Epistane cycle. Critique me

[Wilkd]

Epistane 2a3a vital labs ( 3rd epi cycle)

30/30/40/40

Hawthorn berry
Multi vitamin
Fish oil
Glucosamine
Taurine on hand
Organ shield
Milk thistle

Pct:

Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
DAA 3G ED
Milk thistle
Clenbuterol (first or last 2 weeks) 80-120 mcg daily

Aromasin on hand.

I had a little bit of a puffy nipple incident, was just instructed to take aromasin for 4 weeks 12.5 ED.. Still have a full bottle of epi 2a3a by vital labs so I thought.. **** it, I'll just do that. Should shred some fat and build the chest a bit. I shouldn't take aromasin on cycle with epi right? And clen ON CYCLE with epi would just be over kill I believe. Anyway, give me your opinions, 4 weeks of epi or 4 weeks or aromasin and clen. Going to Miami in 5 weeks for ultra, don't want to be on cycle whilest out there.

 

[booneman77]

Epistane 2a3a vital labs ( 3rd epi cycle) 30/30/40/40 Hawthorn berry Multi vitamin Fish oil Glucosamine Taurine on hand Organ shield Milk thistle Pct: Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 DAA 3G ED Milk thistle Clenbuterol (first or last 2 weeks) 80-120 mcg daily Aromasin on hand. I had a little bit of a puffy nipple incident, was just instructed to take aromasin for 4 weeks 12.5 ED.. Still have a full bottle of epi 2a3a by vital labs so I thought.. **** it, I'll just do that. Should shred some fat and build the chest a bit. I shouldn't take aromasin on cycle with epi right? And clen ON CYCLE with epi would just be over kill I believe. Anyway, give me your opinions, 4 weeks of epi or 4 weeks or aromasin and clen. Going to Miami in 5 weeks for ultra, don't want to be on cycle whilest out there.

I wouldn't suggest clen during pct. It's very catabolic and will more then likely do 1 of two things:
1) eat away and new muscle you've just built and make you miserable
2) cause you to eat so much to maintain your muscle that you don't actually lose any fat.

Can't see that being a good place for it. Do the cycle or do the clen. Not both.

 

[Skooter]

3rd Epi cycle you should be a pro at the layout..

I think the dosing is low and 4 weeks is a waste..
With slow acting compounds id go 8 weeks or not at all.. ( If I was on an oral only cycle )

 

[Wilkd]

Fukin a man never even thought of that. Good call. Aromasin needed during epi PCT?

 

[Wilkd]

Eh that's questionable bro. 8 weeks on a pro hormone, that's pushin it. I'm more or less asking if I should run the epi or see how the aromasin works. Or if anyone would recommend anything new. It's been 10 months since my last cycle. But it's not winstrol or I'd run 8-10 weeks. Epi for 8 weeks, that's too long for a ph

 

[Skooter]

Besides that, I think your gtg..
I'd use Aromasin in pct also..

Epi is a steroid but it's mild as ****....
People run oral cycles for 10-12 weeks of compounds much harsher, they just don't post it so Un-experienced people get the notion to do so and get all screwed up..

 

[Wilkd]

12.5 ED? Are you supposed to taper off? I didn't use an AI last time. Could be why the puffy nipples.

 

[booneman77]

Eh that's questionable bro. 8 weeks on a pro hormone, that's pushin it. I'm more or less asking if I should run the epi or see how the aromasin works. Or if anyone would recommend anything new. It's been 10 months since my last cycle. But it's not winstrol or I'd run 8-10 weeks. Epi for 8 weeks, that's too long for a ph

If you're looking strictly to lean up Id do the clen and maybe a little arom at the tail end to dry you out. 6wks is better for epi but that may force you to pct while in Miami which I assume you don't want to do.

 

[booneman77]

12.5 ED? Are you supposed to taper off? I didn't use an AI last time. Could be why the puffy nipples.

you shodnt need to taper aromasin. It's suicidal so it won't cause any rebound or anything.

 

[Skooter]

I have gyno, I don't like gyno and I'd rather be safe lol
I don't have a set dosage ever, I dose as needed and when needed.. Tapering isn't really an issue for me personally..

 

[Skooter]

If you're looking strictly to lean up Id do the clen and maybe a little arom at the tail end to dry you out. 6wks is better for epi but that may force you to pct while in Miami which I assume you don't want to do.

I missed the Miami part, my bad..

 

[Wilkd]

Yeah man it's either epi before or just the clen, and a real cycle after

 

[Wilkd]

Cuz if I just wait I'm gonna run

Test e 600mg weeks 1-10 (or 12)
Equipoise 500 mg weeks 1-10( or 12)
Arimidex .25 EOD or .5 e3d weeks 3-10 (or 12)
HCG 500iu weeks 4-10 (or 12)
Or
HCG blast the 2 weeks between last pin and the start of pct

Pct:
Nolva 40-40-20-20
Clomid 75-50-50-25
DAA 3G

 

[Wilkd]

Hey skooter so when you do dose your aromasin, do you notice any decrease in your gyno?

 

[Skooter]

Hey skooter so when you do dose your aromasin, do you notice any decrease in your gyno?

I dose it whenever my feel my gyno flaring up...
It's easy to notice, then for a few days after, then EOD or what not.. I try not to go overboard with my AI and that's also why I like using Proviron.

 

[yates84]

3rd Epi cycle you should be a pro at the layout..

I think the dosing is low and 4 weeks is a waste..
With slow acting compounds id go 8 weeks or not at all.. ( If I was on an oral only cycle )

Agreed. At least 6 weeks for some results. Epistane is still obtainable

 

[rtmilburn]

I wouldn't suggest clen during pct. It's very catabolic and will more then likely do 1 of two things:
1) eat away and new muscle you've just built and make you miserable
2) cause you to eat so much to maintain your muscle that you don't actually lose any fat.

Can't see that being a good place for it. Do the cycle or do the clen. Not both.

Btw clen is anti catabolic. In studies it has actually shown to have a mild anabolic effect

 

[Wilkd]

I've read two sides of it. So you think it would be okay in PCT?

I think I will probably just hold off the sauce till after miami. No point in taking chances. Im probably just going to run

Clenbuterol 80-120 mcgs ED 2 weeks on 2 off
DAA 3 g ED
Aromasin 12.5 ED for 30 days

And see where that goes. Might not take the DAA. Would that **** with the estrogen coming back after i quit the aromasin? since my test will be higher my body will want to produce more estrogen right? Maybe stick to Clen and Aromasin

 

[booneman77]

Btw clen is anti catabolic. In studies it has actually shown to have a mild anabolic effect

you're gonna need to show me this. I've never heard that before

 

[booneman77]

I've read two sides of it. So you think it would be okay in PCT? I think I will probably just hold off the sauce till after miami. No point in taking chances. Im probably just going to run Clenbuterol 80-120 mcgs ED 2 weeks on 2 off DAA 3 g ED Aromasin 12.5 ED for 30 days And see where that goes. Might not take the DAA. Would that **** with the estrogen coming back after i quit the aromasin? since my test will be higher my body will want to produce more estrogen right? Maybe stick to Clen and Aromasin

skip the DAA. It won't impact anything enough to help. Personally DAA give me horrible sides anyways but that's just a small % of ppl.

 

[Driven2lift]

you're gonna need to show me this. I've never heard that before

Beta agonists are all muscle-sparing (ephedrine included but Clen is much stronger in this regard)

 

[rtmilburn]

Beta agonists are all muscle-sparing (ephedrine included but Clen is much stronger in this regard)

Yep thanks. I'll try to find a study in a little bit.

 

[rtmilburn]

Im having a hard time finding a quality study but I suck at using Google for this. But just google beta 2 antagonist and muscle growth and you'll see what other people on forums are saying as well as some studies(issues is that most of these only give abstract or are form places and websites ive never heard of or used)