T-3 or Trimax

[LCSULLA]

Does anyone know which is more catabolic? I know they both are, but which one is more so?

[hethcliff]

trimax is t-3.

[LCSULLA]

Not exactly. It's a thyroid hormone metabolite.

[hethcliff]

they are essentially the same thing, i wouldn't think one is more catabolic than the other. if you are worried about the catabolic nature then why not stack it with some AAS.

[LCSULLA]

I'll guess your right. Hmm gives me somthings to think about.

[same_old]

i went with T3 for the simple fact that it's been used for alot longer than trimax and the effects are well-documented. i would expect both to be catabolic (T3 is, IME)

[s.norman]

t-3 is more effective than trimax imo

[Syr]

Uptake of triiodothyroacetic acid and its effect on thyrotropin secretion in cultured anterior pituitary cells

ME Everts, TJ Visser, EP Moerings, R Docter, H van Toor, AM Tempelaars, M de Jong, EP Krenning and G Hennemann
Department of Internal Medicine, Erasmus University Medical School, Rotterdam, The Netherlands.

The uptake of [125I]triiodothyroacetic acid ([125I]Triac) in anterior pituitary cells was investigated and compared with that of [125I]T3. Furthermore, the effects of Triac, T3, and T4 on TSH release were compared. Cells isolated from adult male Wistar rats were cultured for 3 days in medium with 10% fetal calf serum. Uptake was measured at 37 C with [125I]Triac (100,000 cpm; 120 pM) or [125I]T3 (50,000 cpm; 50 pM) in medium with 0.5% BSA. In this medium, the ratio of the free fractions of Triac, T3, and T4 was 1:8:1. Exposure of cells to 100 nM TRH for 2 h stimulated TSH release by 80-110% (P < 0.001). Comparing total hormone levels (1 nM to 1 microM), Triac and T3 were equally effective in reducing this response, and both were 10-fold more effective than T4. The time course (15 min to 4 h) of [125I]Triac uptake was similar to that of [125I]T3, showing equilibrium after 1 h. Unlabeled Triac (1 microM) reduced the uptake of [125I]Triac and [125I]T3 at all time intervals. Expressed per pM free hormone, the cellular and nuclear uptake of [125I]Triac were twice those of [125I]T3. The 15-min uptake of [125I]Triac was reduced by incubation with 10 nM unlabeled Triac (35%; P < 0.001). Maximum inhibition (56%; P < 0.001) was found with 10 microM Triac. A similar effect was seen with 10 microM T3, T4, or 3,3',5,5'-tetraiodothyroacetic acid. Preincubation (30 min) and incubation (15 min) with 10 microM oligomycin reduced the cellular ATP content by 51% (P < 0.001), [125I]T3 uptake by 77% (P < 0.001), and [125I]Triac uptake by only 25% (P < 0.001). The temperature dependence of [125I]Triac and [125I]T3 uptake was the same. Preincubation and incubation with 10 microM monensin (reduces the Na+ gradient) or 10 microM monodansylcadaverine (inhibits receptor-mediated endocytosis) reduced 15-min [125I] Triac uptake by 15% (P < 0.005) and 19% (P < 0.005), respectively. The data show that 1) Triac, on the basis of the free hormone concentration, is more potent than T3 or T4 in suppressing TSH secretion; and 2) the rapid uptake of [125I]Triac by the anterior pituitary occurs by a carrier-mediated mechanism that is only partially dependent on ATP or the Na+ gradient.

http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/con...act/135/6/2700
for full text

[same_old]

Uptake of triiodothyroacetic acid and its effect on thyrotropin secretion in cultured anterior pituitary cells

ME Everts, TJ Visser, EP Moerings, R Docter, H van Toor, AM Tempelaars, M de Jong, EP Krenning and G Hennemann
Department of Internal Medicine, Erasmus University Medical School, Rotterdam, The Netherlands.

The uptake of [125I]triiodothyroacetic acid ([125I]Triac) in anterior pituitary cells was investigated and compared with that of [125I]T3. Furthermore, the effects of Triac, T3, and T4 on TSH release were compared. Cells isolated from adult male Wistar rats were cultured for 3 days in medium with 10% fetal calf serum. Uptake was measured at 37 C with [125I]Triac (100,000 cpm; 120 pM) or [125I]T3 (50,000 cpm; 50 pM) in medium with 0.5% BSA. In this medium, the ratio of the free fractions of Triac, T3, and T4 was 1:8:1. Exposure of cells to 100 nM TRH for 2 h stimulated TSH release by 80-110% (P < 0.001). Comparing total hormone levels (1 nM to 1 microM), Triac and T3 were equally effective in reducing this response, and both were 10-fold more effective than T4. The time course (15 min to 4 h) of [125I]Triac uptake was similar to that of [125I]T3, showing equilibrium after 1 h. Unlabeled Triac (1 microM) reduced the uptake of [125I]Triac and [125I]T3 at all time intervals. Expressed per pM free hormone, the cellular and nuclear uptake of [125I]Triac were twice those of [125I]T3. The 15-min uptake of [125I]Triac was reduced by incubation with 10 nM unlabeled Triac (35%; P < 0.001). Maximum inhibition (56%; P < 0.001) was found with 10 microM Triac. A similar effect was seen with 10 microM T3, T4, or 3,3',5,5'-tetraiodothyroacetic acid. Preincubation (30 min) and incubation (15 min) with 10 microM oligomycin reduced the cellular ATP content by 51% (P < 0.001), [125I]T3 uptake by 77% (P < 0.001), and [125I]Triac uptake by only 25% (P < 0.001). The temperature dependence of [125I]Triac and [125I]T3 uptake was the same. Preincubation and incubation with 10 microM monensin (reduces the Na+ gradient) or 10 microM monodansylcadaverine (inhibits receptor-mediated endocytosis) reduced 15-min [125I] Triac uptake by 15% (P < 0.005) and 19% (P < 0.005), respectively. The data show that 1) Triac, on the basis of the free hormone concentration, is more potent than T3 or T4 in suppressing TSH secretion; and 2) the rapid uptake of [125I]Triac by the anterior pituitary occurs by a carrier-mediated mechanism that is only partially dependent on ATP or the Na+ gradient.

http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/con...act/135/6/2700
for full text

so, conclusions are:
1) T3 and triac produce equal TSH secretion
2) triac's uptake is greater than T3 (not really important considering the first point)
2) triac suppresses TSH more than anything else (not good)