On forever?

[R1187]

If gains can be more easily kept between cycles, T-levels never drop, libido is always good, no need to take SERM drugs, easier on the body, etc.....why would anyone cycle off when you could stay on 250mg testosterone year-round?

It can't be because of cost because a 10ml vial of test costs $40 tops, and that lasts 10 weeks at 250mg, so you can stay on for less than $300 a year.

So again why bother coming off??? Why worry about becoming "dependent" on testosterone when it's so cheap and you can reap all these benefits???

Is 250mg year-round enough to cause health issues?

 

[mixedup]

There is alot of things to consider remember in the U S . Testosterone is a scheduled substance and 40 bucks isn't what you pay for a prescription. So many people don't want to become criminals risking family careers propety. Maybe your single fall in love want kids you been running your 250mg a week now you got fertility issues. Say you do have kids ad a new parent are you willing to keep illegal substances in your house. Are you willing to risk continued deliveries and having Dea bust down your door?
The choice isn't just it's cheap and has benefits

 

[Dma378]

But to answer the question itself, I think it is the way to go if you are willing to sacrifice your HPTA function in the long term. I made the decision at the end of my last cycle (which just ended last week) to stay on 250mg/week until my next cycle which will blast off in December. For the exact reasons you stated. Why bother trying to recover when you're just going to do it again in a few months anyways? I'm 37, have 4 kids (and a vasectomy), and see TRT as my fate anyways. It is the game I play and the lifestyle I have committed myself to. So I absolutely find it not only more beneficial for keeping gains, but for avoiding the hormonal roller-coaster that is PCT.

If I was 25-30 years old, I may think differently. And probably should.

 

[mixedup]

Baaaah to 250mg dma......... be like mixed up

 

[Dma378]

But good Test at 250mg/week will still have your Total Test close to 2000, so hardly a TRT dose.

 

[Dma378]

Baaaah to 250mg dma......... be like mixed up

He did make the point of health concerns. Sure some people never come off 500, but all the negatives maintain as well...cholesterol, prostate, etc.

 

[mixedup]

He did make the point of health concerns. Sure some people never come off 500, but all the negatives maintain as well...cholesterol, prostate, etc.

You healthy people lol. But honestly 250mg is a great dose yr round for 95% of people. I'm stuck with bigorexia I want the Rock to say damn mixedup what you running???

 

[warbird01]

Even 250mg of test per week elevates your risk of things like cancer. No one who blasts and cruise want to admit it but it's the cold hard truth.

Risk/reward thing. Worth it for some people.

 

[kisaj]

You guys are insane thinking you can or should run 250mg for the rest of your (short) lives.

 

[mixedup]

You guys are insane thinking you can or should run 250mg for the rest of your (short) lives.

I've seen trt doses of 200mg ew prescribed by endocrinologist

 

[kisaj]

That means nothing. There can be specific cases and times that is done, but that is far from a recommended or even normal practice. On top of that, it is monitored with all other hormone levels (or at least better be) and is not someone just randomly deciding to run that for life.

 

[Dma378]

I guess just to clarify my responses in this thread, I don't necessarily plan on using that dose for life. Just between a blast or 2. As I said, 250 should have your levels around 2000, hardly a TRT dose.

Totally agree that that is not a long term good idea. Just hoping to reach my bodybuilding goals with this regiment in the short term. And it will probably make my case stronger when I do come off to be an actual candidate for TRT!!

 

[mixedup]

That means nothing. There can be specific cases and times that is done, but that is far from a recommended or even normal practice. On top of that, it is monitored with all other hormone levels (or at least better be) and is not someone just randomly deciding to run that for life.

I agree I am heavily monitored full hormonal and metabolic minimum 2x a year. If I come off I'd probablly be in the low 200s

 

[kisaj]

I guess just to clarify my responses in this thread, I don't necessarily plan on using that dose for life. Just between a blast or 2. As I said, 250 should have your levels around 2000, hardly a TRT dose.

Totally agree that that is not a long term good idea. Just hoping to reach my bodybuilding goals with this regiment in the short term. And it will probably make my case stronger when I do come off to be an actual candidate for TRT!!

Gotcha, then on your clarification, I agree.

 

[SquatsAndOats]

Doesn't progesterone shut down while on aas? It's something that was brought up a while ago but progesterone is responsible for a lot of important roles if I remember correctly.

 

[bad rad]

But good Test at 250mg/week will still have your Total Test close to 2000, so hardly a TRT dose.

300mg weekly TRT only gets me to slightly over half that. This is pharm test too. In research that same 300mg gets the average male into the 1700's. Drug response is very individual.

Looking back I wish I had blasted and cruised when younger. I ended up ong TRT anyway, had kids on it and always got injured when off.

 

[Whacked]

Even 250mg of test per week elevates your risk of things like cancer. No one who blasts and cruise want to admit it but it's the cold hard truth.

Risk/reward thing. Worth it for some people.

Since when? Not to be a jerk at all but I thought the causal relationship between Test and cancer has been debunked?

 

[Whacked]

I've seen trt doses of 200mg ew prescribed by endocrinologist

Yup.
I respect Kisaj as he always sides with caution but I don't think 250 is a big deal. I think for some it can be done w/o many issues.

The user needs to be diligent and monitor. In some, sure, it will mess the person up endocrinologicaly Im not don't disputing that one bit.

 

[Dma378]

300mg weekly TRT only gets me to slightly over half that. This is pharm test too. In research that same 300mg gets the average male into the 1700's. Drug response is very individual.

Looking back I wish I had blasted and cruised when younger. I ended up ong TRT anyway, had kids on it and always got injured when off.

Very good point right there. It is very individual, but at 300 to only reach 1700 seems awfully low. Even for ugl Test. I'm strictly going by the many bloods I have seen posted. I have never gotten my own. I kind of see an average of 7-8 times the dosage amount is what the Total Test tends to be.

 

[mixedup]

Very good point right there. It is very individual, but at 300 to only reach 1700 seems awfully low. Even for ugl Test. I'm strictly going by the many bloods I have seen posted. I have never gotten my own. I kind of see an average of 7-8 times the dosage amount is what the Total Test tends to be.

I think most bloods you have seen in healthy males those who are clinically low t may need extra

 

[R1187]

I am 31.

Just want to purse my BB'ing goals in my 30's.

So theoretically, I should be relatively safe on 250mg/week for a period of some years?

I mean look at all the pro BB'ers who have been in the game for 10+ years, I'm sure they never came off test and it seems only the 300lb+ guys end up dying occasionally.

 

[mixedup]

I am 31.

Just want to purse my BB'ing goals in my 30's.

So theoretically, I should be relatively safe on 250mg/week for a period of some years?

I mean look at all the pro BB'ers who have been in the game for 10+ years, I'm sure they never came off test and it seems only the 300lb+ guys end up dying occasionally.

What,r u goals? If your looking to compete we are an unhealthy sick bunch of people

 

[R1187]

What,r u goals? If your looking to compete we are an unhealthy sick bunch of people

Maybe compete, even if only in mens physique.

And before anyone blasts me for needing "roids" for mens physique, I bet most of them are NOT natural, and I've no intention of ever using HGH or insulin.

And no, bodybuilding of any sort is NOT "healthy", even without the drugs. Rough on the joints, eating more calories than normal people need, bodyweight fluctuations, and the fact that carrying more weight (even if it's muscle) is not intrinsically healthy.

None of us are in this for health; I think we can all admit it.

If you want to be "healthy", eat 1800 cals a day and take up some light jogging or biking.

 

[Whacked]

Bro. 99% of the members on this board could not hang w Physique competitors and yes they are sauced up.

 

[Whacked]

Very good point right there. It is very individual, but at 300 to only reach 1700 seems awfully low. Even for ugl Test. I'm strictly going by the many bloods I have seen posted. I have never gotten my own. I kind of see an average of 7-8 times the dosage amount is what the Total Test tends to be.

1700 is pretty high man lol but I see ur point.

 

[Whacked]

Mixed Up. You compete? If so, for how long? Age?

Cool stuff man. I did not know that. Good for u.

 

[Dma378]

Bro. 99% of the members on this board could not hang w Physique competitors and yes they are sauced up.

Every one of them.

 

[mixedup]

Dude physique is no joke it's damn hard work and in npc you need to be juiced it's just the way it is unless you have awesome genetics and even then it's hard.

 

[kisaj]

Yup.
I respect Kisaj as he always sides with caution but I don't think 250 is a big deal. I think for some it can be done w/o many issues.

The user needs to be diligent and monitor. In some, sure, it will mess the person up endocrinologicaly Im not don't disputing that one bit.

The key words in there are "for some". I can all but guarantee that if you were to talk to an endocrinologist or a hormone specialist, they would never recommend a life long protocol of 250mg a week unless a special circumstance was present. But, we are not talking about doing this the right way, we are just talking about people picking a number that sounds good so my point really isn't relevant here. Lol

 

[mixedup]

Mixed Up. You compete? If so, for how long? Age?

Cool stuff man. I did not know that. Good for u.

Yeah I run with Big Boys I'm in masters class. My coach is competing in olympia in 11 weeks
look at some of my cycle logs I got one I think I cut from like 20% bf to having lower abs popping in like 10 weeks. I'm getting ready for sf championships in Oct right now.

 

[Whacked]

The key words in there are "for some". I can all but guarantee that if you were to talk to an endocrinologist or a hormone specialist, they would never recommend a life long protocol of 250mg a week unless a special circumstance was present. But, we are not talking about doing this the right way, we are just talking about people picking a number that sounds good so my point really isn't relevant here. Lol

Good point Lolol. I feel ya though Kisaj

 

[Whacked]

Yeah I run with Big Boys I'm in masters class. My coach is competing in olympia in 11 weeks
look at some of my cycle logs I got one I think I cut from like 20% bf to having lower abs popping in like 10 weeks. I'm getting ready for sf championships in Oct right now.

I hate u (jealous)

Would love to get your input on things.

There's talkers with opinions on these boards and then there's people who walk it and speak from experience. Damn do we need more of the latter.

 

[napalm]

I've seen trt doses of 200mg ew prescribed by endocrinologist

By endos that are crap. Mine started me @ 100/week and now I'm at 80 every 4 days. That keeps me in the 700-800's with no trough. That's plenty. 250/week is silly talk. No one needs that much and I couldn't imagine the hemoglobin/hematocrit issues at that high a dose.

That's not trt, that's a perma mini cycle...

 

[mixedup]

I hate u (jealous)

Would love to get your input on things.

There's talkers with opinions on these boards and then there's people who walk it and speak from experience. Damn do we need more of the latter.

NE time bro just ask I'll be happy to help as much as I can

 

[Whacked]

NE time bro just ask I'll be happy to help as much as I can

Thanks man