bennoes
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So i came across this forum post/article on the net, originally by Primordial Performance i believe. Its called 'Clomid & Nolvadex – The Dark Side' (just search google and first link). It focuses on the side effects of Nolva and Clomid and says they shouldnt be used for pct in men as there are better alternatives.
Cliffnotes from another user on another forum are:
"Here is a summary (author's views, not mine - I am paraphrasing):
* Optimal HCG usage is 100iu ED from day 3 of your cycle up until a week before your last AAS clears.
* Almost as good, but more convenient is HCG at 500iu once a week
* Nolva is very toxic, a carcinogen, increases the risk of developing fatty liver disease and up-regulates the progesterone receptor, thereby increasing the chances of gyno in the future when using deca or tren.
* Clomid may be carcinogenic too, although there is less research on it than nolva. Clomid can cause eye/vision problems due to toxicity.
* Toremifene and Raloxifene are new SERMs. Both are safer, although the former is still toxic, and the latter can cause arterial blockage and is expensive.
* Resveratrol seems to be a better bet still, which has loads of benefits other than helping recovery. However, it won't fix gyno.
* GH and IGF-1 help testicular function, particularly the latter at 80mcg split twice daily."
Obviously Nolva and Clomid are widely used by aas users, but the article is interesting. But my thoughts are, there have been plenty of studies showing the positive effects these serms have and plenty of people have blood work to show their effectiveness in restoring hpta, but the side effects we dont really think about. What are your thoughts?
Cliffnotes from another user on another forum are:
"Here is a summary (author's views, not mine - I am paraphrasing):
* Optimal HCG usage is 100iu ED from day 3 of your cycle up until a week before your last AAS clears.
* Almost as good, but more convenient is HCG at 500iu once a week
* Nolva is very toxic, a carcinogen, increases the risk of developing fatty liver disease and up-regulates the progesterone receptor, thereby increasing the chances of gyno in the future when using deca or tren.
* Clomid may be carcinogenic too, although there is less research on it than nolva. Clomid can cause eye/vision problems due to toxicity.
* Toremifene and Raloxifene are new SERMs. Both are safer, although the former is still toxic, and the latter can cause arterial blockage and is expensive.
* Resveratrol seems to be a better bet still, which has loads of benefits other than helping recovery. However, it won't fix gyno.
* GH and IGF-1 help testicular function, particularly the latter at 80mcg split twice daily."
Obviously Nolva and Clomid are widely used by aas users, but the article is interesting. But my thoughts are, there have been plenty of studies showing the positive effects these serms have and plenty of people have blood work to show their effectiveness in restoring hpta, but the side effects we dont really think about. What are your thoughts?
