3rd week in epistane, low sides but no gains...please help!!

[chrys]

Hello forum,

The title says everything. I started my first PH cycle with Epistane, after reading many posts and logs on the efficiency of this product and its advantage of being a good PH for beginners.
I am in the middle of my third week, but I am very disappointed from the results so far. Not any noticeable gains, I have more like a pumped feeling, but hey that was what I got using non-hormonal substances like epicatechin I tried two months ago.

Cycle:

• OL Ep1stane 30/30/30 so far
• CEL Cycle assist
• BPS Dermacrine (test-base) 3 pumps
• 5 gr taurine
• Glucosamin-Chondroitin plus omega fish oil capsules (joint support)

Sides:

• Second week I had very bad sleep. Maybe some high BP, red face and chest pain in some days. Literally, when I was on the bed and I was feeling my heart ready to fly! But maybe that was because I was also taking a pre-workout quite late in the evening (I train evenings) which contained caffeine. Things became much better when I stopped it.
• Acne: Not something noticeable, just a pimple on my back which disappeared after a while
• Dry joints: No
• Back pumps: No

So NO sides but NO noticeable gains (either muscle or body fat loss). What can be wrong?

• Is it too early to see gains? Should I wait one more week? Should I increase the dosage to 45mg?
• Is it a legit product the one I am using or just a flour? Can someone from OL help me? I bought it from a European site, which seems legit to me. But you guys in OL do you still manufacture/ship Ep1stane?
• Could it be my carb cycling diet? I am targeting for a recomp, I am quite lean but I still have fat in the lower abs area and a bit of love hands. So my diet is approx 2200 kcal on training days (4 out 7) and 1800 kcal on non training days (3 out of 7). Should then I increase the calories to get more benefits from taking Ep1stane and see some nice muscle gains as well?

Please guys give me some hints!! I am disappointed and do not know what to do!!
Thanks and please let me know if you need more input!

 

[Jebrook]

Epistane can take a while to get rolling on the gains. This is the main reason that 6 weeks is usually the minimum recommended cycle length. Some people can get solid results from 30 mg daily but 45 mg is generally the preferred dosage for most users. I'm not an OL rep but I trust that brand a lot, especially their ph's. And they do still produce and sell overseas so you are almost guaranteed to have legit product. I would increase your dose to 45 mg and give it at least 6 weeks. Also make sure you're eating enough to gain mass.

 

[chrys]

Thanks man! I am not questioning the OL as such, just to be clear. Of course, you can have the case of a fake product that abuse the OL stamp. So I wanted to ask any OL representative if there are any security/legitimacy check points you can look for on the bottle.

I am also targeting 6 weeks as you said. I am concerned though, cause many people see Ep1stane to kick in the 3rd week. So this is why I am alerted. Maybe I should consider to increase my calories also.

 

[Jebrook]

Thanks man! I am not questioning the OL as such, just to be clear. Of course, you can have the case of a fake product that abuse the OL stamp. So I wanted to ask any OL representative if there are any security/legitimacy check points you can look for on the bottle.

I am also targeting 6 weeks as you said. I am concerned though, cause many people see Ep1stane to kick in the 3rd week. So this is why I am alerted. Maybe I should consider to increase my calories also.

You should be starting to feel it already in most cases. But your dose is low. I'd up it immediately and make sure you're eating a 3-500 calories surplus each day if looking to gain mass. NewAgeMayan is an OL rep that can help you figure out if you purchased from a legit retailer. Cheers

 

[bannosantoro]

Without trying to put a downer on it.....I tried Epistane a few years ago and got virtually nothing from it. Maybe that was because I had done multiple injectable cycles previously? Maybe after that the Epi just wasn't strong enough for me? In your case, I would up the dose to 45mg and see it out for 6 weeks. Epi us often used to cut/recomp so a calorie surplus wouldnt really benefit you, as you are trying to lose a little. You could try some high volume trying like German Volume Training to take advantage of the extra anabolism and recovery ability you should have. This should get you bigger/leaner or at least maintain muscle whilst burning fat.

 

[wicked442]

I was never impressed with epi. I tried 3 different reputable brands and no significant results. I see others have great results, so keep at it.

 

[chrys]

Thanks guys for the input! I might have to wait a bit longer and increase the dosage after the third week is over. I will keep posted in case of any changes. When it comes to diet I will increase slightly the calories but still keep the carb cycling. I check about the german volume as well.

 

[T-Bone]

I recently tried EPI also. Definitely not my first rodeo and I was severely disappointed. It just doesn't really do much at all. A little bit of extra pump and some dry joints.

 

[chrys]

Ok. Do you have any log? Or for how long did you run the circle?

 

[Demgainz]

OP, if you have legit epi, you should see results. Jebrook is on the money with his recommendations. There are plenty of epi logs and there are some logs with epi/tren and epi/trest which seems to be a preferred combo of choice from what I am seeing lately simply because it is anti estrogenic. From the third week on you should be seeing some sort of strength increases especially if you are new to the prohormone/DS world. There are even logs of people using injectables with epi because they liked the compound so much. If you have legit epi, be patient.

 

[BamBam0319]

You're two and a half weeks in, prohormones don't get rolling until 3-4 weeks in. Keep pushing

 

[hamdysayed]

It seems that epistane is a hit or miss for some.
I was at 48 mg and I blew up, i think there is some ppl don't respond to it.
went from 195 to 218 and it was my first cycle ever! Ran 4dhea with it

 

[BamBam0319]

First cycle ever, makes sense that you blew up like that. Most people's first cycles are their best ever hamdysayed

 

[NewAgeMayan]

You should be starting to feel it already in most cases. But your dose is low. I'd up it immediately and make sure you're eating a 3-500 calories surplus each day if looking to gain mass. NewAgeMayan is an OL rep that can help you figure out if you purchased from a legit retailer. Cheers

Thanks man. Have sent op pm, so hopefully we can at least establish if his purchase is authentic and rule the bogus factor out.

 

[chrys]

Guys thank you very much for your input. Maybe I have to give some extra time to see how it goes or I might even have to increase the dosage. I have two more days until week 3 is finished, so I am thinking to keep the dosage as it is and then increase it to 45 mg for weeks 4, 5 and 6.

I am a bit confused about the diet though. I am doing a carb cycling in order to shred some stubborn fat on my low abs area. So in the training days, I consume around 2200 kcal and non training days I am around 1800 kcal with approximately 80 grams of carbs. I train 4 times per week. Stats: 179 cm, 75 kg, 13-14% BF. So should I keep the diet as it is in order to achieve a recomp or should I increase the calories to benefit more from using eipstane and have bigger muscle gains but maybe at the cost of getting some fat? Any ideas or experiences are welcome!

 

[carbs]

Judging by your stats ( 5'10 @ 165lbs) you need to eat and eat ... And eat. Epi will help put size on don't worry about the far right now. If I were you I'd eat big lift hard and keep cardio in to make some progress.

 

[chrys]

Guys I wanted to give you an update!

I followed your advices, which were:

1. Wait wait wait, until weeks 4-5
2. Increase to 45 mg. So the cycle so far is 30/30/30/45/45. I am about to finish week 5.
3. Increase calories, so now I am up to 2200 kcal all the days plus two cheat nasty meals per week

I have to say that epistane indeed kicked in after increasing the dosage. I am approaching the end of the fifth week and I see gains in strength. I have a much more pumped look and some veins visible when training. Somehow, I do not feel tired in the gym and can hit larger weights. For example, last week I hit my first 100 kg squat!!!

I have gained almost 3 kgs since the start of the cycle, even though I was doing a carb cycling diet protocol. I cannot say how much of that is muscle though. I have an electrical scale that measures body fat and it showed some drop in body fat but that is not visible at least.

I also feel my stomach a bit bloated. Can that be water retention? Is there any way to get rid of that? It is quite annoying cause my belly looks big all the time.

Other sides, I also got a few back pumps. My mistake cause I forgot to take taurine a couple of days and immediately it hit me. But after using taurine, it feels much better now!

So I have ten more days and I will try to hit and enjoy the gym as much as possible!!

Thanks guys for all the support!!

 

[Jebrook]

Guys I wanted to give you an update!

I followed your advices, which were:

1. Wait wait wait, until weeks 4-5
2. Increase to 45 mg. So the cycle so far is 30/30/30/45/45. I am about to finish week 5.
3. Increase calories, so now I am up to 2200 kcal all the days plus two cheat nasty meals per week

I have to say that epistane indeed kicked in after increasing the dosage. I am approaching the end of the fifth week and I see gains in strength. I have a much more pumped look and some veins visible when training. Somehow, I do not feel tired in the gym and can hit larger weights. For example, last week I hit my first 100 kg squat!!!

I have gained almost 3 kgs since the start of the cycle, even though I was doing a carb cycling diet protocol. I cannot say how much of that is muscle though. I have an electrical scale that measures body fat and it showed some drop in body fat but that is not visible at least.

I also feel my stomach a bit bloated. Can that be water retention? Is there any way to get rid of that? It is quite annoying cause my belly looks big all the time.

Other sides, I also got a few back pumps. My mistake cause I forgot to take taurine a couple of days and immediately it hit me. But after using taurine, it feels much better now!

So I have ten more days and I will try to hit and enjoy the gym as much as possible!!

Thanks guys for all the support!!

Good to hear bud!

 

[gator67]

Sounds like you're accomplishing exactly what you were looking for. At 2200 calories, there's no way you could be packing on much mass so up roughly 7 lbs so far is pretty damn good. Sounds like performance in the gym has improved, and you say you have some reduced bodyfat as well..... Win, win, win. For the compound you're running and the amount of calories you're consuming, that's very impressive. You're not going to gain 50 lbs of mass in six weeks no matter the compound. You're trying to stack these mini cycles together successfully and you will achieve your goals and stay healthy doing it.

 

[carbs]

Good job man! If you're feeling good and have some cycle protection you could add an additional week or so @45 since you were so low doses at the start. Make those gains!

 

[chrys]

Thanks Jebrook, gator67!

My target was not to gain a lot of weight, so that is why I was conservative to the calories intake. As gator67 said, I am more looking into smaller steps and try to have a good definition all year round. So it is perfectly fine the weight gain of 3 kg, even though some days I was low on carbs. Now I would like to push that a bit more during the last 10 days. But let's wait to do the math after the pct

Any comments on the stomach bloating?

 

[chrys]

Thanks carbs, I am considering this too. Even though it is the first cycle, so maybe I should stick to the rule of 6 weeks and use this experience when designing the next cycle

 

[NewAgeMayan]

Glad to see you found our product legit

 

[anab0lix]

To this day I don't see how epi doesn't work for some some.
It's active and not even a PH.

Maybe most of the epi I took were half converted to phera or something IDK. I really always did feel like god on it so it really is a big possibility good amount of of it converts to phera.:twisted:

 

[BamBam0319]

To this day I don't see how epi doesn't work for some some.
It's active and not even a PH.

Maybe most of the epi I took were half converted to phera or something IDK. I really always did feel like god on it so it really is a big possibility good amount of of it converts to phera.:twisted:

When it "doesn't work" they probably just aren't eating or training right.

 

[T-Bone]

When it "doesn't work" they probably just aren't eating or training right.

Doubt that. Some people just don't respond to weak ass compounds.

 

[tyga tyga]

Doubt that. Some people just don't respond to weak ass compounds.

Wouldn't consider epistane a "weak" compound

A:A 1100:91

M1T
910-1600:100-200

Edited

 

[henryv]

Wouldn't consider epistane a "weak" compound

A:A 1100:91

M1T
910-1600:100-200

^^from Henryv

Those figures aren't from me, they're from the labs of Searle, via Julius Vida's book. Searle seemingly had a tendency to overstate the anabolic properties of some of the steroids they tested. Compare the anabolic potencies reported for Searle-tested compounds like epistane (1100), anavar (630), phera (1200), and methylstenbolone (660) to the figures reported by Syntex for compounds like anadrol (320), superdrol (400), and phera (437).

 

[drogan]

most of the people who use epi on the boards I'm active on use it at 60-90mg for 6 weeks and absolutely love it at that dose. I personally have never used epi, but at that dose from what ive heard, it blows anavar out of the water.

 

[hamdysayed]

most of the people who use epi on the boards I'm active on use it at 60-90mg for 6 weeks and absolutely love it at that dose. I personally have never used epi, but at that dose from what ive heard, it blows anavar out of the water.

90 mg wtf, what u using for cycle support? Bp liver etc.

 

[drogan]

90 mg wtf, what u using for cycle support? Bp liver etc.

tudca for liver support, bp is usually telmisiteran, cialis and donating blood. Heart support coq 10 fish oil, the usual supps. Its really not that uncommon to use those doses. but this is on a hardcore board with people using a gram of tren for months on end.

 

[hamdysayed]

tudca for liver support, bp is usually telmisiteran, cialis and donating blood. Heart support coq 10 fish oil, the usual supps. Its really not that uncommon to use those doses. but this is on a hardcore board with people using a gram of tren for months on end.

Damn hard core for real.....

 

[tyga tyga]

Those figures aren't from me, they're from the labs of Searle, via Julius Vida's book. Searle seemingly had a tendency to overstate the anabolic properties of some of the steroids they tested. Compare the anabolic potencies reported for Searle-tested compounds like epistane (1100), anavar (630), phera (1200), and methylstenbolone (660) to the figures reported by Syntex for compounds like anadrol (320), superdrol (400), and phera (437).

I stand corrected.

 

[Driven2lift]

The ever fun topic of epi non-responders, lol.

I've settled into the camp of "if you legitimately feel/get nothing from your epi dosed at 40-50+ the most likely scenario is a bunk product."

I wouldn't worry 3 weeks in though

 

[chrys]

Hello guys!

Brief update. It has been a messy week with a lot of work, but still did not miss any work out!! Gym was priority one, you do not want to miss the fun while on epistane

This week has gone also great. Very good mood, I look very pumped and feel stronger. I just want to stay in the gym the whole day...Simply love it!!

The last week I gained an extra half kg. I was expecting slightly higher gain cause I got a lot of food this week, somehow I broke my cut-lean diet. But this week, I want to clean up the diet again. No low calorie days but still clean food!

On the sides effect, I do not have to mention something. The stomach bloating I had last week has gone away (not completely), but I feel a bit leaner.

Almost two more days until the cycle ends...that is the sad side, right? I still have a few pills left over, that could last for almost a week at this dosage. My question is should I extend the cycle for half or one more week? Any thoughts on that?

Thanks for all the support so far!!

 

[Dma378]

If you're feeling good, just finish the bottle.

 

[chrys]

Hello guys!

I am currently in the end of the third week of PCT and I need your help!!!
Feeling during Epistane was great but now in PCT the mood is down
I am experiencing HBP and I have completely lost my libido!

I had a blood work three days ago (2nd week in PCT) and testosterone is very low. Epistane seems to have shut down completely the testo production, which of course is expected.
So here are the numbers:

Before Epistane cycle
Test total: 6.9 ng/mL
Testo free: 17 pg/mL
E2: 27 pg/mL

After Epistane cycle (2nd week in PCT)
Test total: 0.2 ng/mL
Testo free: 1.1 pg/mL
E2: 22 pg/mL

PCT:

• Nolva 20/20/10/10
• OL Super Pct 10/10/10/10/ Should I extend that?
• Aromasin 0/0/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5 every other day

I have the following questions:

1. After the last week on Epistane I started having high blood pressure problems. I have higher heart rate and sometimes my face turns red. This does not happen every day but it is quite frequent though! Is there any way to control that? Should I take some tudca? I was reading somewhere that it helps with the HBP.
2. Is it normal to have such low testo values even in the middle of the PCT?
3. Libido is completely lost and this sucks! Should I add any testo booster? I have Alpha Max. Should I add it to the PCT to recover faster?
4. How long time does it take to have normal testo production again?

Any help is very much appreciated! This is my first experience with any PH so I am still learning.

 

[bannosantoro]

Hello guys!

I am currently in the end of the third week of PCT and I need your help!!!
Feeling during Epistane was great but now in PCT the mood is down
I am experiencing HBP and I have completely lost my libido!

I had a blood work three days ago (2nd week in PCT) and testosterone is very low. Epistane seems to have shut down completely the testo production, which of course is expected.
So here are the numbers:

Before Epistane cycle
Test total: 6.9 ng/mL
Testo free: 17 pg/mL
E2: 27 pg/mL

After Epistane cycle (2nd week in PCT)
Test total: 0.2 ng/mL
Testo free: 1.1 pg/mL
E2: 22 pg/mL

PCT:

• Nolva 20/20/10/10
• OL Super Pct 10/10/10/10/ Should I extend that?
• Aromasin 0/0/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5 every other day

I have the following questions:

1. After the last week on Epistane I started having high blood pressure problems. I have higher heart rate and sometimes my face turns red. This does not happen every day but it is quite frequent though! Is there any way to control that? Should I take some tudca? I was reading somewhere that it helps with the HBP.
2. Is it normal to have such low testo values even in the middle of the PCT?
3. Libido is completely lost and this sucks! Should I add any testo booster? I have Alpha Max. Should I add it to the PCT to recover faster?
4. How long time does it take to have normal testo production again?

Any help is very much appreciated! This is my first experience with any PH so I am still learning.

I think you should have dosed your Nolva at 40/40/20/20 Your aromasin 12.5 ed. Identify know what OL super pct is so can't comment on that. Clomid would certainly help with T production. Aromasin in Pct is still quite a new idea, and there are many views on how to dose it. I think the dose should be split into 2 doses a day as it's active life is very short, only a few hours. So splitting into 2 doses in am/pm gives more stable blood levels of the drug.

Clomid is the tried and tested recovery drug. Combined with Nolva your virtually guaranteed a quick recovery. Try clomid at 50mg a day with your Nolva, that should work. Dosing clomid at 100mg is often recommended for the first week, but I get crazy visual disturbances at 100mg. I'm fine on 50mg.

I've just come off 8 weeks of test 800mg/week, 3 weeks methylsten/Trenavar kick-start and 3 week Trenavar finisher. Used most of my Nolva on cycle for gyno control so my pct has been clomid and aromasin. I'm 2 weeks in and my boys are filling nicely and my sex drive is growing too. I would throw clomid into your pct. I think that will sort you out.

For your high blood pressure, try to find a product containing celery seed and Hawthorn berry. This has worked for me in the past.

 

[chrys]

Thanks for the feedback man! Sounds that you have a nice recovery!

Unfortunately I do not have immediate access to clomid, so I have to sort out another solution. Maybe increase the dosage of nolva? For mild cycles 20/10 is the recommended dosage but I guess it depends how it affects each one.

Aromasin I have tablets of 25 mg and they are very tiny...so splitting 12.5 in two doses is not possible! Or do you mean increasing the dosage to 25 mg every other day?

I can check for hawthorn berry, that should not be difficult to find in the market

 

[Demgainz]

You are getting advice to take Hawthorne berry for bp issues. That is fine and dandy and all and it does keep blood pressure in check(for me anyway). But just be aware that it is known to spike bp during the first week or two after the initial dosing. I don't really know if taking it now will benefit you or not.

Hawthorne berry is generally advised to be preloaded a week prior to beginning your cycle and then running it through the remainder, including in pct.

This should have been all laid out prior to beginning your run. Take it as a learning lesson from now on and an experience you can put to use on future endeavors.

 

[chrys]

Thanks! For sure I will have it in mind next time. As I said that was my very first cycle so I am still learning! Is there any other short term solution?

 

[chrys]

Guys any additional input on the test recovery? Do I have to give more time to nolva to work? Or do I have to take any more action, like increase dosage or extend it for one more week. I am almost at the end of the third week of pct.

 

[Demgainz]

At this time I don't really have any short term solutions for you, I don't really know if there are any. For the headaches and high blood pressure I would generally recommend drinking plenty of water to stay hydrated, avoid high amounts of salt, caffeine, and alcohol for the time being. As per the libido issue: don't crush your estro too much with an AI because it will not come back anytime soon. The ingredient profile looks good in the OL super pct.

When switching from on cycle to pct my libido is usually shot for one to two weeks during that transition, however, everyone is different.

 

[bannosantoro]

I wouldn't panic too much just yet about your test levels. It's normal for it to take a few weeks to recover tbh. 2 weeks isn't really that long. Keep doing what your doing for another 2-3 weeks and re-asses how you feel. I've just started week 3 of PCT today, and it was only over the weekend I started feeling things starting to come back. The lack of libido is also quite normal. I've had no interest in sex the last 2 weeks! I find a good indicator is if you wake up with a boner!!

Don't worry mate, carry on with your pct and see how you are at the end. You can always extend it. You will recover

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

Okay, I suggest extending PCT to 6 weeks. If you're 2 weeks in with that T then you need to run Nolva longer. Also since its not clomid throw in many natty T boosters, its your recovery and if you want it to be a success do everything you can for it. Also many people dont know about this but theres something ive been using for high BP and it works wonders. It's called nattokinase. There's ton of research on it for blood flow and HBP works sortve like aspirin. The best part about it is it has virtually no sides and can be bought off of Amazon. Also, Alphmax is AMAZING im using it for my PCT right now and LOVE it. The 3,4 divanyl helps libido and free T. Also, nolva is known to be a libido killer for people, google it many people complain of loss of libido during pct while on nolva not clomid. So maybe if libido is a necessity and you decide to continue cycling switch to a new SERM. Also what would be great is buying Rebirth by BLR and trying to find some Test1fy Pro by olympus labs both easily accessible and cheap and completely OTC. I've had success in using both for pct(with a serm). Pct is the most important part of any cycle so dont be shy in investing in it if youre able to. Best of luck! DEFINITELY EXTEND PCT!

Also get PRL(prolactin) tested i always monitor my PRL in pct as PRL can greatly inhibit the HPTA's ability to get kicking again!

 

[hamdysayed]

Okay, I suggest extending PCT to 6 weeks. If you're 2 weeks in with that T then you need to run Nolva longer. Also since its not clomid throw in many natty T boosters, its your recovery and if you want it to be a success do everything you can for it. Also many people dont know about this but theres something ive been using for high BP and it works wonders. It's called nattokinase. There's ton of research on it for blood flow and HBP works sortve like aspirin. The best part about it is it has virtually no sides and can be bought off of Amazon. Also, Alphmax is AMAZING im using it for my PCT right now and LOVE it. The 3,4 divanyl helps libido and free T. Also, nolva is known to be a libido killer for people, google it many people complain of loss of libido during pct while on nolva not clomid. So maybe if libido is a necessity and you decide to continue cycling switch to a new SERM. Also what would be great is buying Rebirth by BLR and trying to find some Test1fy Pro by olympus labs both easily accessible and cheap and completely OTC. I've had success in using both for pct(with a serm). Pct is the most important part of any cycle so dont be shy in investing in it if youre able to. Best of luck! DEFINITELY EXTEND PCT!

Also get PRL(prolactin) tested i always monitor my PRL in pct as PRL can greatly inhibit the HPTA's ability to get kicking again!

Thank u for
nattokinase
mention I always like natural alternatives for high blood pressure.

 

[chrys]

Okay, I suggest extending PCT to 6 weeks. If you're 2 weeks in with that T then you need to run Nolva longer. Also since its not clomid throw in many natty T boosters, its your recovery and if you want it to be a success do everything you can for it. Also many people dont know about this but theres something ive been using for high BP and it works wonders. It's called nattokinase. There's ton of research on it for blood flow and HBP works sortve like aspirin. The best part about it is it has virtually no sides and can be bought off of Amazon. Also, Alphmax is AMAZING im using it for my PCT right now and LOVE it. The 3,4 divanyl helps libido and free T. Also, nolva is known to be a libido killer for people, google it many people complain of loss of libido during pct while on nolva not clomid. So maybe if libido is a necessity and you decide to continue cycling switch to a new SERM. Also what would be great is buying Rebirth by BLR and trying to find some Test1fy Pro by olympus labs both easily accessible and cheap and completely OTC. I've had success in using both for pct(with a serm). Pct is the most important part of any cycle so dont be shy in investing in it if youre able to. Best of luck! DEFINITELY EXTEND PCT!

Also get PRL(prolactin) tested i always monitor my PRL in pct as PRL can greatly inhibit the HPTA's ability to get kicking again!

Thanks for the info bro!! tons of new information!

Nattokinase is something that I have never heard before but for sure I should check it. HBP some days is driving me really mad and especially during nights I sweat a lot and have bad sleep.
I did not know also that nolva might kill the libido, very good that you mentioned that. I should keep that in mind next time! My thinking was that since it restarts testo production then libido should increase but probably I was wrong!

Test1fy Pro seems a very good OTC testo booster so I might have to include it in the PCT!

My immediate action so far is:
- Increase nolva dosage back to 20 mg. So the protocol so far was 20/20/10 and increase back to 20 for the fourth week in PCT. Is it better to split the dose in two 10mg or just take one pill of 20 mg?
- Now based on the results/feeling at the end of the fourth week, I decide if I must extend the nolva for one more week. I do not know though at what dosage, 10 or 20?
- In parallel, I have some left over from Dermacrine and AlphaMax. Should I use either or both? They will probably last for one to one and a half week. This will give me time until I get a new OTC testo booster. Which I start as soon as I finish nolva (or maybe in parallel if I extend nolva for one more week). The OL that you mentioned seems a good option! I am a bit sceptical though about arimistane in AlphaMax, do I really need it? In the sense that E2 is quite good and suppressing more the estrogens would not be good, right?
- I continue the aromasin as I wrote in a previous message

Does the above sound reasonable? Thanks again for the support!!

I am looking forward to wake up with the morning boner again

 

[YoungBodyBuil]

Thanks for the info bro!! tons of new information!

Nattokinase is something that I have never heard before but for sure I should check it. HBP some days is driving me really mad and especially during nights I sweat a lot and have bad sleep.
I did not know also that nolva might kill the libido, very good that you mentioned that. I should keep that in mind next time! My thinking was that since it restarts testo production then libido should increase but probably I was wrong!

Test1fy Pro seems a very good OTC testo booster so I might have to include it in the PCT!

My immediate action so far is:
- Increase nolva dosage back to 20 mg. So the protocol so far was 20/20/10 and increase back to 20 for the fourth week in PCT. Is it better to split the dose in two 10mg or just take one pill of 20 mg?
- Now based on the results/feeling at the end of the fourth week, I decide if I must extend the nolva for one more week. I do not know though at what dosage, 10 or 20?
- In parallel, I have some left over from Dermacrine and AlphaMax. Should I use either or both? They will probably last for one to one and a half week. This will give me time until I get a new OTC testo booster. Which I start as soon as I finish nolva (or maybe in parallel if I extend nolva for one more week). The OL that you mentioned seems a good option! I am a bit sceptical though about arimistane in AlphaMax, do I really need it? In the sense that E2 is quite good and suppressing more the estrogens would not be good, right?
- I continue the aromasin as I wrote in a previous message

Does the above sound reasonable? Thanks again for the support!!

I am looking forward to wake up with the morning boner again

Wait you're using AphaMax not AlphaMax XT? AlphaMax XT is the best formula ive seen for a T booster next to OL's Test1fy Pro.
I personally HATE arimistane it does nothing but raise my PRL. DHAA is what they use to replace it in the new formula and it works wonders i absolutely love it. Why is your nolva dosing so conservative? I wouldve went 40/40/20/20/10/10 for my PCT but i dont use Nolva/Torem because they kill libido for me. Clomid is great i just get heavy vision sides with clomid but low dose clomid kills every other SERM when it comes to T production. Nattokinase works great for me and my sister whos anemic and has blood flow issues its a life saver. Test1fy Pro sold out by OL REALLY fast because its formula is GODLY. I think no matter what run a 6 week PCT to be safe, its your body man dont risk it especially since youre already worrying about libido do everything you can to get back to the horny dog you were. Also DO NOT use Dermacrine during PCT ITS SUPPRESSIVE. It basically is TD DHEA and Pregnenolone which are all hormone precursors, and you don't want to use anything suppressive in PCT even if it's mildly suppressive. Continue aromasin itll definitely help ur T. All in all Grab a solid T booster Testruction by Evomuse is Cheap and AMAZING **** almost gave me gyno and my libido was literally taking over my thoughts, so basicaly this. Grab some Rebirth by BLR stack it with nolva. Continue the nolva to 6 weeks then use testruction and Rebirth for the 4 week dosage alotted and your pct should be great.

 

[chrys]

Thanks man, you are a live encyclopedia!!

I tried AlphaMax before my epistane cycle...as part of a natty testo booster try. But as you said, I should skip both AlphaMax and Dermacrine. Reading about the latter one seems to help libido but as you mentioned it is somewhat suppressive!

The reason I went with this dosage was that many pct protocols I read in the forum where suggesting this dosage. I continue the forth week with 20 and then I revise based on the outcome.

One thing that struck me is that the dosage of aromasin was initially designed as 0/0/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5, meaning that I must continue taking aromasin for two more weeks after nolva is finished. If I have to extend nolva, do I still extend aromasin? The idea of extending aromasin beyond nolva was to assist in preventing any gyno rebound.

I think I will go for the OL test1fy pro. I have already found it in a store that I usually buy from!

I wanted to ask you also what is the reason for stacking nolva with rebirth? I read a bit for that and it seems to be like a natural serm, is not then the same as nolva?

 

[chrys]

Sorry I forgot to mention in my previous message that I am also using OL Super PCT 10/10/10 so far!!