Andro1 and andro4 or trest/epi

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Depends on your goals. Assuming you're talking about epistane, I'm on my first cycle of it and I haven't experienced a whole lot in terms of negative sides, and it's well known to be relatively safe in moderate doses.

Trestolone however I would not reccomend whatsoever for a first time user. Get some experience under your belt first.

1andro and 4 andro seem to be very safe options but I feel like comparing the two to epistane is like apples and oranges.

Bulking up I'd go: 1/4/epiandro
Cutting: epistane (that's what I'm running for contest prep)

Also make sure for the love of god you have the correct pct lined up and necessary on cycle supports!
 
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Epistane was my first cycle, gained 18.5lbs in 4 weeks, the joints got pretty bad on it as did the back pumps, but overall was very low in side effects...Look into triumphalis as well
 

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Could you send me exactly what you took? I'm new to this so I'm trying to figure our everything.
 
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Rpn havoc 20/30/30/40 with Organ Shield as cycle support, Sup3r Pct 10/10/10/10 and Nolva 20/20/10/10 for post cycle...Was a pretty basic cycle
 

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Do you remember about how much you spent? I have cycle aid but i don't think it's as strong as organ shield.
 
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Do you remember about how much you spent? I have cycle aid but i don't think it's as strong as organ shield.
Total was about $150-$175 if I remember correctly...
 

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Okay what I'm seeing is the rpn havoc has 90 pills and it's $30-35 and sup3r pct about the same price. I think I can get nolva for $30 also. And I'll also get organ shield
 
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Okay what I'm seeing is the rpn havoc has 90 pills and it's $30-35 and sup3r pct about the same price. I think I can get nolva for $30 also. And I'll also get organ shield
I would look into Lgi Damage Control instead of Organ Shield tbh, I ran Organ Shield because I wasn't as knowledgable...Damage Control has the addition of tudca, which will insure your liver safety while one a simple methylated cycle such as Epistane
 
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If you have to worry about affording your cycle then how are you going to afford the amount of food your going to need to build the muscle you want.
 

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That's why I have to have a budget for my cycle. I already have a budget for my food and regular supplements
 

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Definitely do some research before you run an active steroid like epistane. Stick with the dhea for your first cycle
 
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Not sure who your responding to, you were the only 1asking about the cycle
 

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What? I know I was just saying I budgeted for my food, supplements, and pro hormones
 
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Nothing wrong with epi for first cycle, its actually pretty common
 

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