18 yr old using T-1 Pro?

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  1. 18 yr old using T-1 Pro?

    Hey all

    I started weightlifting about 8 months ago and have made some decent gains, But im not near what my goals were for this summer . I was thinking about doing a 6 week cycle of T-1 Pro and following it up with 6 oxo and some twinlab tribulus fuel.

    I was wondering if taking, just 1 cycle of this to help me get about 15 more pounds would be detrimental to myself, beings I am only 18.

    Any feedback would be appreciated, thanks!

  2. No. And I wont be a prick about this like I normally am because you seem genuine in asking. 8 months is not even close to enough time in the weight room brother. Years and years, and then consider artificial hormones. We'll be glad to help you with your training and nutrition and supplement stacks to reach your goals.

  3. Bump.

  4. Double bump. You have huge potential still as a natural bro. Get yourself a solid diet, training regimen and some usfull sups and you'll put on that 15 pounds no problem. You still have enough test running around in your system.

    I'd recommend the following sups:

    Glutamine (I know YJ will disagree but..)
    Whey Protein
    Vit C
    Multi Vit
    Liver tabs

    These alone will give you major gains with the right diet and training. Don't be in such a rush bro, it takes time and you need to get a solid knowledge base of training and nutrition before you start messin with your hormones.

  5. Not only does glutamine suck, but I have no idea why you would recommend it for bulking, if you're going to waste your money, at least usr it for its 'muscle sparing effects' while cutting.

  6. Hehe, I knew you couldn't resist. Well like others I find it helps in my recovery and even with my pumps. I've run both with and without it and overall just feel it is of benifit to me.

    I could run and grab studies on it's cell volumizing effects when ingested with carbs and it's effects on protein sysnthiese but it's to damn late...but will if I must.

  7. Yes, thats great, but science proves otherwise.

  8. Originally posted by YellowJacket
    Yes, thats great, but science proves otherwise.
    hehe, ok just a sec.....

  9. Yea, go gather up your studies, make sure Prolabs and EAS wrote them. Glutamine just wont absorb in a high caloric diet.....ah, the power of placebo.

  10. Stimulatory effect of glutamine on glycogen accumulation in human skeletal muscle.

    Varnier M, Leese GP, Thompson J, Rennie MJ.

    Department of Anatomy and Physiology, University of Dundee, Scotland, United Kingdom.

    To determine whether glutamine can stimulate human muscle glycogen synthesis, we studied in groups of six subjects the effect after exercise of infusion of glutamine, alanine+glycine, or saline. The subjects cycled for 90 min at 70-140% maximal oxygen consumption to deplete muscle glycogen; then primed constant infusions of glutamine (30 mg/kg; 50 mg.kg-1.h-1) or an isonitrogenous, isoenergetic mixture of alanine+glycine or NaCl (0.9%) were administered. Muscle glutamine remained constant during saline infusion, decreased 18% during alanine+glycine infusion (P < 0.001), but rose 16% during glutamine infusion (P < 0.001). By 2 h after exercise, muscle glycogen concentration had increased more in the glutamine-infused group than in the saline or alanine+glycine controls (+2.8 +/- 0.6, +0.8 +/- 0.4, and +0.9 +/- 0.4 mumol/g wet wt, respectively, P < 0.05, glutamine vs. saline or alanine+glycine). Labeling of glycogen by tracer [U-13C]glucose was similar in glutamine and saline groups, suggesting no effect of glutamine on the fractional rate of blood glucose incorporation into glycogen. The results suggest that, after exercise, increased availability of glutamine promotes muscle glycogen accumulation by mechanisms possibly including diversion of glutamine carbon to glycogen.

    And this one but I was unable to find the abstract.

    : Roth E, Karner J, Ollenschlager G. Related Articles, Links
    Glutamine: an anabolic effector?
    JPEN J Parenter Enteral Nutr. 1990 Jul-Aug;14(4 Suppl):130S-136S. Review. No abstract available.

  11. Oh what do you know:

    The effect of free glutamine and peptide ingestion on the rate of muscle glycogen resynthesis in man.

    van Hall G, Saris WH, van de Schoor PA, Wagenmakers AJ.

    Department of Human Biology, Maastricht University, The Netherlands. [email protected]

    The present study investigated previous claims that ingestion of glutamine and of protein-carbohydrate mixtures may increase the rate of glycogen resynthesis following intense exercise. Eight trained subjects were studied during 3 h of recovery while consuming one of four drinks in random order. Drinks were ingested in three 500 ml boluses, immediately after exercise and then after 1 and 2 h of recovery. Each bolus of the control drink contained 0.8 g x kg(-1) body weight of glucose. The other drinks contained the same amount of glucose and 0.3 g x kg(-1) body weight of 1) glutamine, 2) a wheat hydrolysate (26% glutamine) and 3) a whey hydrolysate (6.6% glutamine). Plasma glutamine, decreased by approximately 20% during recovery with ingestion of the control drink, no changes with ingestion of the protein hydrolysates drinks, and a 2-fold increase with ingestion of the free glutamine drinks. The rate of glycogen resynthesis was not significantly different in the four tests: 28 +/- 5, 26 +/- 6, 33 +/- 4, and 34 +/- 3 mmol glucosyl units x kg(-1) dry weight muscle x h(-1) for the control, glutamine, wheat- and whey hydrolysate ingestion, respectively. It is concluded that ingestion of a glutamine/carbohydrate mixture does not increase the rate of glycogen resynthesis in muscle. Glycogen resynthesis rates were higher, although not statistically significant, after ingestion of the drink containing the wheat (21 +/- 8%) and whey protein hydrolysate (20 +/- 6%) compared to ingestion of the control and free glutamine drinks, implying that further research is needed on the potential protein effect.

  12. To save me some time, please see this thread:

    Glutamine is Worthless

  13. Originally posted by YellowJacket
    To save me some time, please see this thread:

    Glutamine is Worthless
    I know I've read the thread. What can I say, we can go back and forth but there's no point. I, like others, still find it to be of some benifit.

    And you don't seem to argue of it's benift in recovery.

  14. I argue its benefits in anything. Its a scam supplement. Any protein powder you have has more than enough glutamine in it to suffice. Dont mistake placebo for 'benefits'. We certainly can go back and forth, by to save time, I formulated the above mentioned thread (theres actually 2 here) that prove scientifically and with personal tesitmonials of its uselessness. Cant argue with that.

  15. Alright, Uncle until I can find that damn absract to Roth E, Karner J and Ollenschlager study.

  16. Ill help you look....

  17. Hehe, jesus there's alot of glutamine studies with rats.... .... still looking for that damn study. Everyone references it but knowbody shows it.

  18. This one?

    Glutamine: an anabolic effector?

    Roth E, Karner J, Ollenschlager G.

    First University Clinic of Surgery, Department of Pathophysiology, Vienna, Austria.

  19. Yep, that's the one. There isn't any absrtact avaiable though, and most info is reworded and then given that for reference. I'd love to be able to read the damn thing, maybe I'm totaly wrong but apparently that study holds the argument for it's properties in recovery..

  20. Of course it does, and if you read the rest of their studies, they work with NOTHING but glutamine and glutamate. Not impying anything, but its a bit fishy to me. I have a ****load of 'glutamine is good' articles if you want them, 90% of which have been dismissed, but pro-glutamine articles none the less. The majority are sponsored by EAS and one other company, imagine that.

  21. Well you maybe right YJ, the only one I seem to be able to find that supports this theroy is that one and it seems to be unavailable. I have to admit that most articles I've read claiming glutamine is good for recovery always refernce that study, and I am unable to find it, other than the title.

    I was able to find quite a few though that say it is useful in a caloric deficit and in patients after surgery or burn victims. However I'm not sure how that relates to stress from weight training, I don't think they are quite the same.

    Once again you have manage to beat down another glutamine advocate.... I give.

  22. OKKK....back to the original purpose of the thread, and not the discussion of glutamine, cuz we are all stubborn and wont listen worth a damn...i'm a bit older than you dannyboy, but i've been working out for almost 5 years (on and off, but solid the last 2 years)...you really have to get ur diet and everything else down before you use prohormones...i cant stress the importance of getting enough protein...then work on other stuff, liver tabs, creatine, glutamine if you believe it works, and flax seed oil...try that for a little while and see how your gains are...and then after a year or two, maybe then look at prohormones...but damn dude, you're only looking for a quick fix for the summer, that's ****ing stupid, this **** takes time...go have surgery done if you want a quick fix, otherwise shuddup and go lift...(and eat)

  23. Sorry dannyboy, didn't mean to highjack your thread.

    Bump that zeromagnus.

  24. I dont feel bad for going off course on this one as he should have known the answer before he posted.

  25. Originally posted by YellowJacket
    I dont feel bad for going off course on this one as he should have known the answer before he posted.
    Me or dannyboy?

  26. Whoever started this thread.

  27. well you are right i am looking for a quick fix i guess... But can anyone tell me if there are health problems if i were to use 1-test and 4ad? I know things about hurting joints and stuff because my muscles could grow to lift weights that my joints cant handle yet etc. But could it have the chance of messing up my natural test levels because im still young? or something along those lines..?

  28. and why the hell would i have surgery? im a body builder not a micheal jackson

  29. Originally posted by dannyboy5000
    well you are right i am looking for a quick fix i guess... But can. But could it have the chance of messing up my natural test levels because im still young? or something along those lines..?
    thats exactly what will happen. the use of androgens like 1-test will inhibit natural testosterone production. an issue of growth in height is an element as well. maybe someone could put this in better terms. on a side note, please dont speak ill of michael (ha). ive been in your shoes though DB. 4-5 years back, i debated about prohormone use, researchin'. asking questions, comparing pros/cons.....the obvious choice was to wait few more years til i felt maturally ready to handle the stuff and get more years of weight training under my belt man. Sage

  30. Kudos to you guys for handling this in the correct manner. Yes years and years it takes to learn how to liift and diet properly and you will learn so much in that time about your own body, you start to get into this stuff too early and that knowledge is lost.


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