1-andro vs ostarine

[afluck410]

Trying to get a talley of votes for which would be better for least sides and best gains. I don't want a specific name brand in the discussion because reps will always recommend their product. Just want some honest feedback on the compounds themselves. Experiences, what you saw in size gains and strength gains. How was shutdown on either of the two?

 

[Jokers]

Ran a couple of 1 andro cycles gained about 5 pounds of lean muscle mass. As far as strength gains bench went up a significant amount around week 4. Shutdown was non existent you can really get away with otc pct imo.

 

[afluck410]

Ran a couple of 1 andro cycles gained about 5 pounds of lean muscle mass. As far as strength gains bench went up a significant amount around week 4. Shutdown was non existent you can really get away with otc pct imo.

What was your dosage? I heard its dose dependent with these DHEA metabolites

 

[DigitalB]

Andro 1, hands down..
Zero sides, good strength gains, easy recovery...

 

[afluck410]

Andro 1, hands down..
Zero sides, good strength gains, easy recovery...

What were your weight gains?

 

[Jokers]

Yea you just about have to take 3 times as much for a decent cycle i was doing a syringe oral doses 3ml three times a day with AMS

 

[DigitalB]

What were your weight gains?

I didn't gain **** on Osta, idk if it was bunk or what, but it didn't do much for me..

Andro I gained like 15lbs over like 50 days I think, it was a long time ago.. I liked it because the sides were non existent, didn't need cycle support, and my major lifts shot up about 40lbs each.. Think I started at like 450mg and went to 550-600 or so..
It got expensive..

 

[afluck410]

Money isn't an issue, my health is lol
How bad was the limp d*ck on cycle?

 

[DigitalB]

Oh yea, that was the only side haha
Couldn't get hard for ****..
Didn't use a Test base, wife was pissed.. I think I bought some RC Cialis at the time to help out.. That was the 1st and last time not using a Test base..

 

[afluck410]

Oh yea, that was the only side haha
Couldn't get hard for ****..
Didn't use a Test base, wife was pissed.. I think I bought some RC Cialis at the time to help out.. That was the 1st and last time not using a Test base..

So you would advise me using 4-andro or something similar?

 

[hvactech]

Ostarine is not a bulker and cant be compared to prohormones...1, 4 andro cycle properly dosed would make for a nice 8 weeker

 

[afluck410]

Ostarine is not a bulker and cant be compared to prohormones...1, 4 andro cycle properly dosed would make for a nice 8 weeker

Is 8 weeks too long for someone whose never taken anything hormonal before?

 

[DigitalB]

I'd use something like/or 4 ad, yes..

I don't think 8 weeks is to long for something like Andro, 1st cycle or not.. The recovery will still go smoothly with a proper pct..

 

[afluck410]

Okay what AI does everyone suggest? I can get clomid for pct from my buddy who sells gear. You may ask why I don't just do a test cycle, not ready for needles haha

Also, is there a hairloss side effect from 4-ad?


Stats are 202lbs 6ft 3-4 years lifting (down from 211 last month) and sitting at 13ish BF
Still leaning down from my bulk

 

[DigitalB]

You shouldn't need an AI on cycle..
I'd use Aromasin in pct..

Hair loss is genetics, some things can promote hair loss if your already prone, but idk about 4ad in particular..

 

[afluck410]

Some recent pics after an ABE 8week run I just finished. So you can see my current physique. If I'm still not quite ready for anabolics someone tell me haha

 

[afluck410]

Bump

 

[DigitalB]

Run it

 

[The_Old_Guy]

I'm more than double your age and had about the same BF%. I'm way more at risk (theoretically) for sides, yet I had ZERO. Not counting 'Mag10 Legacy' from '04 or so, 1/4 DHEA was also my first "educated" cycle. So, since you're an adult, I'd say go for it.

If you aren't already losing hair, I don't think the 4-AD is going to do it. It's not like it would all go at once any way...just check your shower drain You can also look at things like Saw Palmetto, Stinging Nettle, and Pumpkin-Seed Oil if your that worried.

I would definitely do 4-AD with the 1-Andro. I felt great with a Test Base. Get the SERM and some Aromasin. I never needed the Aromasin, but it's wise to have it on hand, just in case. Other than Clomid, for these compounds, I stuck with OTC Estrogen and Cortisol control in PCT. I did 6 weeks of Clomid/8 weeks OTC AI (2 weeks past SERM). I probably went over-kill, but better safe than sorry without bloodwork. I used Reduce-XT and Inhibit-E, so it was pretty affordable.

The only other thing I'd say, is maybe look at LGD-4033? Way less info/history compared to DHEA though, so I'd say 1/4 DHEA is "safer".

 

[afluck410]

I'm more than double your age and had about the same BF%. I'm way more at risk (theoretically) for sides, yet I had ZERO. Not counting 'Mag10 Legacy' from '04 or so, 1/4 DHEA was also my first "educated" cycle. So, since you're an adult, I'd say go for it.

If you aren't already losing hair, I don't think the 4-AD is going to do it. It's not like it would all go at once any way...just check your shower drain You can also look at things like Saw Palmetto, Stinging Nettle, and Pumpkin-Seed Oil if your that worried.

I would definitely do 4-AD with the 1-Andro. I felt great with a Test Base. Get the SERM and some Aromasin. I never needed the Aromasin, but it's wise to have it on hand, just in case. Other than Clomid, for these compounds, I stuck with OTC Estrogen and Cortisol control in PCT. I did 6 weeks of Clomid/8 weeks OTC AI (2 weeks past SERM). I probably went over-kill, but better safe than sorry without bloodwork. I used Reduce-XT and Inhibit-E, so it was pretty affordable.

So being that I'm 21, and my current stats; I'm good to go? Not trying to cut myself short

 

[The_Old_Guy]

I can't even remember when I was 21, so.... I think most, in a perfect world, would say wait a few more years of solid diet and training. But we all know that usually isn't what happens. You're picking the 2 most mild compounds out there as far as PH's go, so.... I was exactly where you are, except way older (which usually means more chance of complications) - and I too was a little nervous. After it was done I said "that wasn't ****" and am itching for my next one

 

[hack453]

I'm 20 bro and doing my first ever cycle using the ams pack of 1-andro , 4 ad and decavol on my 4th and last week now got an overkill pct of cycle assist aromx clomid and daa lined up so far all my lifts have gone up and I'm up about 4 KGS so like 8 pounds and a tad leaner if anything touch wood enjoying it

 

[afluck410]

I'm 20 bro and doing my first ever cycle using the ams pack of 1-andro , 4 ad and decavol on my 4th and last week now got an overkill pct of cycle assist aromx clomid and daa lined up so far all my lifts have gone up and I'm up about 4 KGS so like 8 pounds and a tad leaner if anything touch wood enjoying it

I was looking at that stack, what is decavol exactly? I can't find much on it

 

[afluck410]

Also,
Besides AMS & IML, who else has reputable 1-andro

 

[hvactech]

Also,
Besides AMS & IML, who else has reputable 1-andro

Lgsciences has 1andro... I ran it with great results

 

[afluck410]

Lgsciences has 1andro... I ran it with great results

Their stuff is only 20mg each serving though. I need 3-400mg apparently

 

[The_Old_Guy]

You can't compare oral, ie. swallowed/digested/1st pass liver... with sub-lingual/mucosa absorption bypassing the liver for the 1st pass. The AMS Tabs are only about 25mg of anabolic compound, not 200. You don't need as much sub-lingually.

Decavol is 19-Nor-DHEA. Think Nandrolone/"Deca". No one seems to run it, as I had a thread about it, that got almost zero hits. I'll be running it in a few months though, along with 4-AD, both at 3 Tabs/Day for 8 weeks.

Forerunner Labs has DHEA compounds. They are a sister company of AMS. Finiflex is what was used in the West Texas A&M study, but I don't think they are in the DHEA game anymore.

 

[Bengal]

I have used
Finaflex 1 andro #2
Olympus ostar1ne #3
Celtic labs ostabol #1
Forerunner labs alpha mass #4
Recommend 1 or 2. Not #3,or 4

 

[hvactech]

I have used
Finaflex 1 andro #2
Olympus ostar1ne #3
Celtic labs ostabol #1
Forerunner labs alpha mass #4
Recommend 1 or 2. Not #3,or 4

So you recommend ostabol over ostar1ne?! Ostabol was a complete letdown and many would agree

 

[afluck410]

I have an off topic concern, found liquid ams 1-andro for $35 a bottle (2nd bottle 50% off that price)
What's the likelihood it's a fake?

 

[hvactech]

I have an off topic concern, found liquid ams 1-andro for $35 a bottle (2nd bottle 50% off that price)
What's the likelihood it's a fake?

Depends on the site?

 

[afluck410]

TFsupplements

 

[Quest]

If you can get real gear like you said....

Do yourself a favor, run test e for 12 weeks with serm/ai. Nothing will compare to your first cycle. Make it the best you
can with the test. It is flat out simple to pin and MUCH better than eating pills for weeks on end.

The results are not even comparable....

 

[afluck410]

If you can get real gear like you said....

Do yourself a favor, run test e for 12 weeks with serm/ai. Nothing will compare to your first cycle. Make it the best you
can with the test. It is flat out simple to pin and MUCH better than eating pills for weeks on end.

The results are not even comparable....

Not ready for injections lol, too worried about 1. Hitting a vein or nerve and 2. Infections

 

[hvactech]

TFsupplements

G2g then

 

[vujade]

So you recommend ostabol over ostar1ne?! Ostabol was a complete letdown and many would agree

Ostabol gave me nothing but sides (BP, headaches, libido). Ran it @ 20mg for 8 weeks.

Ran Finaflex 1-Andro @ 220 / 330 / 330 / 330 / 330 / 330 / 440 / 440 with no sides other then libido loss @ week 3.

 

[hvactech]

Ostabol gave me nothing but sides (BP, headaches, libido). Ran it @ 20mg for 8 weeks.

Ran Finaflex 1-Andro @ 220 / 330 / 330 / 330 / 330 / 330 / 440 / 440 with no sides other then libido loss @ week 3.

Yeah ostabol was a huge letdown... only brand of ostarine that didnt produce results for me

 

[vujade]

Yeah ostabol was a huge letdown... only brand of ostarine that didnt produce results for me

I haven't tried OL Ostar1ne yet, but I may give it a shot next time seeing that i know there Trest was legit.

 

[afluck410]

G2g then

Okay going to buy a few bottles tomorrow, 3 or 4 for an 8 week run?

 

[hack453]

I was looking at that stack, what is decavol exactly? I can't find much on it

Someone else has answered it a lot better than I would have but basically its supposed to make your muscles appear harder , and what mainly got me, is its meant to keep the joints free and lubricated as Id heard the other compounds tend to dry them out.

 

[Bengal]

Yes without a doubt. But that was me. Others might be different.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Okay going to buy a few bottles tomorrow, 3 or 4 for an 8 week run?

For 8 weeks, you want 3 bottles of 4-AD (1.5x Label), and 4 bottles of 1-Andro (2x Label). Buy your SERM first

 

[afluck410]

For 8 weeks, you want 3 bottles of 4-AD (1.5x Label), and 4 bottles of 1-Andro (2x Label). Buy your SERM first

For a 1st time user, shouldn't I keep cycle short (4-6 wks)

 

[hvactech]

For a 1st time user, shouldn't I keep cycle short (4-6 wks)

No.....

 

[afluck410]

I just feel like shutting myself down for 8 weeks isn't the best thing to do right off the bat lol

 

[doogans]

I just feel like shutting myself down for 8 weeks isn't the best thing to do right off the bat lol

Personally I'd say f*ck it and pick up some Super DMZ 2.0 and run for 4 to 6 weeks with Tudca and a good cycle support. Then run a SERM for 4 weeks and enjoy your gains. I've used a bunch of DHEA products but they won't compare to something like M-Sten and DMZ

When I ran my DHEA cycles I never used a SERM, and it took a while for my libido to bounce back. I struggled getting wood and my girlfriend was pissed. If you manipulate your hormones then you always run the risk of getting shut down. The way I look at it, if you use any exogenous hormones(including DHEA prohormones) then you should follow up with a SERM to get your HPTA and nuts back up and running.

So my question is this, if you're going to run the risk of getting shut down, why not go for a stronger compound(s)? You can reduce the chance of side effects I'd you cycle smart and use the propped support supplements.

 

[hvactech]

Personally I'd say f*ck it and pick up some Super DMZ 2.0 and run for 4 to 6 weeks with Tudca and a good cycle support. Then run a SERM for 4 weeks and enjoy your gains. I've used a bunch of DHEA products but they won't compare to something like M-Sten and DMZ

When I ran my DHEA cycles I never used a SERM, and it took a while for my libido to bounce back. I struggled getting wood and my girlfriend was pissed. If you manipulate your hormones then you always run the risk of getting shut down. The way I look at it, if you use any exogenous hormones(including DHEA prohormones) then you should follow up with a SERM to get your HPTA and nuts back up and running.

So my question is this, if you're going to run the risk of getting shut down, why not go for a stronger compound(s)? You can reduce the chance of side effects I'd you cycle smart and use the propped support supplements.

Are you completely serious?
So you are recommending a double methylated compound to a first time user?

 

[doogans]

Are you completely serious?
So you are recommending a double methylated compound to a first time user?

Oh crap, my bad. I read some of Joker's posts about taking he AMS phs before thinking they were also the OPs. Thought he had used the mild stuff before, and was wondering if he should give it another run.

 

[Weathermark]

I'm running 400mg 1-andro with mind and muscles T2. I'm coming up on week two and I'm definetly much fuller and starting to lean out. Strength hasn't come up yet but I'm sure it isn't to far off. I'm liking it so far and it hasn't really kicked in yet LOL

 

[Weathermark]

Run it for four...see how you feel..then if you feel alright, go to six then a full 8 weeks...I think you'll be fine though.