SUPERDROL(methasterone)

[Punkrocker]

So as many of you guys probably know, ug labs here and there are starting to make methasterone. A buddy of mine picked up some that is apparently good to go. I used superdrol back in 2010 before it was banned. Good gains and no sides. I was also like 23 or 24 so I wonder if my younger liver was stronger back then lol. Im gonna be 30 this summer and plan on doing a quick 3 to 4 week cycle of drol alongside my HRT. I do test arimidex and hcg. Does superdrol aggravate prolactin? Do I need to worry about any progestenic sides?

 

[netflixNchill]

30 and on HRT already?

 

[Punkrocker]

I think the few cycles I did in my early twenties did me in lol. I went from being fit and horny as hell to losing my strength, libido and gaining a mid section at the age of 27. Lab work showed a total testosterone of 390. Lame. I decided to get on hrt. My endocrinologist didn't mind either haha

 

[netflixNchill]

Were they sporadic cycles with no pct or were they planned, thought out, and done with proper support and pct?

 

[Adrnalnrsh]

That's probably going to be a rhetorical question.

 

[Punkrocker]

One cycle of rv2 pro hormone. 30 days on and a 60 day pct with some otc bull**** pct that the guy at the shop told me to take. Then 3 months after that I used "incredible bulk" which was 19-nor tren, pheraplex and superdrol. 30 days on and then another BS otc pct which I was told to do. Then the next year I used test cyp at 400mg per week for ten weeks and did a nolvadex and hcg pct. I was 24 then. After that I stayed natural. Age 24 25 26 I was looking good, feeling good, strong and super horny. Age 27 I started noticing a huge decrease in libido and also strength and bodycomposition. By age 28 I had already confirmed bloodwork that I had low t. Now I'm on test cyp 100mg every 3 and a half days(200mg per week). The strange thing is that I was fine for two and a half years after my last cycle and then out of the blue get hit with low t. I asked my specialist about it and he was like "I'll save you the time and blood work and just tell you straight up, pro hormones you took years ago is why you have low t now, trust me". Kinda sucks because my libido is not the same as it used to be.....on the other hand I feel more comfortable using aas and I'm stronger and look better than I ever have before. Meh, I'm ok with it

Thoughts? Opinions?

 

[Adrnalnrsh]

Intersting! Any head trauma out of curiosity?

 

[Punkrocker]

I was young uneducated and just did what the guy at the store told me to do, if I knew what I know now, I would not have made those same mistakes. You don't have to insult me

 

[Adrnalnrsh]

Didn't mean to. A lot of us been there.

My question about head trauma is a real question btw

 

[Punkrocker]

Why do you want to know if I have suffered head trauma

 

[Adrnalnrsh]

I can't post links.

So if your last PCT was good and everything was fine I can't see how things went down hill all on their own (unless this stuff catches up years later).

This leads me to believe you either had some sort of nutritional/sedentary issue or possibly head trauma.

There's a lot of new research around hormones and head trauma being done by Dr. Mark Gordon who works with PTSD Veterans and a lot relates to head trauma.

So hence the question. I'd google "dr. mark gordon" and look at the Life Extension article if you fall into this camp.

btw: Dr. Mark Gordon describes "head trauma" as something as simple as hitting a soccer ball off your head playing soccer.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

Why do you want to know if I have suffered head trauma

So did your endo clinically diagnose you as deficient or you pushed for TRT and he agreed? 390 is in normal range lol...

 

[Mward97]

Punkrocker head trauma can damage he hypothalamus and/or the pituitary which would result in your low T

 

[Mward97]

NoAddedHmones 390 might be "normal" but it isn't even average for his age, let alone even close to optimal for even "natural" athletic performance. A good level for his age would have been like 575-800 maybe higher.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

NoAddedHmones 390 might be "normal" but it isn't even average for his age, let alone even close to optimal for even "natural" athletic performance. A good level for his age would have been like 575-800 maybe higher.

Its funny how you can make such a definitive statement with only 1 small piece of the puzzle. keep it up bruv.

 

[Mward97]

There are statistical averages for hormone levels... 390 does not fit that for a 28 year old. I'm sure you could find plenty of Endo's who would refuse to prescribe you TRT with that level. But if you asked a progressive honest doctor "am I in optimal hormonal health/ balance with my total testosterone of 390ng/dl at 28" he would say absolutely not. You'r testosterone continues to drop? With that level at 28 he is on the fast track to clinically significant low testosterone and all the side effects that come along with that; heart disease, diabetes, fatty liver, Alzheimer's etc...

 

[Punkrocker]

As far as head trauma goes the answer would be yes. Countless fights, countless mosh pits, when I was 26 I got stabbed in the side with a dagger and almost bled to death, I spent 8 days in the intensive care unit. Nothing happened that triggered immediate low T symptoms. I just slowly noticed a decrease in libido when I was 28

 

[Adrnalnrsh]

As far as head trauma goes the answer would be yes. Countless fights, countless mosh pits, when I was 26 I got stabbed in the side with a dagger and almost bled to death, I spent 8 days in the intensive care unit. Nothing happened that triggered immediate low T symptoms. I just slowly noticed a decrease in libido when I was 28

I am no expert but from my understanding its not over night.

 

[Mward97]

A strong fist to the side of the head could lead to a delayed onset like that. It could be the initial damage then the next time it cannot recover/reduce the swelling from even a minor minor trauma. Not saying that's what happened but maybe.

 

[Punkrocker]

That is definitely something I should check, I never thought of that! Sorry I took what you said as an insult. I guess I have some new questions for my doctor. Anyways, um superdrol...yeah... Prolactin, progesterone?

 

[Adrnalnrsh]

just trying to help. I don't think either of those are an issue during a cycle. PCT is critical. Read the "superdrol for dummies" page. I've read it 5 times already and keep finding gems.

 

[napalm]

I can't post links.

So if your last PCT was good and everything was fine I can't see how things went down hill all on their own (unless this stuff catches up years later).

This leads me to believe you either had some sort of nutritional/sedentary issue or possibly head trauma.

There's a lot of new research around hormones and head trauma being done by Dr. Mark Gordon who works with PTSD Veterans and a lot relates to head trauma.

So hence the question. I'd google "dr. mark gordon" and look at the Life Extension article if you fall into this camp.

btw: Dr. Mark Gordon describes "head trauma" as something as simple as hitting a soccer ball off your head playing soccer.

Great post.

<----head trauma induced hypopituitarism. 10 documented concussions and 2 skull fractures. On trt...

 

[Punkrocker]

Could you please post me the link for the superdrol for dummies.

 

[Punkrocker]

Oh and I really appreciate everyone's input. Thank you all for the help and support

 

[Adrnalnrsh]

I can't post links yet or I would

 

[Marsh1116]

Personally 3 weeks of SD was plenty for me while on 500mg a test a week. Keep estro in check and. Prolactin shouldn't be an issue IMO. Get some sort of cycle support . It elevated my BP , worked up from 10-20 mg. get some taurine too for the pumps. What do you use HCG if on HRT? Keep the boys up to size? Kids in the future?

 

[Punkrocker]

My hrt is 200mg cyp per week split into two 100mg shots. I use arimidex eod and I use hcg 2 months on and one month off. I keep my test around 800-1100 I'd say. I'm just gonna add the drol and not change the hrt

 

[Marsh1116]

How much Adex do you take EOD.. What does that keep your estro at? Only asking bc when I am at 200-250 I don't use an AI. All my signs point to estro being under control but I don't have any blood work to back that up at the moment

 

[Marsh1116]

But yes that sounds fine. Enjoy

 

[Audioph1x]

just trying to help. I don't think either of those are an issue during a cycle. PCT is critical. Read the "superdrol for dummies" page. I've read it 5 times already and keep finding gems.

He's on TRT brother, he doesn't need pct.

 

[Adrnalnrsh]

He's on TRT brother, he doesn't need pct.

Yeah duh. Totally spaced that.

 

[bobi593]

So did your endo clinically diagnose you as deficient or you pushed for TRT and he agreed? 390 is in normal range lol...

390 is normal range for 27 years old guy ? you must be joking

 

[Punkrocker]

390 is normal range for 27 years old guy you must be joking

Yeah my primary care doctor was like "well you're in the normal range".....I wanted to strangle her. Luckily my endo agreed that I should be at 800.

 

[bobi593]

390 is normal range for 27 years old guy ? you must be joking

Or more I'm 36 last blod work done 8 months ago 850

 

[Punkrocker]

Yeah I hear ya. I just came off a 4 month enanthate cycle. My total test was 3400 lol. Honestly the gains were not so drastic until I added the epistane. Once I threw that into the mix it was retarded strength and hardening

 

[bobi593]

Yeah I hear ya. I just came off a 4 month enanthate cycle. My total test was 3400 lol. Honestly the gains were not so drastic until I added the epistane. Once I threw that into the mix it was retarded strength and hardening

do you go off the test and cruise only on HCG from time to time?

 

[Punkrocker]

No I just bring my dose back to 200mg. I use hcg 2 months on and one month off. I have thought about stopping everything for one month and just running clomid to restart the lh fsh and all that.....but I'm too scared I'll lose gains, energy etc....

 

[bobi593]

I wasn't thinking about pct more like 2 months just HCG and go back to you TRT regimen, what's your test level when you are only on TRT 200 per week for me would be like cycle ha ha

 

[Punkrocker]

My peak day is around 1200 and my low day is around 800

 

[bobi593]

My peak day is around 1200 and my low day is around 800

healthy range....

 

[Punkrocker]

Agreed. I'll tell yeah though, after being 3400 for the past 4 months and starting to get back to normal, I feel like total garbage in the morning. I'm still trying to wake up and I got up an hour ago lol