Why Prohormones?

[jakz]

I am NOT flaming anyone just very curious.Why do people choose to run a PH or Sarm over AAS for eg Test or even oral AAS? Is it because of lack of availability or fear of needles or something else?

 

[zcol94]

Legality and the social stigma of aas
Most everyday ppl won't question ph's because you can get them at a nutrition store but they view real aas like a hard drug that causes roid rage .... The media has always blames steroids when an athlete murders their family or beats their wife...

 

[hide83]

All three for most people I'd say. One big thing is significant others are normally cool with phs because you can just say they're a supplement. I'm just now taking the plunge into injectable AAS it's only because I got my wife to agree to it after a long discussion. There aren't many women that would just be cool with what the media portrays as injectable drug use. In hindsight I wish I had never messed with oral only cycles. I should've taken the plunge sooner

 

[zcol94]

All three for most people I'd say. One big thing is significant others are normally cool with phs because you can just say they're a supplement. I'm just now taking the plunge into injectable AAS it's only because I got my wife to agree to it after a long discussion. There aren't many women that would just be cool with what the media portrays as injectable drug use. In hindsight I wish I had never messed with oral only cycles. I should've taken the plunge sooner

This me my wife although she somewhat understands they're not what the media claims, she still isn't comfortable with me using them... And she sees ph's as supplements

 

[Gutterpump]

I'm on TRT, so I have a lot of AAS available to me legally. I definitely prefer AAS.

I still like certain PH/DS though, because of some of their actions. Epistane for example, is a great DS to take when on a wet compound like test/trest, for many reasons.

 

[SweetLou321]

I'm on TRT, so I have a lot of AAS available to me legally. I definitely prefer AAS.

I still like certain PH/DS though, because of some of their actions. Epistane for example, is a great DS to take when on a wet compound like test/trest, for many reasons.

I wish I could get this still. Loved it.

 

[123abcabcabc]

All I see is "my wife doesn't approve" or "jeez I wish my wife let me do things".

Sickening. No one should dictate your lifestyle choices.

 

[T-Bone]

I am NOT flaming anyone just very curious.Why do people choose to run a PH or Sarm over AAS for eg Test or even oral AAS? Is it because of lack of availability or fear of needles or something else?

Just possession of hypodermic needles here is punishable by up to one year in prison and a $1000 fine.

 

[T-Bone]

All I see is "my wife doesn't approve" or "jeez I wish my wife let me do things".

Sickening. No one should dictate your lifestyle choices.

Single?

 

[Audioph1x]

Just possession of hypodermic needles here is punishable by up to one year in prison and a $1000 fine.

You're right. Something like "misd. poss of a drug object" but I would be more concerned with possession of actual AAS which is a felony. Not that any municipal, county, state, or three letter agency really cares about AAS anyway. But it is a law.

 

[hide83]

All I see is "my wife doesn't approve" or "jeez I wish my wife let me do things".

Sickening. No one should dictate your lifestyle choices.

Then you're reading it wrong. My wife doesn't let or not let me do anything. It's a partnership and I may choose not to do something she doesn't agree with out of respect for her. She'd do the same for me.

 

[123abcabcabc]

Single?

I'm in a relationship but the idea of marriage is impractical to me. If your wife or significant other is bossing you around, you're essentially being cucked.

 

[T-Bone]

I'm in a relationship but the idea of marriage is impractical to me. If your wife or significant other is bossing you around, you're essentially being cucked.

You must be pretty young. You'll likely have a different attitude as you grow older. hide83 and I are in agreement.

 

[T-Bone]

You're right. Something like "misd. poss of a drug object" but I would be more concerned with possession of actual AAS which is a felony. Not that any municipal, county, state, or three letter agency really cares about AAS anyway. But it is a law.

I'm sure they do care, and all it takes is getting caught one time and that's it. A lot of people just don't want to take that risk. If you can't do the time, than don't do the crime...As they say.

 

[123abcabcabc]

You must be pretty young. You'll likely have a different attitude as you grow older. hide83 and I are in agreement.

Gotcha. I guess age turns us men into cuckolds. That's an accurate assessment right?

 

[jakz]

Where are you from?

 

[Dma378]

Definitely an accessibilty issue as well. There are plenty of PH users who would use AAS in a second. The underground aspect of it and risk of getting scammed, burned, or bunked is something that scares people away too.

Wait, I don't get an email receipt for the money I just wired Slavek Borishnokov in Romania? Ok, maybe that's old school, lots of domestic availability now. But still I think people are shaky to send that money to some lab and expect steroids to land in their mailbox.

But once you start.......

 

[B5150]

Gotcha. I guess age turns us men into cuckolds. That's an accurate assessment right?

No. Your ignorance will.

 

[Kickstart7]

Definitely an accessibilty issue as well. There are plenty of PH users who would use AAS in a second. The underground aspect of it and risk of getting scammed, burned, or bunked is something that scares people away too.

Wait, I don't get an email receipt for the money I just wired Slavek Borishnokov in Romania? Ok, maybe that's old school, lots of domestic availability now. But still I think people are shaky to send that money to some lab and expect steroids to land in their mailbox.

But once you start.......

This is perfectly accurate of myself and most PH / SARM users I know. You can get burned both ways but it's far more likely to get burned searching for AAS than a reliable supp company. Some are unreliable so it's common sense to stray from their products but most that the members on this forum use are reliable.

 

[Dma378]

It's also a just not trying to find out. Because it's pretty funny how when you find a good ugl, or multiple, the level of customer service involved. Replacement policies, tracked shipments, email correspondence, quality control (to some extent), etc. You find that many of them are trying to run a legit business with as much integrity as any supplement company.

 

[hide83]

It's also a just not trying to find out. Because it's pretty funny how when you find a good ugl, or multiple, the level of customer service involved. Replacement policies, tracked shipments, email correspondence, quality control (to some extent), etc. You find that many of them are trying to run a legit business with as much integrity as any supplement company.

Problem with that is when people find out that they are reputable and have good policies, these small operations get overwhelmed. Quality suffers and after a while poof- they're gone and take a bunch of money with them even though they started out with good intentions. Best time to buy from a Ugl is when they're new imo.

Edit: also raws. They all pretty much use the same Chinese raws which are hit or miss.

 

[carmaf]

Just possession of hypodermic needles here is punishable by up to one year in prison and a $1000 fine.

North Korea??????


Also don't PHs have way more sides and affect the liver more harshly? I've never understood the middle ground between natty and gear myself, but I'm a man of black & whites and extremes.

Also a question to those who said their partners are more cool with PH. Not giving you sass but legit wondering: if you know that they aren't natty, aren't you being deceptive? Wouldn't it be better to either come clean about what PHs are or just use gear and tell your partner why this is something you want?

 

[medinacirilo]

All I see is "my wife doesn't approve" or "jeez I wish my wife let me do things".

Sickening. No one should dictate your lifestyle choices.

Good luck with that mentality. Marriage is a partnership

 

[Dma378]

Problem with that is when people find out that they are reputable and have good policies, these small operations get overwhelmed. Quality suffers and after a while poof- they're gone and take a bunch of money with them even though they started out with good intentions. Best time to buy from a Ugl is when they're new imo.

Edit: also raws. They all pretty much use the same Chinese raws which are hit or miss.

Also very true.

 

[jbryand101b]

I am NOT flaming anyone just very curious.Why do people choose to run a PH or Sarm over AAS for eg Test or even oral AAS? Is it because of lack of availability or fear of needles or something else?

Do you know what a androgenic steroid hormone is?

If so you wouldn't ask questions like this.

 

[Wreckosaurus]

3 reasons for me.

1. No needles. Is not a big deal but it is an issue
2. Legal. This is the main one for me, due to work reasons I can't do illegal drugs. Legal also means you can buy products with a lot of confidence in what is actually in the bottle.
3. I like the shorter cycle time.

 

[jakz]

Do you know what a androgenic steroid hormone is?

If so you wouldn't ask questions like this.

I was asking more in terms of why people run these compounds (which convert to aas in your body) rather than something that needs no conversion,aswell as the legal vs illegal factor.I've gathered that a small percentage use these hormones because they are legal,yet they need Nolva to recover which (atleast here) is illegal without a script

 

[BlockBuilder]

I was asking more in terms of why people run these compounds (which convert to aas in your body) rather than something that needs no conversion,aswell as the legal vs illegal factor.I've gathered that a small percentage use these hormones because they are legal,yet they need Nolva to recover which (atleast here) is illegal without a script

Just not ready for needles...that's it lol

 

[jakz]

Lol,I must admit if I had a fear of needles I would rather run Ph with a test base such as trest rathen than a dbol/adrol only cycle

 

[BlockBuilder]

Lol,I must admit if I had a fear of needles I would rather run Ph with a test base such as trest rathen than a dbol/adrol only cycle

I'll overcome it eventually. Maybe I'll be a candidate for TRT in a few years. That would make it a lot easier lol

 

[jakz]

I'll overcome it eventually. Maybe I'll be a candidate for TRT in a few years. That would make it a lot easier lol

I was scared ****less of needles,I bought a needle and syringe and just stuck it in (like I was going to inject with swabs and everything) just to make myself see that it wasn't that bad LOL

 

[carmaf]

Just get Mark McGwire to inject you a la Jose Canseco.

 

[BlockBuilder]

I was scared ****less of needles,I bought a needle and syringe and just stuck it in (like I was going to inject with swabs and everything) just to make myself see that it wasn't that bad LOL

Lol practice jabs....hmmm...definitely sounds like something I would do

 

[jakz]

You get used to it in a few weeks..Now it's fun ,But I love the fact that ph are in and out no lingering

 

[jbryand101b]

I was asking more in terms of why people run these compounds (which convert to aas in your body) rather than something that needs no conversion,aswell as the legal vs illegal factor.I've gathered that a small percentage use these hormones because they are legal,yet they need Nolva to recover which (atleast here) is illegal without a script

My op still remains the same as you don't seem to know what an androgenic steroid hormone is.

 

[jakz]

My op still remains the same as you don't seem to know what an androgenic steroid hormone is.

Would you mind explaining then ?

 

[bert45]

My op still remains the same as you don't seem to know what an androgenic steroid hormone is.

Meant for jakz Most phs out don't need to convert they are already active.

 

[bert45]

Would you mind explaining then ?

Most phs out do not need to covert as they are already active.

 

[jakz]

Did not know that,since I have never really had intrest in ph,so my apologies for ignorance and bad english.Still wondering about the legal issue though

 

[bert45]

Just possession of hypodermic needles here is punishable by up to one year in prison and a $1000 fine.

Yikes were do u live? I can go to Walmart pharmacy and buy up to 10 without script

 

[jbryand101b]

All these are androgenic steroid hormones.

4-dhea
Androsterone
Testosterone
Dht

They all bind with the androgen receptor. The difference is how strongly the interact/bind with it based on modifications to its structure.

 

[jbryand101b]

Needles aren't illegal to buy or poses in Arizona.
But it's up to the pharmacist whether they want to sell them to you or not.
They're cheaper online anyways though.

 

[jakz]

Once again apologies for lack of ph knowledge and bad english and thank you sir

 

[kaikara]

Sourcing and risk of getting caught.

 

[oyvind]

Single?

Probably

 

[afluck410]

I'll put it this way, I have friends who sell UGL AAS but they admit that they have no clue the purity, the amount of actual compound per ml (or per pill) and there's really no one to hold accountable. With PH's/ designer steroids, there's a company behind the pill your popping and there are reviews to weed out the fakes

 

[oyvind]

I'll overcome it eventually. Maybe I'll be a candidate for TRT in a few years. That would make it a lot easier lol

That's just a plain stupid comment bro. No one in their right mind should aim for trt..
It is NOT a reward man

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Sourcing (I live in the middle of nowhere and have my own gym - there's no gym culture that deals in this), and Legality (I have a family and no way I'd put them through even a slap on the wrist). Plus, the legal stuff works fine for what I want from my training at my age - and I get to use Coupon Codes and get a FedEx tracking number!

 

[Dma378]

I'll put it this way, I have friends who sell UGL AAS but they admit that they have no clue the purity, the amount of actual compound per ml (or per pill) and there's really no one to hold accountable. With PH's/ designer steroids, there's a company behind the pill your popping and there are reviews to weed out the fakes

Sourcing (I live in the middle of nowhere and have my own gym - there's no gym culture that deals in this), and Legality (I have a family and no way I'd put them through even a slap on the wrist). Plus, the legal stuff works fine for what I want from my training at my age - and I get to use Coupon Codes and get a FedEx tracking number!

Not to discredit anyone's reason for not doing one or the other, but most of the demands required in these posts can be found and received by many ugl. Just like anything else, a bit of research can shed light on many concerns.

I would say in my experience, the biggest concern with buying AAS from ugl is potency. Most will at least have a considerable amount of hormone in them. Trust me they want your business again, just like any other supplement company. But you will find from lab to lab the same products will be stronger or weaker. The same can be said for supplement/ph companies.

 

[Dma378]

^^^^ legality concerns not applied to above post.