I like him and some of his videos, but I know what you mean. The excessive cussing and yelling gets to be a little much. Lol
Well, he is a salesman. And he is selling his personality first and foremost. He's over the top. Saying things like what is being done with SARMS is giving the industry a blackeye... After all the prohormones, designer steroids, unregulated stimulants, that's laughable. That being said, he is affiliated with TigerFitness, so he is not giving an unbiased point of view. And though the video is about providing a 'truth' regarding Ostarine, it wasn't educational, it was fear-mongering. If he is all for adults making informed decisions then he should give information, not cherry pick talking points and frame things in a negative way. Everything said in his video was to dissuade people from using Ostarine, not to give a fair and balanced view of the facts that lets others make their own decision. If you are researching Ostarine, then keep researching. Read, a lot. There is a lot of good information out there. If what he said has scared you, then do what you feel is best. You have to make your own informed decision regarding such matters as what you ingest or supplement. Personally I have taken Ostarine on two separate cycles and noticed no ill effects, nor do I regret the decision. But I spent months reading DAILY before I ever made a decision.
Thank you for your reply. Your reply made me think about his motives which at first I thought was b/c he was concerend. Now I understand he is a salesperson selling his own brand. If I didn't get your opinion, I would have been brainwashed.
Don't touch anything hormonal for another couple of years.
Interesting....thank you. I appreciate your comment more than you imagine. I am 75% sure I'll try it, but the reason for my 25% not trying it is because I am still making good gains and have not plateaued yet. I am getting stronger and I think I look as more muscular than some dudes at the gym that has been lifting for about a year.
This is the main take-away. If people buy SARMS, they won't be buying the stuff he sells, like Bio-Grow, LOL.
^^this
What did you notice at 5mg and what brand did you use?
I agree, go hard and wait until you hit a plateau before you resort to taking anything.
That's just how it is. Personally, I just want people to make the best decision for them. That's what makes us a community, we don't just support each other as we strive to achieve our goals, we educate each other and share.
Well, it was researched using 3mg Ed so that's why I'm only using the minimum I can.
Any sides at that dose?
Not a single side, and I ran it at 25mg for 8 weeks straight.
That doesn't sound like you got Ostarine, what brand did you purchase?
Could be, I'm noticing heartburn but at 186 I'm the heaviest I've ever been, so that might have something to do with it.
I had these same sides last year when I ran Ostabol. Started @ 10mg, then went to 20mg. BP was about 20 points
That's awesome, man! Congrats!Thank you all for your replies. I am now <5% yes because of the wonderful advice I've received from this thread and this forum and because my run of Ep1C Unleashed is exceeding my expectations (almost done with week#2).
Thank you guys
This goes to show you how highly individual effects and side effects are, I'm sorry to hear that Ostarine gave you guys such issues. Obviously what works well for one person won't necessarily for another. Like IronAddiction here, I had no side effects whatsoever. But with what you guys are describing, it reinforces the recommendation that an AI should be on hand no matter what type of cycle you are running. As for the BP, some are just prone to it, I'm on RAD-140/Halodrol/Furazadrol and my BP is 114/71. For others, it would be through the roof. And the only support I'm taking is TUDCA, no BP support at all. Learn your body well, listen to it, and take every precaution! Get an AI, Cycle Support, and if you notice side effects, taper the dosage is necessary.
That was my 1st experience with Ostarine and it wasn't from OL. It was from Celtic Labs. Im going to give Ostar1ne
I hope to hear that your next run with Ostarine is more pleasant than the last! It sounds like you have a good handle on it, bro. I can't think of any aspect you're neglecting. What kind of AI are we talking about?
Try Cel Cycle Assist for support. It has hawthorne plus celery seed for bp and a bunk of other support supplements all in one.
Ive got some of order for my next cycle
Well SARMS are actually starting to give the industry a blackeye. Before with PHs and DS people knew they were steroid precusors and such so the average joe knew the risks. Now with sarms being made by supplement companies they average consumer doesn't know the risks and considers them safe. Most Sarms like Ostraine are patented by Pharma companies so no legit manufacturer would dare make them for a company(for fear of getting sued). I think in the future you will see lawsuits filed by Pharma companies and then the FDA and FTC taking actions against the companies selling them...and the penalties the FTC issues will ruin companies unlike the FDAs
The average joe didn't know what they were getting into with the PH/DS era of the supplement industry. That is false. Many people took things without understanding them and hurt themselves. Superdrol was a big offender. Like with most things in life, its up to the individual to educate themselves on the risks of everything they choose to do. This includes the jobs they work, the vehicles they drive, the foods they eat. Everything can be considered a risk to some degree, the variables are innumerable. I'm sorry you seem surprised that you Test levels were so low, Ostarine is known to be suppressive, as are all SARMS, it is not something that is hidden or esoteric knowledge by any means. A proper PCT is recommended. What the future holds has yet to be seen. As for individual safety, that is as it would imply, up to the individual. Seek information, educate yourself, take precautions, listen to your body, and make decisions that you are comfortable with. No one can take responsibility for the actions of someone else.Well SARMS are actually starting to give the industry a blackeye. Before with PHs and DS people knew they were steroid precusors and such so the average joe knew the risks. Now with sarms being made by supplement companies they average consumer doesn't know the risks and considers them safe. Most Sarms like Ostraine are patented by Pharma companies so no legit manufacturer would dare make them for a company(for fear of getting sued). I think in the future you will see lawsuits filed by Pharma companies and then the FDA and FTC taking actions against the companies selling them...and the penalties the FTC issues will ruin companies unlike the FDAs
Now don't get me wrong ive used a few and like Ostrarine very much- felt great on it and had no sides while on it. Unfortunately when I finished and had bloodwork my test levels were 54
Remember when superdrol was on the shelves at GNC trololol
How many people do you think walked into GNC and realized they had one of the strongest steroids to ever exist sitting there, and that it was highly liver toxic requiring not only liver support but a proper PCT? lol
Well, that is misinformation. Studies show that it is suppressive, people claiming otherwise do so without proof. It still comes down to educating yourself and making an informed decision. I never said he hadn't been around for a while, nor that he doesn't know what is up. I respect his point and his views, yours as well. This is a community of sharing, we share information to try and help. I don't claim to have all the answers, and I hope that everyone chooses to search in depth before making any decisions, never make a decision based off a single person or claim.
I like to use osta in pct, and have had no problem recovering and using it in pct after long injectable cycles.
Agreed, some supp companies bank off of people not educating themselves and go off the hype they hear from those people as well. If people would take the time to understand the chems they want to experiment with this would be far less possible. I agree mw1 comments, I definitely don't think he is in the wrong at all. I am just saying no one on here that is knowledgeable is telling people that ostarine does not need a pct or is not supressive.
And this just goes to show you how highly individual everything is. What works for one person might not for another. But you have to educate yourself, make an informed decision, and go from there.
You will never see me claim that Ostarine isn't suppressive or capable of shutdown, nor advocating that anyone should skip PCT. In fact, I recommend that no matter the cycle everyone have an AI on hand in case of emergency. Too many claims of estrogenic side effects that were unforeseen...
Exactly. This is common knowledge.
Not on UK boards it isn't lol
Haha, for real? On the UK boards they still think Ostarine is non-suppressive and doesn't require a PCT? I wonder why that is...
These two things seem to contradict each other. In the first quote you are saying you use it in PCT. In the second one you are saying it's suppressive at only 3mg. The second quote has been proven to be true, which makes it hard to understand your reasoning in the first quote.
Nothing about that seems difficult to understand to me. In fact, I think that may be one of the best explanations for why someone would potentially use SARMS in their PCT. Obviously you've educated yourself, have an in depth understanding of the mechanisms at work, know your own body well, and feel comfortable in your decisions. Excellent post.
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