first cycle gains

[nclifter28]

Guys i will be starting my first cycle in about a week. It will consist of

Halo extreme - 50/75/75/75/75/75
Bps Dermacrine- 3 pumps a day for 6 wks
Blockade (cycle support)

Pct
nolva( 20/20/10/10)
Alpha max
Daa

My real question is with a clean bulking diet of 500 cals over maintenance and this being my first cycle what kinda gains are realistic as far as strength and weight gains?

 

[Dma378]

Obviously there are a lot of factors, but I say to gain 12-15 and keep 8-10 is realistic.

 

[yates84]

Obviously there are a lot of factors, but I say to gain 12-15 and keep 8-10 is realistic.

^^this. Very realistic numbers if you are on point with everything

 

[dbrock504]

Obviously there are a lot of factors, but I say to gain 12-15 and keep 8-10 is realistic.

I doubt it. I was 1000 over maintenance eating really clean without the test base (not necessary with halo) gained 9 kept 7. strength went from bench after shoulder surgery 205x2 to 225x3. Deads 315x5 365x3. Squat 185x6 245x5.

Strength went through the roof for me and that's why I did halo. I was 8 months getting back from a knee surgery and minor shoulder surgery and wanted some of my strength back. Once I stopped eating so much (dropped 200 cal every 3 weeks to prepare for a cut), I went back down to my start weight but still kept most strength. Probably lost 10 lbs on everything.

Don't obsess over the scale

 

[Tabascoonall]

I just finished a cycle of epi and i went up 11 pounds for my first cycle so its really up to the indv. and how your diet is set up. but damn my strength gains went through the roof. Give it time to kick in don't get down on yourself

 

[dbrock504]

I just finished a cycle of epi and i went up 11 pounds for my first cycle so its really up to the indv. and how your diet is set up. but damn my strength gains went through the roof. Give it time to kick in don't get down on yourself

I'm 2 days shy of 4 weeks on epi haven't felt anything up 5 lbs on a surplus with tren. It definitely does depend on the person

 

[Tabascoonall]

I'm 2 days shy of 4 weeks on epi haven't felt anything up 5 lbs on a surplus with tren. It definitely does depend on the person

It was my first cycle so i guess it hit me hard, about to run my second one for this upcoming cut. for me epi didn't kick REALLY kick till week 4ish. Everyone is going to react to compounds different so its just something you have to try OP

 

[mountainman33]

Personally, I feel 500 over maintenance is too little. I shoot for 1,000 over myself with a minimum of 250 grams protein per day.

 

[dbrock504]

It was my first cycle so i guess it hit me hard, about to run my second one for this upcoming cut. for me epi didn't kick REALLY kick till week 4ish. Everyone is going to react to compounds different so its just something you have to try OP

Excuse my error. I'm on a deficit not a surplus. But you're right. Won't know till you try. Which is the fun of it lol

 

[Tabascoonall]

Excuse my error. I'm on a deficit not a surplus. But you're right. Won't know till you try. Which is the fun of it lol

couldn't agree more, its fun to try things out and see. wish there was no ban but we have to make the best out of it

 

[dbrock504]

couldn't agree more, its fun to try things out and see. wish there was no ban but we have to make the best out of it

I spent $600 on stuff lol. I figure that will give me enough time to understand real gear. If I ever decide to do that. Enough hijacking. Sorry op

 

[mixedup]

It depends alot on how close to your genetic limit you actually are a person close to there genetic limit might get a few pounds of a mild oral a person a good deal away could get alot more

 

[ArmstrongBrah]

It depends alot on how close to your genetic limit you actually are a person close to there genetic limit might get a few pounds of a mild oral a person a good deal away could get alot more

I feel as if you are far from your genetic limit, that means your diet and training are not on point and therefore resulting in a crappy cycle due.

 

[dbrock504]

I feel as if you are far from your genetic limit, that means your diet and training are not on point and therefore resulting in a crappy cycle due.

Man none of us are at our genetic limit taking this stuff. Only like 1% of people on am try to get as far as they can natty. Most of the people here that get on stuff aren't in the best shape nor looking to show. I mean, the op is asking about halodrol, not test e mast p and deca lol

 

[ArmstrongBrah]

Man none of us are at our genetic limit taking this stuff. Only like 1% of people on am try to get as far as they can natty. Most of the people here that get on stuff aren't in the best shape nor looking to show. I mean, the op is asking about halodrol, not test e mast p and deca lol

No I agree with us not being at our genetic limit. But I'm just saying is someone is far from their limit and is just the average joe...