My point was simply that if you have an identical quantity of a steroid in your system, after subtracting the weight of the ester, you are going to have very similar effects. Steroids with long esters are not magically less powerful, they just take longer to run through the system. Frontloading deals with this.
Put it this way, say someone used suspension from day one until their frontloaded cyp raised levels to their target, and used suspension at the end of the cycle after the last dose of cyp. In other words, they kept the level of testosterone steady for 8 or however many weeks. You are saying that the results would suck unless the cycle was long, 20+ weeks. I am saying that if the levels of testosterone are nearly identical, the results from using one ester are not going to suck compared to another.
Where did I say this? Trust me man, I totally understand what esters are and that test is test.
OMG, please quit putting words into my mouth.
What I am saying is you can frontload with enth, cyp...it's still not gonna kick in till about the 2nd or 3rd week or so. Yes, that is even when you frontload. Now with an even longer ester, even if you frontload, you're gonna have to shoot more actual hormone in ordrer to feel it faster...don't you understand? Guess not...look at it like this.... say one week you frontload 2 grams test of enth or cyp. Now before you even "feel" the cyp/enth it's still gonna take 2-3 weeks vs. the 4-5 if you WEREN"T frontloading. Of course feeling it will vary person to person. Now say you frontload undecanoate.....say at 2 grams/week. You;'re not going to "feel' the the undecanoate as fast as the enth or cyp simply because the ester is longer....so NOW, you'll have to frontload even more/week....maybe even up to 3 grams or so....and this is just to get it to kick in at the same time as enth or cyp.
I'm not talking about ester weights, or actual hormone weights, I'm talking about having to shoot even more total ml's(oil+hormone) in order to start to feel it.
The longer the ester, the more total volume you'll have to frontload. If you wanna start feeling a gram/week of test (enth or cyp), you're gonna have to frontload approx. 3 grams or so/week (of undecanoate), just in order to start to feel it in say the 4th-5th weeks or so. See what I mean?
This is totally NOT worthwhile and this is what I'm getting at. Why would wanna deal with all those calcualtions, etc. just to be able to run a cycle that could have been run with a shorter ester and less confusion?
This is what I'm talking about with you in regards to giving out info when you haven't even ran AAS before. How would you even begin to know what it "feels" like when you haven't used any before? Exaclty, you don't, end of discussion.
Skye had actually posted a chart around here somewhere stating the actual amount of hormone that gets released into the bloodstream every week for different esters. Might wanna do a search and do some reading up on it.