Epistane update

[leanguy101]

Hello as i posted before thinking that i bought bunk epi from ebay ,,
This is my 5th day on epi 30mg a day and i already having back pumps 4th day while doing back
Crazy back pumpe prevented me from doing deadlifts that day,, is this epi effects or iam just feeling it cuz i know iam taking epi?? For previous users let me know if its too early to feel pumps.

 

[Jebrook]

Hello as i posted before thinking that i bought bunk epi from ebay ,,
This is my 5th day on epi 30mg a day and i already having back pumps 4th day while doing back
Crazy back pumpe prevented me from doing deadlifts that day,, is this epi effects or iam just feeling it cuz i know iam taking epi?? For previous users let me know if its too early to feel pumps.

Any ph can give backs pumps. Just drink plenty of water and supplement with taurine if needed. Keep dosing consistently and following your diet plan. Quit sweating the legitimacy and focus on training. You'll know at the end by strength and composition changes.

 

[georgetown]

Very very very rarely do you get legit product from eBay.

Just curious as to what makes you say that, did you have that experience?

 

[Leaveit]

i stocked up before the ban ... lol I've got 8 bottles of havoc and olympus labs epistane... i know before the ban it was legit on ebay ..unsure now though lol

 

[LiftWithDonuts]

i stocked up before the ban ... lol I've got 8 bottles of havoc and olympus labs epistane... i know before the ban it was legit on ebay ..unsure now though lol

Isn't the shelf life of epistane like 6 months?

 

[T-Bone]

Very very very rarely do you get legit product from eBay.

How do you know this?. What is this based on?. If people are too damn dumb or don't have the skills for shopping on eBay than they deserve to be scammed.

 

[T-Bone]

Isn't the shelf life of epistane like 6 months?

I would guess it depends on how you store it. Drugs will last a long time past their imaginary "expiration dates" that mean practically nothing.

 

[Leaveit]

expiration date on the bottle is june 2016 / if you store in a cool dry place. I doubt the half life is 6 months.

 

[T-Bone]

expiration date on the bottle is june 2016 / if you store in a cool dry place. I doubt the half life is 6 months.

Who is talking about "half life"?. How'd that work anyway?. You take all your caps you'd ever take in the cycle in one shot?. Or would you empty all the powder from 2 bottles worth into an alcohol solution, mix it up and drink it?

 

[Leaveit]

Shelf life ?? I read what he typed wrong. I thought he said half life... I meant to say shelf life.. my bad

 

[T-Bone]

Shelf life ?? I read what he typed wrong. I thought he said half life... I meant to say shelf life.. my bad

My joke didn't land?

 

[Leaveit]

ayeee lol it flew wayyyy over my head until now..... I was like wtf he talking about lol

 

[Leaveit]

anyways lol I'm about to start a EPI /Trenevar cycle monday with my stocked up goodies.. ill prove this shelf life theory and post back... wanted to run injectable cycle but I am going to germany in may and my pct would fall right into my vacation which is a no go

 

[Wreckosaurus]

I bought two bottles of havoc on ebay before the ban. I've tried taking it twice and both times it made me feel super dizzy. I'm not sure if it's legit product, as I've never used epistane before. I would assume if it was bunk it would just be capsules filled with flour though.

 

[unreal89]

if the bottle is a reputable company and bottle it sealed properly what make you think ****s fake

 

[DirtyWilly]

I believe the largest concern for shelf-life of epistane is that it converts into phera. When converted, phera exhibits properties some claim are similar to superdrol, though could just be the chemical similarity. Phera appears to be a much wetter compound compared to epi and carries increased side-effects. From what I understand most of the epistane produced was found to be contaminated with phera anyways, so the longer it's stored the more it will degrade.

All three compounds are hepatotoxic and are known to cause permanent damage to the liver, just an fyi.

 

[T-Bone]

I believe the largest concern for shelf-life of epistane is that it converts into phera. When converted, phera exhibits properties some claim are similar to superdrol, though could just be the chemical similarity. Phera appears to be a much wetter compound compared to epi and carries increased side-effects. From what I understand most of the epistane produced was found to be contaminated with phera anyways, so the longer it's stored the more it will degrade.

All three compounds are hepatotoxic and are known to cause permanent damage to the liver, just an fyi.

Say what?. Where'd you read "permanent damage to the liver."

 

[DirtyWilly]

Anything hepatotoxic leads to permanent liver damage once your AST/ALT values go high enough.

 

[unreal89]

epistane causes permanent damage i thought your liver can recover from things like drinking everyday for 20 years so how is epistane for 4 weeks permnant?

 

[demonfox]

Ya I highly doubt it's permanent.

 

[unreal89]

are bodys heal themselves i dont think the liver is excluded

 

[Demgainz]

I don't really agree with the "permanent damage" aspect of the previous post. Your liver enzymes can simply be elevated by exercise. The liver is an extremely resilient organ and when the cessation of methylated oral aas occurs one's liver values normally return to be baseline. Can it happen? Sure, but I do believe the permanent damage would occur with very high doses of certain compounds and of course individuals already with preexisting medical conditions. I believe it is rare at best.

 

[unreal89]

as its not true

 

[leanguy101]

day six on havoc **** is crazy ! no back pumps on chest day. still at 30mg a day

 

[demonfox]

You typically see back pumps in week 2-3

 

[T-Bone]

are bodys heal themselves i dont think the liver is excluded

The liver is the only internal organ that actually heals itself. Saying AAS cause PERMANENT damage to the liver is asinine. In fact if one part of the liver is physically damaged, you can have a surgeon remove it, or cut it off, and it will regrow new. I'm not just talking out of my ass either. I got that straight out of the mouth of the head of a liver transplant team...My doctor when I had drug induced cholestasis.

 

[Demgainz]

The liver is the only internal organ that actually heals itself. Saying AAS cause PERMANENT damage to the liver is asinine. In fact if one part of the liver is physically damaged, you can have a surgeon remove it, or cut it off, and it will regrow new. I'm not just talking out of my ass either. I got that straight out of the mouth of the head of a liver transplant team...My doctor when I had drug induced cholestasis.

Was you liver so bad that you had to talk to a liver transplant team? Did you get a liver transplant?

 

[T-Bone]

Was you liver so bad that you had to talk to a liver transplant team? Did you get a liver transplant?

They thought I might have needed it I think. Either that or they just wanted me to have the best doctor, because I was transferred to The Lahey Clinic and they know the liver there. It was over 10 years ago now so my memory isn't that clear but I do remember some things very clearly.

 

[Demgainz]

Holy baby Jesus! That must have sucked ass and probably scared the **** out of you.

 

[demonfox]

They thought I might have needed it I think. Either that or they just wanted me to have the best doctor, because I was transferred to The Lahey Clinic and they know the liver there. It was over 10 years ago now so my memory isn't that clear but I do remember some things very clearly.

Did you have liver problems from ph use or was it because of something different

 

[Leaveit]

I believe it it does if it sits there for 5 years and is stored wrong. I just checked my Oylmpus Labs epistane bottles and I thought the exp was 2016, but it actually says 06-2017 on the bottom.

 

[mw1]

day six on havoc **** is crazy ! no back pumps on chest day. still at 30mg a day

Havoc from Ebay?? No telling what you really got then

 

[dman1]

Hello as i posted before thinking that i bought bunk epi from ebay ,,
This is my 5th day on epi 30mg a day and i already having back pumps 4th day while doing back
Crazy back pumpe prevented me from doing deadlifts that day,, is this epi effects or iam just feeling it cuz i know iam taking epi?? For previous users let me know if its too early to feel pumps.

how is it going with your cycle?

 

[Cutty636]

I believe the largest concern for shelf-life of epistane is that it converts into phera. When converted, phera exhibits properties some claim are similar to superdrol, though could just be the chemical similarity. Phera appears to be a much wetter compound compared to epi and carries increased side-effects. From what I understand most of the epistane produced was found to be contaminated with phera anyways, so the longer it's stored the more it will degrade.
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So if I let my epi sit long enough then I'll get upgraded to superdrol? Sounds like a win to me, just have to change from a recomp to a bulk and adjust some ancillaries.