Blood test Dr. may notice Steroid Use

[New_Jedi]

I have a wonder doctor, who will run test for me if I think I need them. Also, I have some test coming up that I have to get done, I'm trying to figure out which blood test a doctor would notice my cycle use, which will be Test E, with backup A.I. If needed and Nova and Clomid PCT.

I have CBC blood test coming up, and I know that included a red blood count. Will he notice elevated red blood cells? And if he does, how do I keep him from thinking it's my liver or Kidneys?

I also will be getting a Comprehensive Metabolic Panel. I think that checks many things, like liver enzymes. Will there be anything in there that will tip him off. I'm not taking orals, so just injectable test.

In addition, I'm thinking I want to get the Hormonal Panel for females, before, during and after. I think he'll give me it before, and I'll have a private lab do it after. Sound like a good plan.

I looked online at numerous sites, and I can't find a lot about what a doctor can tell from a CBC, or CMP blood work, when on cycle.

 

[mase1]

Your hemoglobin should be elevated? Depends, mine is usually around 20 on cycle, think high norm is 18 for my age. It is a dead give away if you are in shape to a educated dr. Everything else should be fine unless you actually have those issues.

 

[New_Jedi]

Your hemoglobin should be elevated? Depends, mine is usually around 20 on cycle, think high norm is 18 for my age. It is a dead give away if you are in shape to a educated dr. Everything else should be fine unless you actually have those issues.

Thank you. And if I have them, then I may as well come clean, huh. What about RBC, does that indicate anything?

 

[mase1]

I don't........ yours might not be elevated. You get the results you don't need 2 sit with the Dr to discuss them. Don't over think it.

 

[New_Jedi]

Your right about that, I do over think it.

 

[bighulksmash]

Your right about that, I do over think it.

how long have you been off ?

 

[New_Jedi]

I haven't even started my cycle. I'll be getting the rest while on cycle, which is why I wanted to know. I know the hormonal test will show changes for sure. The test will skyrocket.

 

[T-Bone]

Why are you worried about this?. I mean so what if the doctor notices this.

 

[JG93]

Does it matter if the doctor knows if your on roids?
Couldn't that help in the long run? Say you get into a situation and need immediate help, the doctor already knows?
Doctor client privilege...?
Just a question.
Thanks

 

[bighulksmash]

I haven't even started my cycle. I'll be getting the rest while on cycle, which is why I wanted to know. I know the hormonal test will show changes for sure. The test will skyrocket.

how old are you wahts your bmi ?

 

[New_Jedi]

Why are you worried about this?. I mean so what if the doctor notices this.

Nothing probably, but I'd rather he not give me a lecture. If it was my family doctor, it wouldn't be as bad. I don't want him to kick me from the practice.

Does it matter if the doctor knows if your on roids?
Couldn't that help in the long run? Say you get into a situation and need immediate help, the doctor already knows?
Doctor client privilege...?
Just a question.
Thanks

It's a valid question, and to a certain extent yea. However, he isn't my family doc, who is gone for a little while. If he refuses to treat me, I have to get another doctor, and insurance companies in the states makes that a daunting task.

 

[JG93]

Nothing probably, but I'd rather he not give me a lecture. If it was my family doctor, it wouldn't be as bad. I don't want him to kick me from the practice.



It's a valid question, and to a certain extent yea. However, he isn't my family doc, who is gone for a little while. If he refuses to treat me, I have to get another doctor, and insurance companies in the states makes that a daunting task.

Depending on what you are taking, he could possibly not refuse you.
Insurance is wacky.
I have a close friend that is a doctor, I'm going to ask him. I'll get back with you

 

[New_Jedi]

Depending on what you are taking, he could possibly not refuse you.
Insurance is wacky.
I have a close friend that is a doctor, I'm going to ask him. I'll get back with you

Oh my, that would be sweet. I am forever in your debt.

 

[anabolix]

Thank you. And if I have them, then I may as well come clean, huh. What about RBC, does that indicate anything?

All you need to do is give some blood, then you will be gtg as far as elevated rbc's are concerned..easy fix. Lh and fsh, however, will be abnormally low and would be more worrisome for me. There isn't a way around this that i know of.

 

[bighulksmash]

All you need to do is give some blood, then you will be gtg as far as elevated rbc's are concerned..easy fix. Lh and fsh, however, will be abnormally low and would be more worrisome for me. There isn't a way around this that i know of.

thats what got me caught in 2010

 

[JG93]

Oh my, that would be sweet. I am forever in your debt.

Waiting on response, he is on duty right now

 

[JG93]

Ok so I got an answer
My question was "could a doctor refuse to see me if he knew I was on steroids"

 

[JG93]

Doctors answer: "Depends on the drug policy of the office. But yes pending his views on seeing people. Some might view it as something that is considered a drug under his policy. Others may not. It may come across as a hypothetical question. Your friend at the gym is advancing much faster than you.....blah blah blah. You were considering and wanted his thought and so on. If you want to find out. Just be careful it doesn't start triggering drug tests on you for suspicion pending his offices policy but that is something that normally wouldn't be tested for and discharged by a doctor. They mostly look for narcotics and hard drugs to kick people out"

 

[New_Jedi]

All you need to do is give some blood, then you will be gtg as far as elevated rbc's are concerned..easy fix. Lh and fsh, however, will be abnormally low and would be more worrisome for me. There isn't a way around this that i know of.

LH and fsh are part of which test? If it is the hormonal test, actually, the “Hormone Panel for Females” test, my doctor will only see the one done before I start cycle. I want to use that for baseline. And after cycle and PTC, I plan on getting it again, if something is extremely off, I may show him then. Are those part of that test, or the CBC and CMP.

thats what got me caught in 2010

What did your doctor do? I know he cannot turn you in.

 

[New_Jedi]

Doctors answer: "Depends on the drug policy of the office. But yes pending his views on seeing people. Some might view it as something that is considered a drug under his policy. Others may not. It may come across as a hypothetical question. Your friend at the gym is advancing much faster than you.....blah blah blah. You were considering and wanted his thought and so on. If you want to find out. Just be careful it doesn't start triggering drug tests on you for suspicion pending his offices policy but that is something that normally wouldn't be tested for and discharged by a doctor. They mostly look for narcotics and hard drugs to kick people out”

Oh, good. I don’t do anything like that. I am just trying to cycle to try it really. I mean I have low T, and gaining muscle has been slow because of it. And cutting to lose body fat is almost impossible. What happens is I start to also lose all the muscle I worked so hard to gain. I guess this is the life of a lower T dude. My first cycle is sensible and I think I got a solid backup plan. I have Nova and Clomid, and I will also have Stane on hand.

 

[bighulksmash]

LH and fish are part of which test? If it is the hormonal test, actually, the “Hormone Panel for Females” test, my doctor will only see the one done before I start cycle. I want to use that for baseline. And after cycle and PTC, I plan on getting it again, if something is extremely off, I may show him then. Are those part of that test, or the CBC and CMP.




What did your doctor do? I know he cannot turn you in.

he confronted me about my usage and i had a huge blow out they called the cops and i can never go back there again . fsh folice stimulating hormone lh lutenizing hormone . ita what tells the testys to produce test and sperm . using to many ph/ds/aas can cause ur body to stop making test so thats wat pct is for . clomid to restart natty test production n nolva if u start getting lumps in ya chest or boobs .

 

[New_Jedi]

All you need to do is give some blood, then you will be gtg as far as elevated rbc's are concerned..easy fix. Lh and fsh, however, will be abnormally low and would be more worrisome for me. There isn't a way around this that i know of.

Oh, and I will be giving blood for the test. The three I have planned at a private lab, and I think Once for the CBC and one for the CMP. Those are really ordered to make sure I am save, but my doctor doesn’t know why I really want them. I am trying my best to do this first cycle in a safe and controlled manner.

 

[Big_sxc]

Here in Australia in go to the doctor. Tell them I'm on roids. Take drugs etc whatever. U request whatever test you want. There here to help us. I hate **** doctors. Sure she tells me I look good blah blah don't need it but it's all what we want. We pay 90 dollars a consult. Get 66% back and all pathology is free. Medicare or govt healthcare is around 550 a year taken out of your tax return. So now I go there an ask her whatever. I told her I was gonna start teen and that I have high bp naturally. She prescribed and gave me 5 rpts for blood pressure meds. But as soom as in told her I wanted trt she was haooy with my abnormally low levels and refused it. Got another doc for that anywho.

America seems to b going backwards here.

 

[New_Jedi]

Here in Australia in go to the doctor. Tell them I'm on roids. Take drugs etc whatever. U request whatever test you want. There here to help us. I hate **** doctors. Sure she tells me I look good blah blah don't need it but it's all what we want. We pay 90 dollars a consult. Get 66% back and all pathology is free. Medicare or govt healthcare is around 550 a year taken out of your tax return. So now I go there an ask her whatever. I told her I was gonna start teen and that I have high bp naturally. She prescribed and gave me 5 rpts for blood pressure meds. But as soom as in told her I wanted trt she was haooy with my abnormally low levels and refused it. Got another doc for that anywho.

America seems to b going backwards here.

I know, our right wing zing nuts hate everyone. No healthcare for poor, hate gays, keep blacks from voting. Drug laws encourage crime. No funding for roads. Unlimited money funneled into elections. Guns all over the place.

People get life in prison for nonviolent crimes. More people in prison that any nation in the world.

We are so uneducated that people don't know the difference between socialism and Nazi Germany's. They actually will spout off things like Marx was a socialist. Talk about voting against your own interest.

I just got back from the Netherlands. I've seen socialism work. They have cops that don't need guns. America is just backwards. It's a oligarchy.

Not meaning to get political, but it's unbelievable. We having mass shooting every other day.

 

[anabolix]

I know, our right wing zing nuts hate everyone. No healthcare for poor, hate gays, keep blacks from voting. Drug laws encourage crime. No funding for roads. Unlimited money funneled into elections. Guns all over the place.

People get life in prison for nonviolent crimes. More people in prison that any nation in the world.

We are so uneducated that people don't know the difference between socialism and Nazi Germany's. They actually will spout off things like Marx was a socialist. Talk about voting against your own interest.

I just got back from the Netherlands. I've seen socialism work. They have cops that don't need guns. America is just backwards. It's a oligarchy.

Not meaning to get political, but it's unbelievable. We having mass shooting every other day.

Oh wow, where's the dislike button? Id suggest moving to the Netherlands then. You can take your reverse hate and bigotism with you too.

 

[New_Jedi]

Oh wow, where's the dislike button? Id suggest moving to the Netherlands then. You can take your reverse hate and bigotism with you too.

Reverse hate? Bigotism! For one, why can't I want what is best for my country and fight for it. Right wingers always say, we'll move. Umm, hello, America was founded on progressive ideals. The founding fathers fought against the Tories, which were conservative. Two, what is so wrong with saying Netherlands does stuff right. Have you been there? Have you seen every street being paved. Every person having what they need. Lack of the kind of violence we have in the states,

Reverse hate? Are you kidding, I fight for social justice. I want equality for minorities. Nothing I said was out of line. Americans are vastly uneducated about sociology and politics. It's a fact. Our gun laws are primitive and crazy. We have more people in prisons than all other Western Nations combined.

Reagan's voodoo economics, trickle down, has been a proven failure repeatedly,

Instead of overnight fallacies, why not debate the issues.

If all you have is generalized negatives, then it's gonna get a short debate. There is a reason most of the modern world looks at America like, how can the most prosperous nation in the world offer no health insurance for most people, have drug laws that have been proven ineffective (as in trillions spent, and all we got was an entire generation in prison for nonviolent offenses, no reduction in drug use levels, nothing positive at all).

How can the so-called world democratic republican hand over power to big businesses and the top few, by opening up unlimited outside spending in elections.

The difference between liberals and conservatives, we don't blindly consider critiquing our own country as unpatriotic.

True patriotism is admitting what is messed up about your country, and fighting to fix it. Not following a flag that belonged to traitors who attempted to rip the union apart.

 

[T-Bone]

I thought this was the anabolics section, NOT the politics section.

 

[New_Jedi]

I thought this was the anabolics section, NOT the politics section.

It sure is, but one person makes a comment about politics, even as pertained to anabolics, and one thing leads to another. Then people start throwing around the fallacious, well if you don't like the nation leave, as if people can just pop up and leave. The original point was, in countries like U.K. Or Australia, the healthcare system and government have sensible policies that deal with drug use. In the U.S., we just jail people, sometimes for most of their adult life, all because of drug use. That point would surely lead to, yes, the government jacks all policy up. I will always defend my position when someone attacks me instead of my position.

 

[bighulksmash]

rawwwwwwhide !

 

[anabolix]

I know, our right wing zing nuts hate everyone. No healthcare for poor, hate gays, keep blacks from voting. Drug laws encourage crime. No funding for roads. Unlimited money funneled into elections. Guns all over the place.

Attacks you?? You were the one attacking lol! Right wing zing nuts? Hate gays? Keeps black people from voting? Ok guy. You are mis informed on many historical issues apparently. Not everyone wants to live in a socialist country, sorry buddy.

 

[New_Jedi]

Attacks you?? You were the one attacking lol! Right wing zing nuts? Hate gays? Keeps black people from voting? Ok guy. You are mis informed on many historical issues apparently. Not everyone wants to live in a socialist country, sorry buddy.

Pointing out the policies of right wingers is hardly attacking anyone. You all are quite literally trying to keep minorities from voting. I know, it's about voter fraud. Except the amount of fraud isn't so low that it doesn't warrant the amount of minorities and poor that won't have I.D.'s, you all know that.

Historical issues, really! For one, dude, I have a BA in Political Science. I know you won't believe it, but it's true. Go take some history lessons yourself, maybe you'll find out Fox News is bent.

Two, not everyone wants too, no. But when you ask most if they want to get rid of socialist policies, the vast majority say no. Which was my point, most don't even know what socialism is.

Here are some socialist things they love: social security, Medicaid, work laws (chick labor, min wage, 40 hour work week, overtime, etc), Military/Defense, Highways/Roads, Public Libraries, Police, Fire Dept, Postal Service, Student Loans and Grants, all public infrastructure such as highways and bridges, Garbage Collection, Public Landfills, Farm Subsidies, CIA, FBI, Congressional Health Care, Polio Vaccine - In the 1950's polio ravaged the United States, EPA, Museums, Public Schools, Jail/Prison System, National Weather Service, Public Parks, Veteran's (VA) Health Care, Sewer System, National Weather Service, G.I. Bill, City/Metro Buses, State/City Zoos, FDA , State Snow Removal, Unemployment Insurance, Amtrak, Department of Education, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,Public Street Lighting, The Department of Homeland Security, OSHA, State and National Monuments, Customs and Border Protection, etc.

If you'd like I'll name 100 more forms of socialism in the United States. Probably us, right wingers have somehow tricked people into believing certain things are socialism, and some are inherently American.

Gun manufacturing says its American to flood the streets with guns.

Corporate America has deemed it America to flood all the national wealth into the hands of a very few already wealthy class of people.

Republicans have decided that a for profit military system is best. No wonder why we are always at war. Every time we go to war, the military industrial complex rakes in billions.

Someone is selling us bombs, guns, tanks, etc.

Our prisons, for profit. No wonder why our drug laws are outrageous. Big money.

 

[New_Jedi]

Attacks you?? You were the one attacking lol! Right wing zing nuts? Hate gays? Keeps black people from voting? Ok guy. You are mis informed on many historical issues apparently. Not everyone wants to live in a socialist country, sorry buddy.

By the way, you were not even part of the conversation. You can't cry about something that wasn't even said to you. And I attacked your position direct, not you personal. Especially since you hadn't even existed.

 

[anabolix]

Pointing out the policies of right wingers is hardly attacking anyone. You all are quite literally trying to keep minorities from voting. I know, it's about voter fraud. Except the amount of fraud isn't so low that it doesn't warrant the amount of minorities and poor that won't have I.D.'s, you all know that.

Historical issues, really! For one, dude, I have a BA in Political Science. I know you won't believe it, but it's true. Go take some history lessons yourself, maybe you'll find out Fox News is bent.

Two, not everyone wants too, no. But when you ask most if they want to get rid of socialist policies, the vast majority say no. Which was my point, most don't even know what socialism is.

Here are some socialist things they love: social security, Medicaid, work laws (chick labor, min wage, 40 hour work week, overtime, etc), Military/Defense, Highways/Roads, Public Libraries, Police, Fire Dept, Postal Service, Student Loans and Grants, all public infrastructure such as highways and bridges, Garbage Collection, Public Landfills, Farm Subsidies, CIA, FBI, Congressional Health Care, Polio Vaccine - In the 1950's polio ravaged the United States, EPA, Museums, Public Schools, Jail/Prison System, National Weather Service, Public Parks, Veteran's (VA) Health Care, Sewer System, National Weather Service, G.I. Bill, City/Metro Buses, State/City Zoos, FDA , State Snow Removal, Unemployment Insurance, Amtrak, Department of Education, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,Public Street Lighting, The Department of Homeland Security, OSHA, State and National Monuments, Customs and Border Protection, etc.

If you'd like I'll name 100 more forms of socialism in the United States. Probably us, right wingers have somehow tricked people into believing certain things are socialism, and some are inherently American.

Gun manufacturing says its American to flood the streets with guns.

Corporate America has deemed it America to flood all the national wealth into the hands of a very few already wealthy class of people.

Republicans have decided that a for profit military system is best. No wonder why we are always at war. Every time we go to war, the military industrial complex rakes in billions.

Someone is selling us bombs, guns, tanks, etc.

Our prisons, for profit. No wonder why our drug laws are outrageous. Big money.

This isn't the time or place, but I just had to point out that your mistaken and holier than thou pov is insulting and just plain wrong. It's safe to say that I probably don't agree with anything you are saying. I can't stand it when left wingers use the childish tactic of calling everyone who doesn't see things their way a bigot, or racist. I would expect more from a "big" political science major lol. I'm glad you displayed the tolerance that those of your view point keep preaching. You know, the "one way street" kind that doesn't extend towards other views. And when I said that if you like socialism, which you claim to, then why don't you move. That wasn't a jab at you, so quit whining, it was a serious recommendation. We were not founded on socialism, we are not a socialist country and I want no part of that personally. Rather than coming onto a BODYBUILDING forum, speaking pompously as if your views are the correct views for everybody, and suggesting we turn our country into something it's not...well it might just be easier to go live somewhere that's more inline with your views. Oh and welcome to the forum new political jedi.

 

[New_Jedi]

This isn't the time or place, but I just had to point out that your mistaken and holier than thou pov is insulting and just plain wrong. It's safe to say that I probably don't agree with anything you are saying. I can't stand it when left wingers use the childish tactic of calling everyone who doesn't see things their way a bigot, or racist. I would expect more from a "big" political science major lol. I'm glad you displayed the tolerance that those of your view point keep preaching. You know, the "one way street" kind that doesn't extend towards other views. And when I said that if you like socialism, which you claim to, then why don't you move. That wasn't a jab at you, so quit whining, it was a serious recommendation. We were not founded on socialism, we are not a socialist country and I want no part of that personally. Rather than coming onto a BODYBUILDING forum, speaking pompously as if your views are the correct views for everybody, and suggesting we turn our country into something it's not...well it might just be easier to go live somewhere that's more inline with your views. Oh and welcome to the forum new political jedi.

Yet, you seem bent on debating something. OK, smart guy, why don't you start by looking up the term fallacy, because your diatribe is full of them. I have every right to want to see my country follow in the footsteps of the Netherlands. The most basic political argument is to tell opposition to move. Except liberals fought the conservatives to free the colonies from England, and progressives like Lincoln, both Roosevelt, Wilson, etc built a nice thing. Until Reaganomic, what did that do. You'd be surprised if you really looked.

I started the thread, I'll talk about what I want. And if it's not the time and place, then why are you commenting? This thread didn't start about politics, but it came up, there is no reason a discussion can't be had.

You talk about tolerance, but that doesn't include excepting the beliefs of others when they are harmful of certain people. So cool, you want to define marriage as between a man & women, but that's discrimination, and policy a policy that has been official deemed unconstitutional. By definition, intolerant.

But like I said, I wasn't having a conversation with you, I was having it with someone else. You don't like it, don't read it. Don't insert yourself into the conversation,

Plus, gain some basic knowledge of the founding of the U.S., read "Young Patriots," it's a great start. Or just keep on being spoon fed by Fox News, whatever. I don't care, because you wouldn't know what to do without the social policies we have.

Be honest with yourself, count the number of socialist policies that you specifically benefit from. There is a word for that.

And remember, conservatives have fought every great thing this nation has done, abolition of slavery, women's suffrage, labor laws, direct democracy, civil rights, etc. the list goes on. What did you guys offer this country, trickle down and endless wars, the war on drugs.

And now you want to make us the laughing stock of the world with Donald Trump. Geez, what is next. And since when do conservatives feel we are not socialist!

 

[bighulksmash]

Yet, you seem bent on debating something. OK, smart guy, why don't you start by looking up the term fallacy, because your diatribe is full of them. I have every right to want to see my country follow in the footsteps of the Netherlands. The most basic political argument is to tell opposition to move. Except liberals fought the conservatives to free the colonies from England, and progressives like Lincoln, both Roosevelt, Wilson, etc built a nice thing. Until Reaganomic, what did that do. You'd be surprised if you really looked.

I started the thread, I'll talk about what I want. And if it's not the time and place, then why are you commenting? This thread didn't start about politics, but it came up, there is no reason a discussion can't be had.

You talk about tolerance, but that doesn't include excepting the beliefs of others when they are harmful of certain people. So cool, you want to define marriage as between a man & women, but that's discrimination, and policy a policy that has been official deemed unconstitutional. By definition, intolerant.

But like I said, I wasn't having a conversation with you, I was having it with someone else. You don't like it, don't read it. Don't insert yourself into the conversation,

Plus, gain some basic knowledge of the founding of the U.S., read "Young Patriots," it's a great start. Or just keep on being spoon fed by Fox News, whatever. I don't care, because you wouldn't know what to do without the social policies we have.

Be honest with yourself, count the number of socialist policies that you specifically benefit from. There is a word for that.

And remember, conservatives have fought every great thing this nation has done, abolition of slavery, women's suffrage, labor laws, direct democracy, civil rights, etc. the list goes on. What did you guys offer this country, trickle down and endless wars, the war on drugs.

And now you want to make us the laughing stock of the world with Donald Trump. Geez, what is next.

Hey yo where you from again ? Rocky balboa said chill out ok

 

[New_Jedi]

I'm chill, just calmly answering my apparent antagonist. As soon as he just disappears from my tapatalk update, I'd never again feel the need to respond his jabs.

 

[anabolix]

I'm chill, just calmly answering my apparent antagonist. As soon as he just disappears from my tapatalk update, I'd never again feel the need to respond his jabs.

What?? The only reason i commented was because of YOUR jabs. Why all the projection in your posts? Very narcissistic-like. You're a trip. Carry on spewing your hate..

 

[bighulksmash]

New_Jedi & anabolix so much love ... come guys shake hands and hug good night !!

 

[New_Jedi]

Dude, I didn't know you existed. I was talking to someone else, you chimed in, like you just did.

Maybe you should go back and refresh your memory. I didn't ask you to chime in, but as long as you do, I'll correct the nonsense you offer.

I get it, conservative love to say others hate. Except I don't even hate conservatives, but I won't deny that the policies you all support have traditionally been intolerant. Abolition, women right, gay rights, every civil rights fight in the last 200 years conservatives opposed. Do you want me to just chalk it up to differences in opinion?

It's not, it's ideology and fear, and oftentimes hate. It's why Donald Trump can spew racist rhetoric and shoot to the top, because conservatives tend to fear the others. My god, look what you all did to the First Black U.S. President, he had to show his birth certificate, because you all couldn't except he was American.

 

[New_Jedi]

New_Jedi & anabolix so much love ... come guys shake hands and hug good night !!

You say you party isn't fueled by hate, fine. But this kind of stuff says different.

A conservative called the Supreme Court gay marriage decision the darkest day in American history.

Darker than 9/11, Pearl Harbor, the Civil War battles such as Gettysburg, the assassination of the man who preserved the union.

What fuels such a statement then?

 

[bighulksmash]

Dude, I didn't know you existed. I was talking to someone else, you chimed in, like you just did.

Maybe you should go back and refresh your memory. I didn't ask you to chime in, but as long as you do, I'll correct the nonsense you offer.

I get it, conservative love to say others hate. Except I don't even hate conservatives, but I won't deny that the policies you all support have traditionally been intolerant. Abolition, women right, gay rights, every civil rights fight in the last 200 years conservatives opposed. Do you want me to just chalk it up to differences in opinion?

It's not, it's ideology and fear, and oftentimes hate. It's why Donald Trump can spew racist rhetoric and shoot to the top, because conservatives tend to fear the others. My god, look what you all did to the First Black U.S. President, he had to show his birth certificate, because you all couldn't except he was American.

We have a political section on AM. Bigots are welcome. Sleep well jedi.

 

[bighulksmash]

You say you party isn't fueled by hate, fine. But this kind of stuff says different.

A conservative called the Supreme Court gay marriage decision the darkest day in American history.

Darker than 9/11, Pearl Harbor, the Civil War battles such as Gettysburg, the assassination of the man who preserved the union.

What fuels such a statement then?

Dude know your facts Obama was not born in Hawaii. He was born in Kenya. Hes a good president. I personally like his style of democratic diplomatic diligence

 

[New_Jedi]

We have a political section on AM. Bigots are welcome. Sleep well jedi.

you mean it's full of right wingers then.

 

[New_Jedi]

Dude know your facts Obama was not born in Hawaii. He was born in Kenya. Hes a good president. I personally like his style of democratic diplomatic diligence

Dude, no he wasn't. Me, or anyone of my Co-workers would have won the Pulitzer Prize if we could have proven that. Thank about it, if a normal citizen could prove it, then the news media would of too. It would drive ratings like no story in history.

If President Clinton could not hide fellatio with an intern, do you think Obama could hide being born in another country, in direct violation of the natural-born citizen eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution. The profit a story like that would drive the news media would be unprecedented.

 

[hewhoisripped]

To OP. things that will give away usage are: test (duh), LH/FSH, (very high) estrogen, ****ed up lipids, high blood pressure. Anything else (liver enzymes, kidney markers, etc.) could be caused by dehydration, a couple beers, etc.

 

[New_Jedi]

To OP. things that will give away usage are: test (duh), LH/FSH, (very high) estrogen, ****ed up lipids, high blood pressure. Anything else (liver enzymes, kidney markers, etc.) could be caused by dehydration, a couple beers, etc.

Sweet, back to the real question. Thank you. So do those things absolutely change, or only under negative reactions?

 

[T-Bone]

You say you party isn't fueled by hate, fine. But this kind of stuff says different.

A conservative called the Supreme Court gay marriage decision the darkest day in American history.

Darker than 9/11, Pearl Harbor, the Civil War battles such as Gettysburg, the assassination of the man who preserved the union.

What fuels such a statement then?

It was the darkest day in history. I agree!. I have no tolerance for you so I thought I'd chime in and say so.

 

[T-Bone]

you mean it's full of right wingers then.

You don't like it, don't let the door hit you on the ass when you leave.

 

[bighulksmash]

You don't like it, don't let the door hit you on the ass when you leave.

https:// youtu.be/hDYfaR9TdzI

 

[hewhoisripped]

With the exception of estrogen (which could be kept in the normal range), chances are all of those will change for you. Whether they get so messed up that your doc will freak out or only change a bit is dependant on your physiology and medical history, so I can't say