LG M1D, experience , opinions, and questions.

[powerpunk5000]

so I'm almost done taking a month of M1D at3 caps a day and do not see hardly anything. I'm assuming this is just DHEA. I also have the epandro but didn't wanna run 2 compounds as its my first stack and that I'm only 20 years old. Anyone have experience with this M1D? anyone see results?

 

[st@ylifting]

You should of done both I did this as a first cycle and kept 10lbs after a 15lb gain but I ate 4000+ cals

 

[hvactech]

I would have ran the m1d andro and overlapped the epiandro to finish off the cycle... ive used m1d with fantastic results, gives us a rundown on your diet, tdee, etc

 

[powerpunk5000]

I mean the M1D seems only like DHEA. I dont see why people would get great results? I took 3 pills a day and started the epi andro after week 2 and took 3ml of that instead of the 2ml it recommended. Im 20 years old and only weight 138lbs so i ate about 2500 -3000 cals a day average. I never really felt any affects besides the epi giving me a cleared focus.

 

[hvactech]

I mean the M1D seems only like DHEA. I dont see why people would get great results? I took 3 pills a day and started the epi andro after week 2 and took 3ml of that instead of the 2ml it recommended. Im 20 years old and only weight 138lbs so i ate about 2500 -3000 cals a day average. I never really felt any affects besides the epi giving me a cleared focus.

Well for starters if you ate close to 3000cals then either way you would have experienced results... so I assume your training was subpar at best. Plus dhea can make great runs if all other factors are present

 

[powerpunk5000]

My training is fine. Just a basic split. chest /tris back/bis legs shoulders /abs

I mean i gained a couple lbs, but i would just attribute that to working out/ diet not this stuff. DHEA docent even convert to test directly? I doubt if i tested my test levels before and after there would be any difference. And everything is under dosed anyway. It may work for you if your older, But someone like me thats 20 years old this is total BS and i wouldn't advice anyone to waste money on it. And the need for an AI in every product is absurd? Why is there an AI in epi when DHT has no conversation to estrogen

 

[hvactech]

My training is fine. Just a basic split. chest /tris back/bis legs shoulders /abs

I mean i gained a couple lbs, but i would just attribute that to working out/ diet not this stuff. DHEA docent even convert to test directly? I doubt if i tested my test levels before and after there would be any difference. And everything is under dosed anyway. It may work for you if your older, But someone like me thats 20 years old this is total BS and i wouldn't advice anyone to waste money on it. And the need for an AI in every product is absurd? Why is there an AI in epi when DHT has no conversation to estrogen

Why are using phs at 20 anyways...

 

[The_Old_Guy]

My training is fine. Just a basic split. chest /tris back/bis legs shoulders /abs

DHEA docent even convert to test directly? I doubt if i tested my test levels before and after there would be any difference. And everything is under dosed anyway. It may work for you if your older, But someone like me thats 20 years old this is total BS and i wouldn't advice anyone to waste money on it.

Are you familiar with the West Texas A&M study on 330mg of oral 1-DHEA?

 

[hvactech]

Are you familiar with the West Texas A&M study on 330mg of oral 1-DHEA?

Im sure he doesnt... most who bash dhea products usually are uneducated

 

[powerpunk5000]

nope but would like to see it. Im just saying i felt nothing. I took the tablets not the liquid maybe its under dosed, took 3 pills a day. and the "magic" age is 21. I think ill be ok at 20 with something this mild anyway.

 

[mixedup]

138lbs how tall are you? You need to eat bro eat...... You Need to eat the cal for the weight you want to be not the weight you are. Doesn't mtater if a particular compound doesn't aromatizes itself estrogen can still raise when test levels raise. 21 is not a magic age it's just the age most endocrinologist deem your system fully developed and growth plates are usually closef

 

[powerpunk5000]

138lbs how tall are you? You need to eat bro eat...... You Need to eat the cal for the weight you want to be not the weight you are. Doesn't mtater if a particular compound doesn't aromatizes itself estrogen can still raise when test levels raise. 21 is not a magic age it's just the age most endocrinologist deem your system fully developed and growth plates are usually closef

Only 5'7. I dont see much harm at running this at 20 or even 18 ? With all the AI LG puts in there products i doubt your estrogen levels are going to be raised. IF anything all the AI i everything would cause much more harm then the actually compound does, Suppressing estrogen.

 

[powerpunk5000]

Are you familiar with the West Texas A&M study on 330mg of oral 1-DHEA?

isn't that study on 1-andro not 4-andro?

 

[mixedup]

Only 5'7. I dont see much harm at running this at 20 or even 18 ? With all the AI LG puts in there products i doubt your estrogen levels are going to be raised. IF anything all the AI i everything would cause much more harm then the actually compound does, Suppressing estrogen.

compounds age etc aside because everyone has to decide on their own what to take 5ft 7 in 138lbs is extremely skinny you need to eat alot more calories. You could inject 750mg of test a week and you wouldn't gain if your regular caloric intake is keeping you at your current weight. Nothing can change that basic scientific fact. No compound no dosage can increase weight without increase in calories

 

[hvactech]

Only 5'7. I dont see much harm at running this at 20 or even 18 ? With all the AI LG puts in there products i doubt your estrogen levels are going to be raised. IF anything all the AI i everything would cause much more harm then the actually compound does, Suppressing estrogen.

How much arimistane do they add?

 

[powerpunk5000]

i just dont see why there is a need for an AI in the epi andro as its a DHT compound it docent make sense lol, I'm trying to research more of all this haha

 

[hardknock]

compounds age etc aside because everyone has to decide on their own what to take 5ft 7 in 138lbs is extremely skinny you need to eat alot more calories. You could inject 750mg of test a week and you wouldn't gain if your regular caloric intake is keeping you at your current weight. Nothing can change that basic scientific fact. No compound no dosage can increase weight without increase in calories

Simply not total true. Let's talk specifics. Taking dbol and testE with or without a severe increase of calories will bloat you and put weigh on you and if nothing else the scale is going to move and you are going to move a heavier bar.

If we are talking literal terms of "no gain" then what your stating is wrong but if you were simply talking in terms of "worth" then you are definitely correct. Without a caloric surplus his gains will not be nearly as great, no where close. But definitely beyond "no gain".

As far as the dhea is concerned, can we quit with the bashing of people whom have no results from a supplement. This has always happened since I can remember. If a person has no results from the supplement, okay, they just didnt. It gives no reason for bashing or discredit.

 

[mixedup]

Simply not total true. Let's talk specifics. Taking dbol and testE with or without a severe increase of calories will bloat you and put weigh on you and if nothing else the scale is going to move and you are going to move a heavier bar.

If we are talking literal terms of "no gain" then what your stating is wrong but if you were simply talking in terms of "worth" then you are definitely correct. Without a caloric surplus his gains will not be nearly as great, no where close. But definitely beyond "no gain".

As far as the dhea is concerned, can we quit with the bashing of people whom have no results from a supplement. This has always happened since I can remember. If a person has no results from the supplement, okay, they just didnt. It gives no reason for bashing or discredit.

I have never bashed him . but he doesn't look like he just wants to move the scale. From what I read your stating at maintenance calories without a change in diet he'll gain weight from dbol and test e.?
if we're simply talking about bloat that would go away when dbol and test stops.
So 5lbs of bloat - 5lbs of water loss once cycle ends equals 0 gains that is what I meant. Can he make temporary gains yeah but they will not stay without an increase in calories

 

[hardknock]

I wasn't saying you were bashing him. That part was for the other posts talking about his intellect or lack of.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

isn't that study on 1-andro not 4-andro?

It was meant to counter the "X-DHEA's don't work". But yes, you are correct. But then again, I don't know anybody that would only take 4-DHEA as a "cycle", other than for a poor man's OTC TRT. 4-DHEA is usually used as a Base, to keep the sides from stuff like 1-DHEA at bay.

Also, the DHEA's take about 21 days to hit their potential, so you basically are judging 1 week.

If there's a next time, stack it with 1-DHEA for 8 weeks.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

As far as the dhea is concerned, can we quit with the bashing of people whom have no results from a supplement. This has always happened since I can remember. If a person has no results from the supplement, okay, they just didnt. It gives no reason for bashing or discredit.

I can agree on this, however, complaining despite the compounds not being used correctly, raises some hackles.

 

[hvactech]

I assume you are referring to me... youre swinging a double edge sword by saying not to "bash" someone for saying "x" product didnt work but yet he is bashing dhea for the exact same reasonings.. the uneducated comment wasnt reflecting him personally but more so the lack of knowledge on dhea based products...