I'll be straightforward and also answer it the best I can. First off, the dht was basically unharnessed on each run I did because I made it a point to stay away from saw palmetto. Most guys I think will be taking a cycle support with saw palmetto and, to my knowledge, this will convert a lot of the dht to testosterone, whereas most of the dht effects were what I was looking for.
1. Ironmaglabs epiandro- like I said I ran only at a half dose, and quit when the bottle ran out. On this run my calorie consumption was unrestricted.
Effects-strength gains throughout most noticeable effect. Second, soreness between training days was drastically reduced. I know it sounds crazy because I was only at a half dose, but it's the truth. All in all, I felt like I was running on all 8 cylinders during that run. Energy was good and I felt great almost every day, no joint soreness, no acne. I experienced little change in libido and no change in facial hair, no reduction in bodyfat worth noting, and got off the cycle with no rebound effects or gyno without even taking a pct. I felt like IML at that dose was my ideal PH run and I'll probably stick with it.
But, I did want to run higher to see what it was like, so...
2. Androvar (Hard rock) Note: this was in a recomp, body weight stayed the same throughout.
300 mg per day from start to finish, that's three caps in divided doses. I'll go mostly by memory, I did write a log but only when something significant arose, and the first thing was when, about a week in, I took two at a time a few hours prior to workout, and I had a ton of aggression, like really a truckload. My workout aggression runs so high already without PH's or AAS that I figured it couldn't get much higher, I've been kicked out of a few gyms before during deadlifts. But, surprisingly, the dose of 200mg at once really sent me through the roof. That was the first significant thing I noted. Here is an excerpt
: Took 2nd and 3rd dose before workout today, around 4:30, worked out 4 hrs later at 8:30 and noticed huge aggression increase during workout (specifically right AFTER set), although little increase in strength or capacity for the workout lol. Joints painful.
Here is a 2nd excerpt: 12days into androvar. Have noticed slightly harder appearance and increased vascularity, noticing a pick-up in acne. Some palpable dots on forehead and one out on forehead, one on chin, and one on upper chest at same time. For the last few years I barely ever have even one pimple so this is a definite increase, especially for only 12 days in. No increased aggression noticed above previous.
The rest of the run went fairly well. A little more vascularity came forth, a little leaner, and specifically probably around the third week I noticed a slight increase in shoulder musculature without changing my program whatsoever, and to address some of your specific questions about gyno reduction and facial hair growth: I am gyno prone but I don't have gyno, I can tell I am gyno prone because I developed slightly puffy nipples from taking trib(I know, wtf lol). Anyway there was a BAAARELY noticeable reduction. if I am wearing a thin shirt a few hours in you can see like a puffiness that is worn into the shirt I guess, not very noticeable, but that's pretty much gone now. So I can see where if after a number of cycles, not blocking the dht, probably running at a high dose, and making sure to prevent any rebound gyno(even though this product isn't supposed to really cause that), then yeah...I would say it could eventually make some gyno go away. But if going specifically for just that something like andractim may be a better option. And facial hair, yes, same thing. Maybe week 4-5 whereas I shaved every other day because I like a clean shave, I had to start shaving every day. As far as hair growing in the less patchy areas of my face, the increase was very sparse. I think you would have to run a number of cycles at a fairly high dose. And for these two things I say high dose because I noticed zero effects at a half dose IML as opposed to some effects here 300mg androvar/day, again with no dht blocker. But get ready for hair loss at that dose without saw palmetto. I just saw to use nizoral shampoo on the forums so I began to do that after I stopped taking it. I wasn't prepared because I thought with my head of hair and family history I had nothing to worry about, but take into account most people probably include saw palmetto in their on cycle product even if they never read the bottle. I read that using saw palmetto while taking epiandro turns a lot of the dht into testosterone instead(yeah it's more scientific than that but I read it a while back so I forget lol). If you intend to take epiandro and want the dht effects I would recommend avoiding saw palmetto but using the nizoral shampoo, and also you may notice your joints complaining during a recomp at a decent dose and desire a joint support.
For the record, I ran forerunner 5 alpha test for a month as well which was supposed to be epiandro, and guess what? Garbage. My joints hurt worse by the day, and I noticed absolutely nothing good. At week four literally my entire body from neck to wrists to feet and ankles felt like I must be 70 years old. I never thought I would throw anything good in the trash. But trust me, it was trash. I chucked the rest of the bottle. Ridiculous
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Hopefully that helps. It took me a while to gather good info while I was looking into it so just wanted to go a bit lengthy to give some user feedback.
. So probably good to keep dose reasonable and have a preventative measure on hand. I'm not really into saw palmetto especially for a supplement which offers a lot of its benefit from dht, so I tried the shampoo instead. Seemed to curb the hair loss. That was at a pretty high dose of 300 mg/day. I would say the product is legit. 
: Took 2nd and 3rd dose before workout today, around 4:30, worked out 4 hrs later at 8:30 and noticed huge aggression increase during workout (specifically right AFTER set), although little increase in strength or capacity for the workout lol. Joints painful. 
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