18 yr old using T-1 Pro?

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  1. you just started lifting and you probably want to have that huge muscular feeling.

    i say go with no2 and creatine at the same time. thats boost the confidence and motivation.


  2. good point maui... another good idea is to not set unrealistic goals... I don't like long term goals anyway, as the very idea makes me feel confined by some "end point"... there shouldn't be an end result to what we're doing here, bb is constant improvement throughout one's life... but smaller daily goals, or goals for each training session, something that you can visualize and see constant improvement in all the time keeps confidence and motivation high... ****, I'd say at least 3 yrs before touching ph anyway, as I feel that within a few years time with strict dedication HUGE strides can be made regardless of the starting condition... educate yourself but don't worry about it yet, too much "unassisted" work left to do
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  3. dannyboy5000,

    You have no clue about prohormones. PH are not a magic pill. If you don't have your diet right on track, and a couple of solid years hard training under your belt, it's like tossing your money in the trash. Diet and sleep are responsible for 90% of your gains. PH are just another supp, like creatine, only with possible side effects. The fact that you are asking about ph shows you don't have the knowledge required to use them. One day on a message board just isn't enough. Research the possible sides: baldness, gyno, and closing of growth plates. Also the added strength imparted by ph can be hard on an untrained body, resulting in tendon injuries and overtraining and physical illness.

    Draven,

    Glutamine is a great supplement, and has tremendous benefits in recovery and alleviating post workout soreness. Problem is, most people don't take enough. I take 20-30 gms both pre and post-workout. When I run out I see a great difference in recovery. If skeptics want to call it placebo, let them. Whatever works; it's cheap insurance against soft tissue injury. Let the skeptics tell Jay Cutler to quit take taking glutamine... or Ronnie. And they are not subsidized by makers of glutamine.

  4. Once again, I dont think its a fair comparison to compare the likesa of novice bodybuilders to IFBB pros, especially Coleman or Cutler. I truly hope you see how absurd this is. Not to mention Im sure they get a nice chunk of change to say "I use glutamine". Please consider the amount of anabolic steriods they use, the amount of growth hormone they use, the amount of insulin they use, I dont think glutamine fits in there anywhere.

  5. Originally posted by John Benz
    dannyboy5000,

    You have no clue about prohormones. PH are not a magic pill. If you don't have your diet right on track, and a couple of solid years hard training under your belt, it's like tossing your money in the trash. Diet and sleep are responsible for 90% of your gains. PH are just another supp, like creatine, only with possible side effects. The fact that you are asking about ph shows you don't have the knowledge required to use them. One day on a message board just isn't enough. Research the possible sides: baldness, gyno, and closing of growth plates. Also the added strength imparted by ph can be hard on an untrained body, resulting in tendon injuries and overtraining and physical illness.
    PH are not a magic pill? I thought if i took them i would just have to stop worrking out completely and probably stop eating even. .. .... Please dont tell me what i do and do not know, unless you know me.

    I have researched PH for probably 75 hours+ over the last half year. Read many studies, read many more experiences, and know a few folk at my gym who have done a few cycles with great results (one+).

    I have my diet very strict, my training very strict, and my sleep schedule on track. I have already been supplementing with Nlarge 2 and Kaizen creatine.

    And for the fact that I am asking questions about something means I have no knowledge? I am jsut trying to learn more, What i want to hear from you guys is if you know of any experiences where something went horribly wrong with someone who has used PH's so early in their BB career. (as for the largest concern of my growth plate closing, i am positive my frame is done growing.)

    Thanks, i look foreward to some answers this time
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  6. Originally posted by John Benz

    Draven,

    Glutamine is a great supplement, and has tremendous benefits in recovery and alleviating post workout soreness. Problem is, most people don't take enough. I take 20-30 gms both pre and post-workout. When I run out I see a great difference in recovery. If skeptics want to call it placebo, let them. Whatever works; it's cheap insurance against soft tissue injury. Let the skeptics tell Jay Cutler to quit take taking glutamine... or Ronnie. And they are not subsidized by makers of glutamine.
    I also take 10g pre and another 20g post workout for recovery and also feel the difference when not using it. Unfortunately I was unable to adequately defend my position beyond personal expereince so really couldn't continue the debate. I'm still going to try and find that full study. I may just break down and pay for the damn thing to see if that study does confirm our position. I suspect it does but can't confirm that.

  7. Originally posted by Draven


    I also take 10g pre and another 20g post workout for recovery and also feel the difference when not using it. Unfortunately I was unable to adequately defend my position beyond personal expereince so really couldn't continue the debate. I'm still going to try and find that full study. I may just break down and pay for the damn thing to see if that study does confirm our position. I suspect it does but can't confirm that.
    Not to be an *******, but one study wont suffice. Ive posted a dozen or so and have around 7 or 8 more and I know Bobo has several he's yet to display also, so one study wont get the job done.

  8. Originally posted by YellowJacket


    Not to be an *******, but one study wont suffice. Ive posted a dozen or so and have around 7 or 8 more and I know Bobo has several he's yet to display also, so one study wont get the job done.
    well ill have to agree with both of you.. (oh boy i know bobo will be on here to blast me with 400 studies just cause he hates me lol).. but although i would not recommend buying glutamine because of its rediculous price in its pure form i do like it a lil bit because i noticed when my friend gave me some and i took it i wasnt as sore the next day and my recovery seemed a lil better.. but not worth the money.. hell optimum whey has some glutamine in it anyways.. 2.5 g per serving i believe.. not bad..

  9. Originally posted by dannyboy5000


    PH are not a magic pill? I thought if i took them i would just have to stop worrking out completely and probably stop eating even. .. .... Please dont tell me what i do and do not know, unless you know me.

    I have researched PH for probably 75 hours+ over the last half year. Read many studies, read many more experiences, and know a few folk at my gym who have done a few cycles with great results (one+).

    I have my diet very strict, my training very strict, and my sleep schedule on track. I have already been supplementing with Nlarge 2 and Kaizen creatine.

    And for the fact that I am asking questions about something means I have no knowledge? I am jsut trying to learn more, What i want to hear from you guys is if you know of any experiences where something went horribly wrong with someone who has used PH's so early in their BB career. (as for the largest concern of my growth plate closing, i am positive my frame is done growing.)

    Thanks, i look foreward to some answers this time
    Ha. Don't smart off to Benz. You have been lifting for 8 months and in that time you should have made a hell of a lot of gains. Not only are you new, and your body will respond well to ANY type of training, but you are 18 and your t-levels are still very high. Please, you probably are one of those people who want fast gains without worries of consequence. Let me see, you want facts? Fact: 1-test and 4ad **** with your hormonal endocrine system. This could cause permanent loss of libido or even impotence at your age. (our age) Fact: Increase risk of baldness. Fact: Rick of Gyno. Fact: Growth plate stunted, possiblity.
    I don't get off where you would want to use ph's after 8 months of lifting. Why don't you worry more about your diet and training and actually lifting some heavy weights before considering this. When you get a respectable physique, with years of hard work behind it, then you are worthy enough to use PH's. But until then, nut up and take the gains naturally.

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