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Whats up guys, man it's been almost a year since I ran anything IM ITCHING.

WIth that said, I have stumbled upon about 5 bottles of tbol (dont ask dont tell fellas) and plan to have some fun.

Here is what I am thinking for my layout (Please critique wherever you see errors, or idiocy)

I suppose some stats would be good huh?

Age- 21
Height 5 foot 8 inches
Weight: 215 lbs
BF% - 13-14% (top and middle abs are visible and I am horrible at estimating bodyfat)
Cycle = 8 weeks total

Support:
Liv52
IronLabs cycle support (2 caps per full dosage)
Animal pak (MV, self explanatory)
Fish oil (higher dosed in the winter months)
Dopadex (if needed, wont run throughout cycle)
Formeron ( if needed)

-Thats it, was thinking about running Adex, half dosed at 12.5 mg EOD, I know Tbol does not and cannot convert to estrogen however, Hdrol doesn't cannot convert to estrogen either via Aromatase, and I still ended up with a bit of Gyno I had to deal with. What do you think fellas?

Cycle Layout:

Morning :
ANimalpak
5 caps of fish oil
Achillies
Liv52
40mg Tbol

Afternoon:
20 mg tbol
Cycle assist (2 caps)
Liv52

Tbol will start out at 60 mg and be ramped up to 100mg at most.Most likely staying around 80mg tbh.

Seems simple enough, the dosing that is. The reason I am only dosing cycle assist once is because 1) we all know this sh1t is for peace of mind. 2) I have enough liver support with the animal pak + liv 52 that adding in more cycle assist would be a waste of money 3) tbol is not superdrol/dbol/anadrol/RamPissAdrol (<--- quite anabolic)

So really my only question would be running the adex EOD or not to control estro. If Adex would be to harsh I could always run either 2 pumps of formeron or 3 caps of new erase. Either / or not both. Also, lets talk test bases. I've heard people not getting the adrenergic side effects (like from halo/epi/sd etc) on tbol and it has been shown to increase libido and drive. I like to keep my cycles simple with only 1-2 compounds, but if I MUST add a test base in I will.

PCT:
NOlva 20/20/10/10
ABE: 4 caps
DAA 3/3/3/3
(An AI such as erase, formeron or adex if I decide to run that way)
Dopadex EOD
Liv52
Cycle assist
Other staples.


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All that is way too much to read So I never support oral only cycles. I guess my first question should be is it real T-ball or a prohormone?
 
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All that is way too much to read So I never support oral only cycles. I guess my first question should be is it real T-ball or a prohormone?
real tbol, do they make a prohormone turinabol? Didnt even know that. I usually don't but i've heard good thing about solo tbol. And I just wanted to lay everytthing out with detail, which is praised on this forum.
 

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looks good to me. what's your contingency plan for lethargy w/o a test base?
 
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looks good to me. what's your contingency plan for lethargy w/o a test base?
To be honest, I've heard (read and such) about people not getting those side effects at all on Tbol. But I might as well toss in some injectable test or tr3st, whichever I can get the quickest.

mmm must've mis read on another compound, going to toss in tr3st which means i will run taht adex on cycle as well
 

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yea, i'd say at least have something on hand. trest usually works for me as i'm not completely on the dark side yet. :)
 
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yea, i'd say at least have something on hand. trest usually works for me as i'm not completely on the dark side yet. :)
indeedly. Lol I was scoping out threads over on steroidforums and this one guy thought he had a bad batch of tbol, turns out he had h1n1 lol! Crazy man, sometimes I think a lot of this stuff is mental more than physical.
 
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ordered my tr3st, gonna run it at 50mg throughout the cycle, I only wqant it for support, not really in the mood to go high with it and dealwith the estro effects it could cause. May top it out at 75mg though.
 

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tbol might be dry enough to offset the trest, but better not to take chances if you are gyno-prone. i prefer the transdermal because the oral doesn't seem to last that long. you gotta pop one every 3-4 hours. i have only taken the 10 mg tho, maybe the 25 lasts a bit longer.
 
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tbol might be dry enough to offset the trest, but better not to take chances if you are gyno-prone. i prefer the transdermal because the oral doesn't seem to last that long. you gotta pop one every 3-4 hours. i have only taken the 10 mg tho, maybe the 25 lasts a bit longer.
10mg total of tr3st? It isn't about dryness, it is about elevated estrogen levels leading to gyno, which I do not want to deal with lol. I think thats right, the half life is about 4 hours or so ( i think 6 to be exact). But upon further reading MENT (or tr3st) is apparently an inhibitor of aromatase enzyme and does not aromatize as much as testosterone , in vivo.
 

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no 10 mg at a time, i started at 40 and got up as high as 70 i think. i have experienced some bloat on it but no gyno. but i think i have always ran an ai every other day, either some formeron, atd, or exem
 
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no 10 mg at a time, i started at 40 and got up as high as 70 i think. i have experienced some bloat on it but no gyno. but i think i have always ran an ai every other day, either some formeron, atd, or exem
gotcha gotcha, good stuff. I was about to say, 10 mg of tr3st is nothing lol. Going to pop 25 mg every 5 hours or so. Morning/afternoon/night. Or just morning/late afternoon if im gonna start out at 50mg./
 

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i had trouble with heartburn when i dosed it high orally. also spikes my blood pressure when i take it transdermally, but that seems to sort itself out after awhile. other than that, no sides!
 
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Got my tbol today damn it I must resist taking any until I get my tr3st -___________-
 
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I've been on TD trest for 2.5 weeks. Started TBOL 1 week ago.

My last run was trest/ EPI and the results were phenominal. I'm hoping for similar results this time.

Oh and I am at 100mg/ day transdermal formestane. Last cycle I ended up needing 200mg after I dropped the EPI. Dymatize liver support, that's it.

So 100mg trest
40mg TBOL ramping up to 60mg the last 4 weeks of 6.

I'm prone to hair loss so I don't want to overdo the TBOL, even though trest all but eliminates DHT since test production is shut down and trest does NOT 5-alpha reduce. Aww phuck it might bump it up to 8-0 the last 2 weeks :D
 
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Where'd you guys buy your tr3st? ****ing nutri verse says "expected release date is January 9th" wtf is that ****. Olympus Labs
 
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Wow I just realized I have dermacrine Ahahah well works for me starting this bad boy!
 
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Derm sounds "safer", Trest sounds funner. :p. Although, if I had some BP meds, just in case, id push for Trest. It should add more to your gains, then Derm. Derm wont be much than a test base. Dem feels.
 
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Trestolone has a high binding affinity for the ar, tbol binds to the shbg efficiently which would amplify the effects of the trest so thats a good combo imo.
 
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If I didn't already have the derma, then I would. But no need to buy tr3st now
 
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Also the guy I emailed from nutriverse said tr3st Is on the banned list and they won't carry PHs anymore .... Anyone confirm that? I thought tr3st wasn't on the list
 
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i don't think its on the banned list, but OL did stop production from what I understand.

Celtic is still selling their TD and injectable Trest
 
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i don't think its on the banned list, but OL did stop production from what I understand.

Celtic is still selling their TD and injectable Trest
injectable trest you say.....
 
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You do know Halo was the PH to Tbol right?
 
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You do know Halo was the PH to Tbol right?
Yeah but where shall I buy hdrol now :/ hence why tbol is like "a high dosed hdrol".

My first run was hdrol, was awesome, gained 25lbs. Now that I have the actual active steroid that isn't methylated, I wana see what I can do on this recomp.

McCrew, y u doubt me :,(
 
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I no doubt you Mr more. Me wanna make sure you know. You know?
(insert very fob Asian voice)
 
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I no doubt you Mr more. Me wanna make sure you know. You know?
(insert very fab Asian voice)
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i dew i dewww. I am actually curious to see what these supp companies are going to come out with next. A proProHormone, precursor to the precursor of a steroid lol. Quad-Methylated, lolol.

I actually do have some helladrol left, but my god at week 5.5 I couldn't eat and was tired as sh1t. My liver took a beating. I am hoping I do not feel like that on Tbol, which I really shouldn't. I heard the same thing though, lipid levels and high BP has been reported. Been taking CoQ10 and cycle assist etc to help with that shizz.
 
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You should be fine if you reacted well to halo tbol should treat you better. Hell the Germans were feeding it to their athletes for years with very little I'll effect
 
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didnt they write a whole guide on how to cycle tbol? i gotta search for that thing.
 
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I'm sure someone did somewhere
 
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Soooo whats up with this log bro?
 
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Soooo whats up with this log bro?
Lol haven't been logging it. But I'm leaner. Just moved my carbs peri workout, added 20 mins of cardio a day, and my strength is up. Just started a john meadows program and I'm loving it so far. Feeling full and good. Only 8 days in too. The dhea/preg is keeping my libido where it needs to be to.

Added in 0.15g of adex EOD as well.
 
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Nice I was wondering what happened the thread just died. did you find the cycle guide?
 
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**** it, this is now my log for this cycle.

Currently 11 days in at 60mg of tbol, 0.15mg adex EOD and 4 pumps dermacrine. This will be my.last oral cycle before I start injecting :,(

Chest/should pump day this morning.

Machine press 3x10 worked up to a heavy weight that I could barley get 10 for. At that point, last set, I hit amrap with partials.

Assisted dips 3x10 with a slow stretch and squeeze amrap

Twist db press ss with over and backs with a band x3

Db side lateral raise partials, sets of 30 SS with rope front delt raises x3 (right shoulder joint was dry so I had to stop at 3 sets, upped my fish oil and added on extra joint support)

Cable shoulder press 30/20/10/20/30 set (what I call a there and back set, awesome finisher)

As I left the gym, in a rush to get into work on time, I forgot to do rear Delts. But did them earlier this week so no biggie, Still a huge pump.

My carbs are all peri workout, after that its protein and fats. So this has me at 220-250g of carbs a day, including intra carbs.

Doing this allows me to build mass but get leaner.

Cardio is liss done every day 20 minutes a day.

Calories are 3100-3200calories which is 200/300 calories over maintenance on workout days. Off days I dropped my carbs to below 100g and eat more fat and protein. This puts my calories at 2500 , which is 400 below my tdee.

So far so good, sitting at 215lbs, that's only 1lbs up from where I started. However, I am way leaner in the mid section and more vascular. So I have to say, this recomp is going well.
 
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Nice bro I will be following along to see how this treats you.
 
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Thanks McCrew, we shall see how this works!

Oddly enough, I have what I thought was a little bit of gyno in my right nipple. However, now it looks like it has cleared itself up. I'm wondering if the adex had something to do with that or if it was just fat stuck near my glands. Either way, glad that has cleared up. I am feeling dryer, the adex must he doing its job then.

I also feel and look harder.

Interesting stuff thus far.
 
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Smashed arms today with 3 super sets and then calves/abs/cardio.

Rope pushdown ss cable curl x4
Dips ss hammer curls x4
Protnated kickbacks ss incline db curl x4

Calf raises seated and standing total of 8 sets

Cable crunches ss hanging leg raises x4

Cardio= 20 minutes incline walking

Nutrition:
100g of carbs pre
50g of carbs intra
100g of carbs post

(Protein = 250g and fill in the rest with fats later at night)

Weight is holding at 214 lbs in the morning. Looking leaner as the days go on. Moving the carbs peri-workout was a good idea. Upping the adex from 0.15g EOD to 0.25g EOD.
 
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Are you noticing estro sides?
 
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I will be following your log; I too am on Tbol. I am on 40mg/ day along with 75-100 trest. . Been on trest 4 weeks, Tbol 2.5. Pumps are starting to show up big time. Getting in extra reps too, and starting to feel fuller throughout the day. Noticeable reduction in range of motion due to bicep pumps even just sitting at the computer.
 
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Are you noticing estro sides?
my small bit of gyno in my right nipple seems to be flaring up a bit, just trying to control it with the adex. I am on 4 pumps of derma, it has the 7,8benzo in it for an AI but im assuming that isn't strong enough or something is up. Just being cautious. I am also bumped up to 60mg a day/4 pumps of derma. Other than that no sides.
 
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I will be following your log; I too am on Tbol. I am on 40mg/ day along with 75-100 trest. . Been on trest 4 weeks, Tbol 2.5. Pumps are starting to show up big time. Getting in extra reps too, and starting to feel fuller throughout the day. Noticeable reduction in range of motion due to bicep pumps even just sitting at the computer.
shwelcome aboard mate.
 
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Today consisted of heavy squats and massive pumps.

Hit a seated leg curl for hammys working up to a hard set of 10, 4 sets and then a drop set after. After that, 20 partial reps and my hammys were pumped.

Squated, did a few warm up sets and worked up to 315x5x3 then 135x12 drop set.

Leg press. Well..this sucked. Kept ky feet close and in the middle of the platform. Worked up to a hard set of 20 reps. Then kept upping the weight, a plate each time, and kept hitting 20 reps no matter what. After that I ran to the bathroom to dry heave.

Then I did RDLs super settled with leg extensionsx3.

Walked into the parking lot and blew chunks near my car. Success.

I took about 10mg of Viagra pre workout. That pump was insane but I felt almost to relaxed. The endurance was top notch. Now I'm going to shower and call up a female to try the rest of this Viagra on.

Later gents.
 
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Today consisted of heavy squats and massive pumps.

Hit a seated leg curl for hammys working up to a hard set of 10, 4 sets and then a drop set after. After that, 20 partial reps and my hammys were pumped.

Squated, did a few warm up sets and worked up to 315x5x3 then 135x12 drop set.

Leg press. Well..this sucked. Kept ky feet close and in the middle of the platform. Worked up to a hard set of 20 reps. Then kept upping the weight, a plate each time, and kept hitting 20 reps no matter what. After that I ran to the bathroom to dry heave.

Then I did RDLs super settled with leg extensionsx3.

Walked into the parking lot and blew chunks near my car. Success.

I took about 10mg of Viagra pre workout. That pump was insane but I felt almost to relaxed. The endurance was top notch. Now I'm going to shower and call up a female to try the rest of this Viagra on.

Later gents.
Quick story. Hope this isn't TMI. 45mg EPI (very androgenic) and 75mg trest (very androgenic) combined with 15mg Cialis and 2.5 grams of phenibut.... OMG best sex ever... Typically I've always been good for getting a chick off one good time then busting basically at the same time or right after.
I sh!t you not I ****ed 3 chicks on that cycle and the LEAST amount of times I got them off before I busted was 3. Most in one night was 6.

Not bragging its not like I have a huge dick or anything but DAMN. That was some intense secks!! I think it was the epi mostly. One or two before sex had me feeling like king kong. On cocaine lol. I also figured out that most chicks, in Oklahoma at least, like being choked, having their hair pulled and even getting slapped in the face during sex lol.

Probably TMI but I had to get that off my chest
 
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Quick story. Hope this isn't TMI. 45mg EPI (very androgenic) and 75mg trest (very androgenic) combined with 15mg Cialis and 2.5 grams of phenibut.... OMG best sex ever... Typically I've always been good for getting a chick off one good time then busting basically at the same time or right after.
I sh!t you not I ****ed 3 chicks on that cycle and the LEAST amount of times I got them off before I busted was 3. Most in one night was 6.

Not bragging its not like I have a huge dick or anything but DAMN. That was some intense secks!! I think it was the epi mostly. One or two before sex had me feeling like king kong. On cocaine lol. I also figured out that most chicks, in Oklahoma at least, like being choked, having their hair pulled and even getting slapped in the face during sex lol.

Probably TMI but I had to get that off my chest
Never tmi man feel free to share. Some girls are straight freaks, nothing wrong with being a little rough and dominating some women.

I actually tried out taking 200mg theanine, 2 caps of kno3, 1g phenibut = epicness. I made my ex-gf tap out. We went at it for ****ing 2 hours, it was a cardio session. Surprised I wasn't chafed by the end of it, she was lol.

This Viagra doeeee, pretty fun.

How's your libido on tbol/trest? Mine is steadily.climbing.
 
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