Planning 2nd Cycle. Thoughts

[r3zy]

I like to plan my cycles well in advance, so thought I'd start thinking about my next. If anyone has anything they would change as in products etc, would be great.

Cycle:
MSten: 20/20/20/20
Stanoshred: 800/800/800/800
Blockade: 6caps ED

PCT:
Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Post Cycle 3X: 4/4/4/4
Lean Xtreme: 0/0/3/3/3/3

Would you include DAA as a test booster as well? Also whats MSten like for back pumps? I've been getting crazy back pumps on epi.

Cheers, Rez

 

[Dma378]

I like this set up, and would definitely add DAA to pct. Msten gave me mild back pumps, but it was my first cycle and I barely knew what to do to battle them. Keep your water intake high and supplement with some taurine, and you should be fine.

I would also add something to your pct to maintain some intensity. Some Ep1c and Conqu3r would make pct feel like a cycle itself.

 

[booneman77]

I'm with dma. Cycle looks solid. Pct is where you might wanna add stuff tho. Personally reduct xt for cortisol control is a staple for me along with ara and either anabeta elite or magnitropin. Throw that stack on top of some stims and not only will you feel like you're still on but I was actually able to keep increasing wright and strength post. Pr's at week 4 and 12 post cycle.

 

[r3zy]

Yeah I've kinda got my back pumps in check now, but when they hit they hit hard, had to cut a couple sessions short because of the inability to move correctly. So I might start a low dose of Taurine ED and if back pump creep up i'll up the dosage. I'll have a look into ep1c and conqu3r. Cheers


So would you run magnitropin instead of DAA or along side it? And when you say ara are you referring to arachidonic acid?

 

[booneman77]

So would you run magnitropin instead of DAA or along side it? And when you say ara are you referring to arachidonic acid?

Personally I hate DAA because it gives me sides but most like it. If you want to you can def stack it with the mag for a little extra. It's so cheap why not?

And yes arachadonic acid. X gels at 4-6 caps on workout days is the way to go. You'll see strength stay high and pumps continue as well as a potential body comp improvement.

That stack as a whole is absolutely the best natty stack I've used and in pct it's nearly as good as continuing the cycle.

 

[r3zy]

So would this be the way to go? Are there any dosages you would change, or time frames of use?

Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Post Cycle 3X: 4/4/4/4
DAA: 3g/3g/3g/3g
Ara: 6/6/6/6 Workout days
Reduce XT: 0/0/3/3/3/3

 

[booneman77]

So would this be the way to go? Are there any dosages you would change, or time frames of use?

Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Post Cycle 3X: 4/4/4/4
DAA: 3g/3g/3g/3g
Ara: 6/6/6/6 Workout days
Reduce XT: 0/0/3/3/3/3

An AI should be a staple in any PCT since lower estro will trick your body into making more test so that's my only "must add".
You can add the ArA synergistic supps (Alcar/PA, gms, lohdra bark) but not necessary.

All the rest looks perfect.

 

[r3zy]

What would be your AI of choice? Wanna try and maximise my cycle to be the best it can.

 

[booneman77]

Aromasin

this.

 

[r3zy]

Sweet, what would your dosage be? I've never used the stuff before and from the searches I've done I'm getting mixed reviews

 

[r3zy]

After researching a bit more and looking into what you've mentioned I think my cycle will look like this

Cycle:
MSten: 20/20/20/20
Stanoshred: 800/800/800/800
Blockade: 6caps ED
Tudca: Recommended Dose
Taurine: 5g ED, upto 10g if pumps wreak havok
Fish Oil: Always use
Glucosamine: Everyday


PCT:
Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Post Cycle 3X: 4/4/4/4
Aromasin: 12.5mg ED
Lean Xtreme: 0/0/3/3/3/3
DAA: 3g/3g/3g/3g
XGels: 4-6caps Workout Days
Ep1c: Recommended Dose
BCAA: Everyday throughout
Creatine: 10g Everyday
Some preworkout.

My only questions are, do i take the Aromasin for 4weeks or the 6weeks. And can anyone tell me of a good Preworkout. I'm quite stim tolerant, tried loads, NO Xplode, Jack3d, White Flood, SuperPump and didn't feel anything. The only one i felt something off of was Dorian Yates NOX Pump, but that was on another level, couldn't handle it haha

 

[booneman77]

After researching a bit more and looking into what you've mentioned I think my cycle will look like this Cycle: MSten: 20/20/20/20 Stanoshred: 800/800/800/800 Blockade: 6caps ED Tudca: Recommended Dose Taurine: 5g ED, upto 10g if pumps wreak havok Fish Oil: Always use Glucosamine: Everyday PCT: Nolva: 20/20/10/10 Post Cycle 3X: 4/4/4/4 Aromasin: 12.5mg ED Lean Xtreme: 0/0/3/3/3/3 DAA: 3g/3g/3g/3g XGels: 4-6caps Workout Days Ep1c: Recommended Dose BCAA: Everyday throughout Creatine: 10g Everyday Some preworkout. My only questions are, do i take the Aromasin for 4weeks or the 6weeks. And can anyone tell me of a good Preworkout. I'm quite stim tolerant, tried loads, NO Xplode, Jack3d, White Flood, SuperPump and didn't feel anything. The only one i felt something off of was Dorian Yates NOX Pump, but that was on another level, couldn't handle it haha

very nicely laid out. Everything looks solid. Glad to see someone actually do their own research ha.

Take the aromas in for 4 weeks. Too long and chances are it'll start to bother your joints and be more of a problem then a solution. You could extend to 6 weeks but I would start tapering down and either dose 6mg ish Ed or just 12.5 Eod.

For a pre, what are you looking for... It sounds like you just want a stim bomb type? If so, I suggest simul8, hyperrmax, or cannibal ferox. Those are all heavy stimmed. For something more comprehensive that'll get you a pump and some ergogenics as well, focus xt (reg or caffeine free), conqu3r dge (stimmed or non), pes high volume( pump only)... There's quite a few good options around.

 

[r3zy]

I'll go the 4 week route with the Aromasin, I get stiff joints anyway which is why I take Glucosamine all the time, so don't want to make it worse.

What I'm looking for is something to give me some energy and focus because I'm guessing I'm going to be feeling like **** in PCT while my hormones sort themselves out.

 

[Dma378]

I like this layout as well. I usually run the Aromasin for 4 weeks as well, but start it at week 3 of pct, that way it extends past your SERM by a couple weeks. I also run the DAA for 6 weeks, which is usually 1 bottle's worth depending on what brand you got.

If you haven't tried Conqu3r-DGE yet, I highly recommend it. The Amento leaves me feeling great for hours after my workouts. Just enough stim, but killer pump and focus blend.

 

[r3zy]

I'll give Conqu3r ago, I'm ordering Ep1c anyway so might as well give it a shot.

Cheers guys.

 

[yates84]

I'll give Conqu3r ago, I'm ordering Ep1c anyway so might as well give it a shot.

Cheers guys.

Conqu3r is great, you won't be disappointed

 

[r3zy]

Been looking at things a bit more and with me ordering a few things from Olympus Labs, would swapping Blockade with AR1MACARE PRO and Post Cycle 3X with SUP3R PCT be just as good or better? Kinda saves on delivery fees and should save time on postage as well.

I'll be swapping Lean Xtreme with Reduce XT as well, so I'll be getting a couple from SNS.

 

[Dma378]

Well better of course!! Great profiles on both OL products. Sup3r PCT has one of the most diverse otc pct profiles. Prolactin control, Estro control, Organ support, Improved sleep.

 

[r3zy]

Sweet. I'll even order a t-shirt to show off my gains haha

 

[Dma378]

Damn it can't rep you again, but you deserve it!! LOL

 

[yates84]

Damn it can't rep you again, but you deserve it!! LOL

I got him! I need one of those OL tank tops, might order one for myself

 

[b0bbYboy]

Could u take creatine when on msten?

Or a preworkout during cycle?

 

[Jackedjack]

You can and should take creative if you plan on taking throughout pct too, because it will take a few weeks to fully saturate yourself. And your cycle layout looks nice, just make sure you have an immediate backup plan in case either your aromisan or nolva is bunk. I've seen it happen to a few people and it's not fun.

 

[yates84]

Could u take creatine when on msten?

Or a preworkout during cycle?

Creatine, yes. Preworkout supps are not reccomended on cycle. They can jack up your bp and n.o. supps can contribute to bad pumps, like back pumps

 

[booneman77]

Creatine, yes. Preworkout supps are not reccomended on cycle. They can jack up your bp and n.o. supps can contribute to bad pumps, like back pumps

Pretty much this. If you want a little boost, look for something strictly for focus (not pump or stim related). Focus xt caffeine free, choline, beta alanaine, alcar, etc are all good options.