Super dry and lean cycle

[BoxingFreak]

Is there a good legal PH cycle to run that provides dry gains, and does not convert to estrogen-thus no worries for gyno, tons of water weight etc. Supermandro is a given(love that stuff), but what else to run with it??? Just looking for a few pounds of lean muscle, but with more emphasis on me doing a lot of cardio and just maintaining a lot of strength and muscle while melting my fat. I won my last amateur boxing Match, but I fought at cruiser weight because I'm still at about 12-13% bf, I need to get to under ten % and maintain, so that I can box at light heavy weight-where I can shine! I'm 5 foot 10, and the height and reach disadvantage at cruiser weight is a struggle. Thanks in advance pimps

 

[LeanEngineer]

There's tons of stuff out there to run. ostashred is always a good one. Supermandro and andro the giant stack is awesome. Or you can always do a natural anabolic stack and run maybe anafuse and x gels and good some good results as well.

 

[BoxingFreak]

The giant can convert though, and even though the supermandro and giant stack was amazing for me-I don't need all the muscle that the giant provided, again lol. I literally can't gain any more than maybe 5 pounds of Muscle and need to drop about 8-10 pounds of fat to get my BF down to like 7-8%. I need to walk around at 192-195 at a low bf, so that I can easily cut to 180 for fights. I'm walking around at a beast 203-207 right now depending on the day, and cutting to 192

 

[Volvo140G]

1-Andro

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[demonfox]

To me, it seems like you should do Osta first to cut down and then bridge into 1-andro for the gains.
Or you could do just 1-andro while being on like 100 calorie deficit. The deficit along with workout and 1-andro should allow you to gain slightly while losing fat.

 

[Jason11111]

1 andro is definitely good for dry gains and can preserve muscle while you cut.

Nver tried it before but there's a lot of info and data saying GW50 (cardarine) is good on a cut. It would also help you with your boxing goal (increased endurance).

Also look into ostarine

 

[BoxingFreak]

1 andro does cause lethargy from shut down, would osta shred help with that ?

 

[BoxingFreak]

So a 6 week cycle of osta shred and supermandro. Could I take rise and swell as like my SERM in pct, and do I still need an AI for these compounds?

 

[demonfox]

Both Osta and 1-andro will cause lethargy.

 

[BoxingFreak]

Hmmm. Supermandro and osta shred sounds perfect for what I need, now all the question is, is there something that I can run with it, that doesn't convert, and still allow me to use an over the counter SERM in pct. That's like having your cake and eating it too ! Supermandro and osta shred on cycle with what else for lethargy , and rise and swell in pct with what else.... Hmmmmm

 

[demonfox]

Epiandro (androvar) will be good for lethargy.
But if you're going to run all these three then definitely SERM is needed. Getting a hold of SERM isn't hard. Look at the board sponsors

 

[Jason11111]

Not 100% sure but I think almost any compound ran without a test base will cause lethargy once you shut down.

Only way to combat that is to add in test (4andro) which is wet. I have heard that epiandro could be used as a dry base to prevent lethargy but not cause wetness like 4 andro

 

[BoxingFreak]

Epiandro (androvar) will be good for lethargy.
But if you're going to run all these three then definitely SERM is needed. Getting a hold of SERM isn't hard. Look at the board sponsors

Okay so epiandro, 1andro, and osta shred. If I get a legit SERM, is an AI needed-none of these convert right?

 

[Volvo140G]

You'd pry be fine... I'm an have AI on hand typa guy tho. I like exemestane.

 

[demonfox]

Okay so epiandro, 1andro, and osta shred. If I get a legit SERM, is an AI needed-none of these convert right?

AI will be needed for osta

 

[Jason11111]

I recommend you look into cardarine aka GW501656?... Forgot the numbers but type in gw50.

Never used it but there's a lot of info on here saying it's great for endurance and fat loss.

 

[2bcognit]

Dermacrine works but you will have some wet gains. Old school ECA stack might better align with your goals vs. 4 AD like products.

 

[afluck410]

Just 1-andro & epiandro
No need for osta

 

[Canes325]

Just 1-andro & epiandro
No need for osta

Yep, run them for 8 weeks. mod edit: no ...I would still have an AI on hand. Letrone from BLR will do. Great for PCT as well.