Gymmer8
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Hi all,
This is my first post after getting tired of scrolling countless pages up on pages for hours at a time.
I am 27 years old and have been training for 6-7 years now, in which time I have ran 3 ph cycles, first was with a rather week pct which I know from reading countless pages through the years and me being a little more clued up now was and always will be massively stupid and naive of me. Anyway nothing in the way of gyno flared up and I carried on as normal. Anyway I did a second ph cycle when I was 24 with a stronger compound and I had a flare up of gyno which never went away under my left nipple. 2 years passed and I did an epistane cycle that actually decreased my left nipple but my right nipple flares up and has been sensitive ever since. I have thought of surgery but it just isn't financially viable so have found an article which I will copy and paste below. I am looking at reversing gyno so number 3 (I know a huge percentage say surgery is only option).
The long and short is that I have bought the letro and the nolva and will begin this cycle in the hope my long standing gyno will reverse (it's about the size of a small marble. I would like people's advice if possible, not only that but dos you think it would be viable to do a low dose epistane cycle with an on cycle support product obviously and use this as a pct with some daa chucked in, or just don't mess too much and just follow the letro nolva protocol and hope and prey my gyno shrinks or better yet goes.
Thanks to all who take their time to help!!!! I really really do appreciate it very much!
this article is a cut/paste but i think it useful for all of us...........
Running letro to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.
1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.
1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **
2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **
3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **
*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.
** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.
Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.
Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.
This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can’t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.
How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.
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This is my first post after getting tired of scrolling countless pages up on pages for hours at a time.
I am 27 years old and have been training for 6-7 years now, in which time I have ran 3 ph cycles, first was with a rather week pct which I know from reading countless pages through the years and me being a little more clued up now was and always will be massively stupid and naive of me. Anyway nothing in the way of gyno flared up and I carried on as normal. Anyway I did a second ph cycle when I was 24 with a stronger compound and I had a flare up of gyno which never went away under my left nipple. 2 years passed and I did an epistane cycle that actually decreased my left nipple but my right nipple flares up and has been sensitive ever since. I have thought of surgery but it just isn't financially viable so have found an article which I will copy and paste below. I am looking at reversing gyno so number 3 (I know a huge percentage say surgery is only option).
The long and short is that I have bought the letro and the nolva and will begin this cycle in the hope my long standing gyno will reverse (it's about the size of a small marble. I would like people's advice if possible, not only that but dos you think it would be viable to do a low dose epistane cycle with an on cycle support product obviously and use this as a pct with some daa chucked in, or just don't mess too much and just follow the letro nolva protocol and hope and prey my gyno shrinks or better yet goes.
Thanks to all who take their time to help!!!! I really really do appreciate it very much!
this article is a cut/paste but i think it useful for all of us...........
Running letro to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.
1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.
1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **
2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **
3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **
*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.
** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.
Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.
Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.
This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can’t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.
How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.
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