Amateur MMA Fighter Stack

[txoc]

Howdy yall,

I was hoping for someone to point me in the right direction. I promised myself I'd wait on anything that messed with my hormones until 25, and my birthday is coming up quickly.

First, I'm looking to stay legal. Second, I'm hoping to recomp. I've lost about 20lbs in the last 3 months and I'm sick of aggressive calorie cutting. I'm also working out 1-3 hours a day with MMA. A recomp sounds a lot nicer than trying to straight shred. So a bit of muscle and some fat loss. I'm not using this for a competitive edge, so strength gains that don't come with a marked change in physique don't concern me that much.

I've seen a lot on ostarine, but also a number of people say that it did absolutely nothing for them. I saw something similar about MK-677, that it helps with joints and recovery in addition to some recomp, but again a number of people saying that it underdelivers. 1-andro looks like a fairly safe way to put on a few pounds of muscle. Are there any that I'm missing?

I appreciate the help and the input.

edit- speeding up recovery would be pretty awesome too.

 

[AustBenny]

Ostarine is great for this purpose. Will help you recomp with the right diet and will definitely add strength. Add some GW for extra endurance and fat loss and I'd say you're good to go.

I do Kyokushin and both of these gave me a big boost.

 

[AustBenny]

I would add that those who say ostarine did nothing for them probably got bunk RC product.

See if you can track down some Olympus Labs stuff though I think it's hard to come by these days. Other people might suggest some other good brands to try.

 

[kboxer7]

If you are not quite ready for hormonal options I'd HIGHLY recommend:

Tr1umph
Ep1c TD

And Strength UL if funds permit.

For whatever it's worth I'm a kickboxer that also dabbles in MMA.

Feel free to PM me with any questions man.

 

[AustBenny]

Tr1iumph is hormonal, or no? OL version of triumphalis?

 

[Afi140]

Tr1iumph is hormonal, or no? OL version of triumphalis?

No. It's a well rounded pa/ergogenic product. Highly recommend.

 

[netflixNchill]

Tr1umph was originally a pro-steroid. Olympus labs made a new product with the same name, I guess they liked it that much haha

 

[MJW]

Ostarine/cardarine stack would be amazing for an mma athlete. Would bring down fat, strength go up, and muscular/cardio endurance would go through the roof with proper training. Could even throw in a test base to make it even better.

 

[MJW]

If you are looking for something natural look at phosphatidic acid and epicatechin. Good producs for epicatechin would be follidrone or ep1c unleashed. For pa you could use soy lecithin, triumph or something like phospha muscle.

 

[MJW]

Btw... im a previous Greco-Roman wrestler so I know what it's like as far as losing weight and keeping conditioning up.

 

[txoc]

Yall are awesome! I appreciate the quick responses. I'm going to do some more research today in light of yall's suggestions and then go from there.

 

[Thefatbloke]

Ostarine/RAD 140 is a good way to go for a recomp.
Ostarine takes a few weeks to kick in - this might be another reason that people said they got no results. You need to run it for 6-8weeks.

Running EpiAndro or 11-oxo with it would be great for this and well

Before you start, absolutely the most important thing is to have your PCT in hand before starting anything hormonal. A SERM, either nolva or clomid is strongly recommended.

 

[txoc]

Alright, I've done some research and I'm back with questions.

1. In this thread it's mentioned that "Because stacking two compounds which bind to the same receptor where one is much more potent that the other, kind of makes the weaker one redundant?" The logic looks sound, but people stack steroids, which bind to the same receptors, all the time. Either way, does this mean that Osta+RAD 140 would be a waste? Link: anabolicminds com/forum/cycle-info/270400-ostarine-rad-140-a.html

2. Triumph looks neat. I'll add it.

3. So I'm torn between Osta and RAD 140 now, but I'm definitely running the cardarine on top of which I decide on. If I run Osta, I'm going to go ahead and find the Olympus Labs stuff.

4. As far as diet goes, I'm shooting for 170-180g protein. Calories will probably be 3200 on training days and 2200 off training days, which should be pretty much EOD.

5. PCT I'm looking at Clomid. I had pubertal gyno that stuck around, so I got it snipped a few years ago. Theoretically I should be safe, yeah?

6. 11-Oxo looks exciting. I'm very seriously considering this. My one concern here is at what point does it become too much for a first cycle? Is Osta/Card/11-Oxo just trying to do too much at once, or is doing one thing really really really efficiently?

7. I've seen HcGen mentioned a few places in addition to the clomid. Do yall think it's worth it?

8. I've seen people talking about running clomid through the entire stack. Is it beneficial, or just save my money and run it for PCT?

9. Last question that I can think of immediately: is running a recomp cycle while using MMA as my primary source of exercise going to put me in a position to have a lot of muscle imbalances? Will 2 or 3 days of weight lifting per week account for it?

Thanks for yall's support.

 

[Thefatbloke]

For a first cycle I would suggest Ostarine 10-25mg for upto 8 weeks.
(Either 11-oxo or EpiAndro would be a good addition to a second cycle.)
Clomid or Nolva would be an idea PCT, personally I would use SuperPCT by OL with it rather than HCGen.
There is no benefit in using a SERM through your cycle, but if you are concerned about gyno it might be having exemestane available in case you start to get symptoms.

 

[txoc]

Cool. Osta/Card it is, with clomid and superpct for pct. Time to start sourcing. I may have access to an analytics lab to test and make sure that I get what I ordered.

 

[brofessorx]

Sheeeet, I guess I'm just old fashioned.

Since your staying legal, I was going to say high dosed epi androsterone + high dosed 19-nor dhea.

I figured you'd want a big boost in strength and aggression before going at it. But I'm not a mma guy or nothing

If you were going illegal I'd say some tren and bold cyp.

 

[txoc]

Honestly man, probably the biggest misconception about competitive fighting is that aggression wins. Intensity and focus make a big difference, and you can't be afraid to hit somebody or get hit, but aggression is just a good way to gas yourself since most fights don't end in a knockout. You'll notice all the guys with backgrounds in martial arts recommended things that give big cardio boosts and cut you up. Not holding on to a lot of extra weight, and have the stamina to go round after round and strike quickly and keep your hands up will win the fight. Strength boosts are pretty awesome too though. I appreciate the input.

 

[brofessorx]

That's probably why I don't watch mma or other competitive fighting.

I just want to see two people go at it toe to toe, straight swinging an kicking.
If I wanna watch two dudes grab on each other, I'll watch gay porn.
But I understand with all the $$$ on the line it changes things.
Kimbo slice was murded in the professional scene, but great to watch those backyard brawls on home video
Just my un needed opinion. :smoker:

 

[Bunshichi]

No Tren for MMA. Yes your strength would go up, but your stamina will go down during cycle and the pump will make it hard to move.

I'm no MMA guy but at least I have a little knowledge un muay thai and tkd.

1. It's more of a problem if the two compounds got the same properties. The receptor stuff is the wrong idea or better said a wrong explanation.

2. So how would your cycle look?

3. Got with osta. Its milder and you can run it longer without the lethargy strinking too damn hard.

5. Against gyno tamox is the better bet but chlomi is sufficient.

6. Add or dont add. Up to you. In this scenario it will add to the letharfy but lower cortisol.

7. NO

8. Only if you are experiencing sides of something aromatizing. Even then tamox or an AI would be the better bet. So dont do it.

9. Depends on what exercises you are doning in your warmup and conditioning. 2 days weightlifting can completely eliminate the problem IF DONE RIGHT.

 

[contro]

Sheeeet, I guess I'm just old fashioned.

Since your staying legal, I was going to say high dosed epi androsterone + high dosed 19-nor dhea.

I figured you'd want a big boost in strength and aggression before going at it. But I'm not a mma guy or nothing

If you were going illegal I'd say some tren and bold cyp.

No offense but bad advice, tren wrecks your cardio.
My suggestion Test(base), Masteron(aggression, cns acivation from dht=more strength) and EQ because of the cardio benefits from elevated Red blood cell count and Vo2 max, possibly tbol MAYBE halotestin before you have a fight.

Dont really recommend prohormones or designer steroids as sometimes the urine detection times are unknown which may be relevant if you're tested and these drugs also give alot of people back pumps, calf pumps which impedes their cardio
BUT if you had to then run a dry oral like Halodrol or epistane(low dose! higher dose=joint pain which may impede roadwork), nothing wet or you'll outgrow your weightclass
Coming from a fellow competitor in combat sports

 

[Thefatbloke]

Seriously, just go with a moderate dose, moderate length Osta cycle to start. A bit of a recomp and a very low risk first cycle.

 

[brofessorx]

No offense but bad advice, tren wrecks your cardio.
My suggestion Test(base), Masteron(aggression, cns acivation from dht=more strength) and EQ because of the cardio benefits from elevated Red blood cell count and Vo2 max, possibly tbol MAYBE halotestin before you have a fight.

Dont really recommend prohormones or designer steroids as sometimes the urine detection times are unknown which may be relevant if you're tested and these drugs also give alot of people back pumps, calf pumps which impedes their cardio
BUT if you had to then run a dry oral like Halodrol or epistane(low dose! higher dose=joint pain which may impede roadwork), nothing wet or you'll outgrow your weightclass
Coming from a fellow competitor in combat sports

No, op didn't say anything about being concerned about cardio.
He said he wanted quicker recovery and to recomp.

Tren does this best. An he mentioned mma so I tossed bold cyp in there as his base in hopes of keeping stamina up even though he didn't mention it.
Eq will need to be ran for a long time to do anything so I recommend a shorter ester.
I haven't noticed any problems with low doses tren ace and cardio, but I'm not doing hours of anaerobic exercises

But if cardio is a main concern of his, the osta is best. He wanted to stay legal so regardless it's irrelevant

 

[contro]

No, op didn't say anything about being concerned about cardio.
He said he wanted quicker recovery and to recomp.

Tren does this best. An he mentioned mma so I tossed bold cyp in there as his base in hopes of keeping stamina up even though he didn't mention it.
Eq will need to be ran for a long time to do anything so I recommend a shorter ester.
I haven't noticed any problems with low doses tren ace and cardio, but I'm not doing hours of anaerobic exercises

But if cardio is a main concern of his, the osta is best. He wanted to stay legal so regardless it's irrelevant

Well if he's really not concerned about cardio he may as well run SD/tren methyl no methyl combo from UK
If you're not comfortable with that because of the ban then try stacking 1-andro or epi andro with trest and tren although this isn't for beginners

 

[Thefatbloke]

Come on guys!

A first cycle with a weight class orientated sport for a goal. A mild recomp cycle would be ideal, there is plenty of time for a more harsh cycle later.

OP go with osta.

 

[DonnieM]

As others said, maybe try some osta 10-20mg. But I would add some kind of "base" to combat lethargy, like ~800-1000mg stanodrol or epiandro/4-andro.

 

[txoc]

Sorry I've been gone for so long. I've been contending with 18 hours of science classes and trying to keep my A's. I had to stop working out there for a bit an gained about 7lbs. I'm back down 3 and working out regularly again, but it's just weights and sprints and the MMA had to stop (money and time issue). This means that I'll be working and lifting/conditioning all summer and then back to the MMA gym come August.

I've been doing additional research and looking at sources and putting together money. My dog racked up some vet bills that kind of hurt my financial situation, but I should still be pretty good.

I was really excited about cardarine, read about the cancer stuff, lost my excitement, read the writeup on evolutionary and then got excited again, and then went ahead and read the study myself and found that the evolutionary breakdown was BS and they didn't accurately represent the results. No cardarine for me.

Results on Osta still seem mixed in terms of efficacy, but it looks like an easy, safe intro that may be effective. It's not that expensive and probably worth trying, so Osta it is. Lab tested stuff is available too, which is nice. I'm looking at 12.5ED

I'm considering a base, but may just run ECA for energy. I'm also considering the OL Tr1umph pa/ergogenic.

I had gyno as a kid, so I'm going to be getting aromasin. I've also found a source of pharm grade clomid (i've read too many horror stories about the lab stuff). It may seem overboard, but it does set me up to be prepared if I do decide to run a cycle of the big boy stuff since I'm not doing a whole lot with this cycle.

I appreciate the input from everyone and will keep yall posted as this goes. I won't be starting this one until school is out and I've demonstrated to myself that I'll be working out consistently and eating right, so probably mid June.