Opinions and advice on potential second PH cycle

[Gam230]

XIn January I did my first PH cycle which was halo elite from blackstone labs. I took 4 caps a day and I went up from 181-183 at the beginning to 193-195lbs at the end. Had great strength gains also. My stats now are 6'0 feet tall and 196-198lbs. For my second cycle I wanted to stack super Dmz 2.0 (blackstone) and 4-andro (iron mag labs). I want to start off with Dmz then begin 4andro at the end of the second week of Dmz.

Week 1-4
2 caps Sumer Dmz (split at different times of the day)

Week 2-6
4 caps of 4andro (two twice a day)

Pct
Week 1-5
Clomiphene 75-50-50-25-25
Nolva 40-40-20-20(only four weeks)

What kind of AI should I use for my pct, and should I use it during or after I finish the clomiphene?
Is both clomiphene and nolva overkill?
Should I use any type of estrogen blocker during the cycle?
Is running a six week ph cycle too long?
I'm looking to make some serious gains off this, at least 20lbs. Feedback would be appreciated. Also btw I'll be 22 in November.

 

[bighulksmash]

Lookks good hows your diet?

 

[LiftBigC]

Good luck with DMZ from black stone labs. There's been reports of people getting bunk prohormone from them.

 

[bighulksmash]

Good luck with DMZ from black stone labs. There's been reports of people getting bunk prohormone from them.

Yeah they sure did pump out alot of fakes . Theres still a truck full somewhere thats legit .

 

[LiftBigC]

I would like to get my hands on some legit DMZ but don't want to pay for it if it's just sugar pills.

 

[DonnieM]

Choose Nolva OR Clomid, not both.

 

[Gam230]

Lookks good hows your diet?

I try to eat mostly clean but i definitely eat some "junk" foods everyday. I'm an iifym guy, but my main goal isn't to get lean on this cycle I just want to add as much mass as possible. I'll be in taking 4000+ calories a day. At least 200g+ protein, 450g+ carbs and around 130g+fat. Will try to increase as the cycle goes on.

 

[Gam230]

Choose Nolva OR Clomid, not both.

What's your reasoning behind this? Would it be a waste of money to use both? Or would there be some type of negative side effects from using both?

 

[Gam230]

Good luck with DMZ from black stone labs. There's been reports of people getting bunk prohormone from them.

Would I be better off getting super Dmz 3.0 from iron mag labs? Is their Dmz known to be more legit? Cause I was gonna order the 4-andro off iron mag labs website and I was gonna buy the blackstone Dmz 2.0 from a supp store 15 mins away from me.

 

[Gam230]

Bump

 

[abformulations]

Iron mag labs is legit

 

[DonnieM]

What's your reasoning behind this? Would it be a waste of money to use both? Or would there be some type of negative side effects from using both?

Well, you can stack both as PCT if you want. IMO a bit overkill but maybe someone else can advice on this, as I havent ran dmz myself.
Nolva is a stronger antiestrogen. Some get less sides on Nolva also. Just a matter of personal preference.

 

[Gam230]

Well, you can stack both as PCT if you want. IMO a bit overkill but maybe someone else can advice on this, as I havent ran dmz myself.
Nolva is a stronger antiestrogen. Some get less sides on Nolva also. Just a matter of personal preference.

I used clomid 50-50-25-25 for my pct after halo elite, and didn't experience any sides except weak libido but that went back to normal after pct ended. I wanted to use nolva this time because I've read that's better at preventing gyno, and I feel i will be very gyno prone coming off of this cycle. I don't mind spending the extra cash to use both clomid and nolva.

 

[Gam230]

Iron mag labs is legit

Cool, so I'll probably just buy the iron mag labs Dmz online. Dmz 3.0 and 4-andro won't be too intense of a stack? Also, what kind of cycle support/estrogen blockers would you recommend to take during cycle?

 

[hide83]

I used clomid 50-50-25-25 for my pct after halo elite, and didn't experience any sides except weak libido but that went back to normal after pct ended. I wanted to use nolva this time because I've read that's better at preventing gyno, and I feel i will be very gyno prone coming off of this cycle. I don't mind spending the extra cash to use both clomid and nolva.

You can definitely use both. I did in this last October that I just finished since I was on a highly suppressive cycle (trest and tren). Using both Nolva and clomid has been the standard for AAS cycles for years.

 

[Gam230]

So anyone gonna give me an answer on what AI I should run, and if I should run it post pct or during oct? And the dose of AI and how long to run it.

 

[bighulksmash]

So anyone gonna give me an answer on what AI I should run, and if I should run it post pct or during oct? And the dose of AI and how long to run it.

I recommend using pes erase and reducext.

 

[Volvo140G]

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