[Willtolift]

Bro are you sure it's the andros causing these effects? 4 days is a very short time

Well man, I am not taking anything besides them and I checked my blood pressure the day prior to starting it was excellent. Now the only time it has been close to normal has been just prior to taking another dose of the 1&4 ... However I have two Drs appointments Friday so I can eliminate any possible factors.

 

[Willtolift]

In addition, I have a two month old baby... My junk was working excellently up until about one or two days ago... I thought I noticed a difference two days ago but brushed it off... Today... Lol well let's just say I am not too happy. Obviously I knew the possible side affects using AAS or PH, I had my junk not function very well briefly after getting off of testosterone when I was young and dumb. But this was rather surprising... I only took the 4-Andro in addition to the 1 because I had heard of lethargy and needed a test base. Only thing I can figure is my body is converting more of the 4 into estrogen than testosterone or something...

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

If you're not using a cycle support for liver or BP and don't have an AI on hand then wtf do you expect?

 

[Willtolift]

If you're not using a cycle support for liver or BP and don't have an AI on hand then wtf do you expect?

Where did I say I don't have AI on hand? I was going to use something pharma grade instead of OTC AI. I didn't have estrogen sides and never needed AI when running Testosterone Cypionate. I am using Milk Thistle and have potassium nitrate. I have OL Arimistane on hand... I didn't go into this unprepared. My main question is after four days should I run PCT if I discontinue use...

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

Where did I say I don't have AI on hand? I was going to use something pharma grade instead of OTC AI. I didn't have estrogen sides and never needed AI when running Testosterone Cypionate. I am using Milk Thistle and have potassium nitrate. I have OL Arimistane on hand... I didn't go into this unprepared. My main question is after four days should I run PCT if I discontinue use...

Sorry for blunt reply, you didn't lay out a cycle support ect, so i thought you just jumped into the cycle. Glad you came prepared. Now onto the problem at hand, it could be prolactin, arimistane has been shown to increase prolactin and do nothing for estrogen, i and many others dislike it and many blood reports say the only thing its good for is cortisol and even then, no one wants a raise in prolactin...

 

[Willtolift]

Sorry for blunt reply, you didn't lay out a cycle support ect, so i thought you just jumped into the cycle. Glad you came prepared. Now onto the problem at hand, it could be prolactin, arimistane has been shown to increase prolactin and do nothing for estrogen, i and many others dislike it and many blood reports say the only thing its good for is cortisol and even then, no one wants a raise in prolactin...

Lol yeah, I don't plan on breast feeding. You think I should run Clomid/Nolvadex after only 4 days ?

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

Well first off, i recommend grabbing a real BP support to cover all cardiovascular angles my friend.. I have 5 blood works with Talos v2 on cycle vs 4 without it on cycle, always makes a HUGE difference, only cycle support focused all around the heart and that has made such a big impact on my numbers, i honestly would drop doses to 220 for both drop the arimistane entirely, grab an OTC like inhibit E it;s actually insanely strong for being otc. Get your check ups make sure everythings okay. I would just drop doses and drop arimistane entirely grab a real E support and real cardiovascular support, your call to stop though i don't know how you feel, this is just how i'd react.

 

[Willtolift]

This is really crazy I can't believe that I didn't need to use Anti- on 400mgs of test years ago, but I am needing it with this stuff after four days. Goes to show that 1-Andro and 4-Andro shouldn't be taken lightly.

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

This is really crazy I can't believe that I didn't need to use Anti- on 400mgs of test years ago, but I am needing it with this stuff after four days. Goes to show that 1-Andro and 4-Andro shouldn't be taken lightly.

I'm willing to bet you're like most of us whose bodies don't like arimistane..

 

[Willtolift]

I'm willing to bet you're like most of us whose bodies don't like arimistane..

Arimistane great for building pecs!!!



















*breasts

 

[Roman4129]

Give a update on the Doctor appointment if it relates to the andro if you don't mind, very interested

 

[Willtolift]

Yeah, I will for sure.

 

[pogue]

This is really crazy I can't believe that I didn't need to use Anti- on 400mgs of test years ago, but I am needing it with this stuff after four days. Goes to show that 1-Andro and 4-Andro shouldn't be taken lightly.

I had a very similar experience on 1andro, and had to stop because my blood pressure and pulse rate were through the roof. It also absolutely killed my libido. Further, I don't recommend 4andro as it converts primarily to estrogen as I've detailed in this post here: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/281334-critique-my-cycle.html?highlight=4dhea

 

[Willtolift]

Yeah I could absolutely tell the conversion was primarily estrogen. My face is still puffy as heck... Diet is extremely clean and sodium is low. I have been taking several OTC herbal diuretics in small doses since last night and some potassium nitrate
to help lower my bp. I am picking up some celery + asparagus after work and gonna make a disgusting smoothie to push more water out and lower my bp with the celery. Tomorrow I see my primary care and go to a clinic that specializes in trt,hpta restart,etc...

 

[Willtolift]

I'll post my blood work after this fiasco and see where I am at.

 

[Willtolift]

Two doctors visits today, one to my primary care who is sending me for blood work and the other to a hormone therapy specialist. Going for two sets of blood work.

 

[Vikingbro]

Subbed for info. I hope it works out well for you

 

[Volvo140G]

Any updates?

Fwiw, no need to pct after only 4 days of these products.

 

[Bestia956]

I have only been on for 4 days taking 330/330mgs of 1 & 4 andro. I have noticed my libido is down(along with my function seeming less than desirable), I feel like my chest is growing in a non desirable way, I woke up with a pounding headache, and my blood pressure is significantly elevated. So I scheduled an appointment with my primary care and also a doctor that specializes in trt/hpta restart, etc... Obviously and ai/ anti estrogen will be needed... Opinions, should I start my PCT SERM or wait the two days to see the doctor and get something pharma grade?

Hey im about to start 1-4 andro
So you already getting gyno on 4 days ?

 

[Willtolift]

Hey im about to start 1-4 andro
So you already getting gyno on 4 days ?

If I was to use it again I would use a pharma grade AI and or Anti-E... I don't think I have full blown gyno however I was swelling up very quickly and retaining water like crazy. My blood pressure was finally normal today. I was getting typical estrogen related sides quickly, severe water retention(puffy face and chest, high blood pressure, and severe head aches. I have a follow up to go over blood work on Thursday morning.

 

[Bestia956]

If I was to use it again I would use a pharma grade AI and or Anti-E... I don't think I have full blown gyno however I was swelling up very quickly and retaining water like crazy. My blood pressure was finally normal today. I was getting typical estrogen related sides quickly, severe water retention(puffy face and chest, high blood pressure, and severe head aches. I have a follow up to go over blood work on Thursday morning.

How many caps you were taking?

 

[Willtolift]

Three of each.

 

[Bestia956]

Three of each.

Well im going to use only
2 caps 1 andro
And just 1 cap 4 andro
Cycle support 3 caps daily
Its my first cycle and i wanna see how my body reacts to the compound hopefully i wont get puffy

 

[Willtolift]

Well im going to use only
2 caps 1 andro
And just 1 cap 4 andro
Cycle support 3 caps daily
Its my first cycle and i wanna see how my body reacts to the compound hopefully i wont get puffy

Best of luck, I am not going to run any compounds that require "conversion" again.

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

Best of luck, I am not going to run any compounds that require "conversion" again.

SARMS ALL THE WAY!

 

[Bestia956]

Best of luck, I am not going to run any compounds that require "conversion" again.

But how are you are u still puffy from your face o chest how u feel?

 

[Willtolift]

I feel okay, I get to see ones set of blood results tomorrow morning. I'm not puffy anymore or bloated, my blood pressure was finally down to close to my normal yesterday. 120/64

 

[Bestia956]

I feel okay, I get to see ones set of blood results tomorrow morning. I'm not puffy anymore or bloated, my blood pressure was finally down to close to my normal yesterday. 120/64

Nice to hear that plz keep me update

 

[Bestia956]

I feel okay, I get to see ones set of blood results tomorrow morning. I'm not puffy anymore or bloated, my blood pressure was finally down to close to my normal yesterday. 120/64

Hey bro any updates?

 

[Willtolift]

Well, my testosterone is low. But that's probably not attributed to four days of 1 & 4 Andro. My doctor will be treating me accordingly.

 

[Bestia956]

Well, my testosterone is low. But that's probably not attributed to four days of 1 & 4 Andro. My doctor will be treating me accordingly.

So 1-4 andro didn't cause the sides ?

 

[Willtolift]

Considering the half life of the andros is very short you'd probably have to get blood work before, during, and after to prove that. However my blood pressure was fine the day prior to starting, then two days after beginning it had skyrocketed, then a couple weeks after discontinuing use it subsided. I'll tell you this, I wish I had not tried so many test boosters and other "legal" routes. I believe most are a waste of money. Going to a Dr is legal too and if you find the right one you won't be using compounds with little to no research behind them.

 

[Bestia956]

Considering the half life of the andros is very short you'd probably have to get blood work before, during, and after to prove that. However my blood pressure was fine the day prior to starting, then two days after beginning it had skyrocketed, then a couple weeks after discontinuing use it subsided. I'll tell you this, I wish I had not tried so many test boosters and other "legal" routes. I believe most are a waste of money. Going to a Dr is legal too and if you find the right one you won't be using compounds with little to no research behind them.

Well already got my package wit 1-4 andro cycle support etc
Now im thinking about taking them or no

 

[Willtolift]

They may very well work for you, everyone is different and their are logs from people who enjoyed apparent benefits.

 

[Bestia956]

They may very well work for you, everyone is different and their are logs from people who enjoyed apparent benefits.

I will try i hope no to get puffy in 4 days
Ill be taking only 2 of each you were taking
3 of each right?

 

[Willtolift]

Yes sir 330mgs each daily.