- 04-13-2005, 10:33 AM
- 04-13-2005, 10:39 AM
Originally Posted by NickW
- 04-13-2005, 11:05 AM
I'll see if I can dig up a post from another place that may give some good info on this.
04-13-2005, 11:12 AM
Good, since the link acquired during my search of this board provided some numbers that were way off
04-13-2005, 11:15 AM
I started front loading the first week at 100 EOD and by the third Inject. I was rockin and had to kick it back!! so for me about 3-4 days. :-)
04-13-2005, 11:19 AM
Here's one of the profiles I have on Tren Ace:
Active Life: Around 2 days
Drug Class: Anabolic/Androgenic Steroid (for injection)
Average Dose: Men 75 mg every day or two days
Water Retention: No
High Blood Pressure: Yes
Liver Toxic: Yes,debatable
DHT Conversion: No
Decrease HPTA function: Yes, moderate to extreme
Trenbolone is a very potent androgen with strong anabolic activity. It is well suited for the rapid buildup of strength and muscle mass, usually providing the user exceptional results in a relatively short time period. The anabolic effect of this drug is often compared to popular bulking agents such as testosterone or Dianabol, with one very important difference. Trenbolone does not convert to estrogen. This is indeed a very unique compound since mass drugs, almost as a rule, will aromatize (or cause other estrogen related troubles) heavily. When we think of taking milder (regarding estrogen) steroids we usually expect much weaker muscle growth, but not so with Trenbolone. Here we do not have to worry about estrogen related side effects, yet still have an extremely potent mass/strength drug. There is no noticeable water retention, so the mass gained during a cycle of Trenbolone will be very hard and defined (providing fat levels are low enough). Gynecomastia is also not much of a concern, so there shouldn't be any need to addition an anti-estrogen if trenbolone is the only steroid administered.
The high androgen level resulting from this steroid, in the absence is excess estrogen, can also accelerate the burning of body fat. The result should be a much tighter physique, hopefully without the need for extreme dieting. Trenbolone can therefore help bring about an incredibly hard, ripped physique and is an ideal product for competitive bodybuilders.
Trenbolone is notably more potent than testosterone, and has an effect that is as much as three times as strong on a milligram for milligram basis. Likewise we can expect to see some level of androgenic side effects with use of this compound. Oily skin, aggressive behavior, acne and hair loss are therefore not uncommon during a cycle with this steroid. The androgenic nature of this drug of course makes it a very risky item for women to use, the chance for virilization symptoms extremely high with such a potent androgen.
Trenbolone is also much more potent than testosterone at suppressing endogenous androgen production. This makes clear the fact that estrogen is not the only culprit with negative feedback inhibition, as here there is no buildup of this hormone to report here. There is however some activity as a progestin inherent in this compound, as trenbolone is a 19-nortestosterone (nandrolone) derivative (a trait characteristic of these compounds). However it seems likely that much of its suppressive nature still stems from its powerful androgen action. With the strong impact trenbolone has on endogenous testosterone, of course the use of a stimulating drug such as HCG and/or Clomid/Nolvadex is recommended when concluding steroid therapy (a combination is preferred). Without their use it may take a prolonged period of time for the hormonal balance to resume, as the testes may at first not be able to normally respond to the resumed output of endogenous gonadotropins due to an atrophied state. Those who have used Trenbolone regularly would often claim it to be indispensable. A daily dosage of 37.5-75 mg is the most popular range when running a cycle. While Trenbolone is quite potent when used alone, it was generally combined with other steroids for an even greater effect. During a cutting phase one could add a non-aromatizing anabolic such as Winstrol or Primobolan. Such combinations will elicit a greater level density and hardness to the muscle. One could also bulk with this drug, with the addition of stronger compounds like Dianabol or Testosterone. While the mass gain would be quite formidable with such a stack, some level of water retention would probably also accompany it. Moderately effective anabolics such Deca-Durabolin or Equipoise would be somewhat of a halfway point, providing extra strength and mass but without the same level of water bloat we see with more readily aromatized steroids.
Here's the detection time:
Trenbolone Acetate (Fina)
Click HERE for a thread on detection times I contributed to.
04-13-2005, 12:53 PM
Thanks a ton guys, this has helped a lot
04-14-2005, 09:36 AM
I know the general concensus would be to use test at the base of any cycle however I would like to know if one were looking for a dry stack w/ minimal or no sides in regards to water and salt retention, could equipoise and tren be used as a combo? I know the risk of HPTA being shut down, however would using cialis, nolvadex, and/or Rebound XT during this cycle be a sufficient replacement for test in aiding the HPTA?Originally Posted by Cuffs
04-14-2005, 09:47 AM
you COULD do that but it really isn't recommended
following a GOOD clean diet and using test prop you should have very little water retention .. if there is any an AI will get rid of it right away
WHY NOT use test? makes you feel great, keeps the libido up, makes for an easier recovery .. assuming you run it past the tren
and no eq would not be a substitute .. it will do nothing as far as making you feel great or keeping the libido up
04-14-2005, 09:56 AM
I reading about prop now. My misinformation..I was thinking that prop was similar to enathate and cypionate with its ability to increase unwanted bloat etc. My hopes are to limit myself to two compounds and be happy.Originally Posted by glenihan
Good stuff. Thanks for your reply.
06-01-2009, 01:20 PM
Off the bat im just looking for proper dosages, I am 31yrs old, been lifting for about 3 yr, i am 207lbs 5'11'' and 13% body fat. I have been contemplating gear for the last ten yrs. i feel i now have a sufficient enough base to chisel something out. I have a strict cardio and diet plan i will adhere to, Please i know all of the reasons not to do what i'm about to ask but please just help me dose if you can. I have tren ace and winstrol ONLY, and that's ALL i will do this 1st time. I would like to do a short cycle(5-8) weeks. I am fully aware of that my gains will be minimal given that amount of time. I just want to see if i can handle it, and if so ill probaly do a more logical(longer with a bulking agent) cycle over the winter. I also have a preexisting(genetic) gyno problem just to put that out there so any pct would be appreciated also
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