1st prohormone cycle. RPN Havoc

[Nickyboiroy]

Hi guys, I'm due to start my first PH cycle on the 5th of January. I'm 32 years old and been lifting for approx 10 years.
I play semi pro football and I'm looking to add some muscle and strength while staying lean.

I track my macros, I eat good quality meats and eggs and get large servings of greens 100+grams at each of my 5 meals. Carbs come from basmati rice, potatos and gluten free oats. Carbs I cycle dependant on my training loads each day.

I'm approx 72kgs, 5ft 8 and I'm currently eating 3200 cals per day.

As its my first cycle I only want to run it for 4 weeks with a 3-4 week PCT.

I will run havoc at 30/30/30/20 tapering off on the last week. 10 at breakfast, 10 at lunch and 10 about 6pm pre workout.
I will also be taken a good quality milk thistle twice per day along with glutathione twice per day alongside a good quality joint supplement. I also have some muscleze in preparation for any back pumps.

PCT will be ROHM labs PCT tabs. X3 tabs per day for 2 weeks and then 2 tabs per day for another week.

I would like to run this keeping sides to an absolute minimum while keeping my body as healthy a possible. I will be drinking 4+ litres of water per day also.

Is there anything else I could do to improve the cycle/minimise sides?

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

[Nickyboiroy]

Any advice would be much appreciated guys.

 

[soul0wner]

I haven't ran Epi yet, but from everything I've read.. You will want to run it for 6 weeks and not taper off at the end.

 

[wtfmactruck]

I did a havoc cycle two years ago.I ran it at 30 mg for 5 weeks and had no sides at all not even back pumps.but it took till the last week for this to kick in. If I was run it again I would definitely do 40 mg or more.

 

[LeanEngineer]

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Running epi is perfect for your first cycle. If you have some questions read up on our info page! and I would recommend an on cycle support product if you dont already have one. Here's a link to our top 5 at Strong Supplement Shop.
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[mountainman33]

You'll need a SERM for PCT. OTC PCTs generally aren't enough. 6 weeks would be much more beneficial for you given that most people don't see full results from Epi until week 2 or 3. You could cut it to 5 weeks, but I would recommend 6, even if it's your first cycle. And an on cycle support more than just milk thistle is recommended.

Lastly, you'll want an AI on hand for potential estrogen rebound as Epi is notorious for that.

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[Nickyboiroy]

Thanks guys my pct is ROHM labs pct which is as follows per tab.

20mg Nolvadex
50MG Clomid
25mg Proviron
PT141 Sex Hormone/ Testosterone Booster

I am now on day 4 of the cycle. No real noticeable difference in size or strength and not really any sides. Last 2 days I have got slight chest pains in my sternum but think that might be from some pec growth as I had a crazy chest workout Sunday.

 

[hide83]

Thanks guys my pct is ROHM labs pct which is as follows per tab. 20mg Nolvadex 50MG Clomid 25mg Proviron PT141 Sex Hormone/ Testosterone Booster I am now on day 4 of the cycle. No real noticeable difference in size or strength and not really any sides. Last 2 days I have got slight chest pains in my sternum but think that might be from some pec growth as I had a crazy chest workout Sunday.

That looks like an awesome product. I'll have to check that out.

 

[bobbybondmo]

Sub

 

[Nickyboiroy]

I'm now exactly 7 days into my cycle. 30mgs each day.

To be honest I don't feel any different at this stage. No real sides, had some mild chest pains earlier in the week but think that was more muscular/tendon related from my push day.

Weight has increased by around a kilo but I'm eating quite a bit more and bodyfat has gone up quite a bit. No real increase in strength either.

I would think the weight gain is more from the extra calories/water and change of workout style, but I could be wrong.

I'm a tad worried a have a fake Epistane product but we will see. I was expecting to feel a little different while on Epistane but I feel no difference at all. Maybe it's too early in the cycle to make judgement. We will see!

 

[LeanEngineer]

It wont kick in til later in the cycle. Just keep your diet up and training hard and keep the cycle rolling and give it time.

 

[Dma378]

Weeks 2-3 are where you should start to notice things. Be patient.

 

[Nickyboiroy]

Thanks for your input. I will keep tracking!

 

[Nickyboiroy]

A quick update. Now on day 12. No size or strength increases or sides to report yet. I hope it kicks in soon as Ive increased intensity in my training to take advantage of the cycle and starting to feel like I'm over training a tad. Hopefully if this stuff does kick in no doubt it will improve recovery

 

[soul0wner]

A quick update. Now on day 12. No size or strength increases or sides to report yet. I hope it kicks in soon as Ive increased intensity in my training to take advantage of the cycle and starting to feel like I'm over training a tad. Hopefully if this stuff does kick in no doubt it will improve recovery

12 days in and definitely no strength gains? Like 3-4 days in for me I was pumping out heavier weight.

 

[Nickyboiroy]

I'm a bit concerned I've got a poor product, or I'm a non responder but I've heard it can take a couple of weeks to kick in as its a slow acting compound. I've literally felt nothing, no aching joints, no increased libido, no extra pumps or strength/size gains which is a bit of a worry. Not sure whether to buy another bottle and up the dose or just stay as I am for another week and see if I get any results, if not maybe stop it and save my pct for a different cycle

 

[Dodsey_123]

I'm on day 8 of my first cycle of havoc and starting to notice some slight strength gains. A previous 5 rep max on overhead press I did 8 reps of today. Keep at the epi though, should kick in soon.

 

[Nickyboiroy]

I've listed the ingredients of my PCT tabs above. Given what's in the tabs would you think I would need anything else for a pct?

 

[Dodsey_123]

I'm using nolvadex and a test-booster for my PCT. Some people say nolva is not needed for havoc, but I mean it's better to be safe than sorry. You can't get nolva over the counter, but if you can get your hands on some I would advice you take it

 

[Nickyboiroy]

Tabs have as follows
20mg Nolvadex
50MG Clomid
25mg Proviron
PT141 Sex Hormone/ Testosterone Booster

 

[Dodsey_123]

Sorry didn't see that. Looks sweet, can't think of anything else you could need. Hope the epi kicks in soon for you buddy. Enjoy

 

[Nickyboiroy]

Thanks. Will post updates

 

[mgkoret]

I didn't respond till week 3-4 and I upped to 40mg by week 3. Just saying. Then it was awesome

 

[Nickyboiroy]

Yes I think I might up to 40, as it was my first cycle the aim was to run at 30 but I may need a higher dose

 

[yates84]

Yes I think I might up to 40, as it was my first cycle the aim was to run at 30 but I may need a higher dose

45 was my sweet spot, kick up your dose and you should see some effects soon

 

[Nickyboiroy]

Can I knidly ask guys how you would spread the dose of 40mg?
Currently taking 10mg at 8am, 10mg at 12pm and 10mg at 6pm. Last dose at 6pm as I've read in numerous threads not to take too late in the day. So when would you suggest taking the extra 10mg? Or should I double last dose?

Thanks in advance

 

[Dma378]

I would take 20 am, 20 pm. 12 hours apart. Half-life is 8-12 hours. Keep it simple.

 

[mgkoret]

I would take 20 am, 20 pm. 12 hours apart. Half-life is 8-12 hours. Keep it simple.

Yep

 

[Nickyboiroy]

Excellent 20mg at 8am and 20mg at 6pm pre workout.

Thanks

 

[cortex]

subbed. has it kicked in yet?

 

[Nickyboiroy]

I don't think so, weight is a couple of pounds up but ate loads over the weekend so I think I can put it down to some over eating. Strength is pretty much consistent. Getting the odd rep extra on each set but nothing I wouldn't normally get on a bulk really. Got a couple of spots on my back but no sides other than that. I think my nuts might be a tad smaller but I'm not 100% sure.
No substantial changes at all.

 

[soul0wner]

I don't think so, weight is a couple of pounds up but ate loads over the weekend so I think I can put it down to some over eating. Strength is pretty much consistent. Getting the odd rep extra on each set but nothing I wouldn't normally get on a bulk really. Got a couple of spots on my back but no sides other than that. I think my nuts might be a tad smaller but I'm not 100% sure. No substantial changes at all.

How far into it are you today?

 

[Nickyboiroy]

Day 16

 

[soul0wner]

Day 16

hmm.. I think I'm on the exact same day as you and I've seen strength increases, not so much of size yet.. But a little bit.

 

[Nickyboiroy]

I'm the same my weight is up around 2-2.5kg since I started but I am eating 600 cals over maintenance and bodyfat is way higher. I had abs when I started now I'm getting lots of fat around lower belly and im definitely much less defined. I guess there is still time for it to kick in. I'm on day 3 of 40mg now also

 

[Nickyboiroy]

My first tub of epi was from here was from best supps . Co . UK

And my second which is about to be delivered is from predator nutrition.

It could well be that the first batch was fake, as soon as the new bottle arrives I will use that only and see what happens
I think it is genuine, I just took 2 tabs and then burped and it made my eyes water!!

 

[cortex]

I had my first 20mg of rpn havoc from predator. I went to gym today thinking "this stuff won't do anything...its prob over rated or ill have to wait 3 weeks before it kicks in. "

But it was an insane gym session...All my reps were up 10kg. My rest time between sets was about 20 seconds lol.

Drank a lot of water. I'm waiting for the increased hunger to kick in n see what that's like.

 

[Nickyboiroy]

I'm sorry I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I don't think one 20mg dose would increase your lifts by 10kg. It's either placebo or you weren't lifting hard beforehand.

 

[Nickyboiroy]

What are some common symptoms of high BP? Chest feels tight at times so wonder if that's BP? Haven't had any nose bleeds or headaches at all though

 

[cortex]

True story.
I cat explain it either but I'm ruling out the placebo hypothesis as I went in the gym thinking it wouldn't even work. I do agree that it's unlikely a single low dose can act with such potency and vigour.

The only thing I changed is I didn't take my creatine , no xplode, beta alanine today.

I felt like I'd taken a stimulant though. .. reminded me of speed.

 

[cortex]

Re: your BP question.
I found that I could hear the blood rushing around my ears. I bought a BP monitor from amazon a few days ago to keep logs. They're not that expensive

 

[Nickyboiroy]

What are you running alongside the havoc?

 

[cortex]

seven seas cod liver/fish oil
centrum multivits
AI SPORTS NUTRITION Cycle Support

for PCT i got Nolva and a test booster (Activate Xtreme)


How about you?
Do you think i need anything else?

 

[Nickyboiroy]

Checked weight this morning and I'm up 2.9kg so far.

I also managed 2 sets of squats with 1.5x body weight at 15 reps. My starting reps on day 1 were 10 so maybe this stuff is starting to kick in.

 

[cortex]

nice one!
see my post above.

PS i think my appetite increased a lot yesterday because i didn't have any pre workout..the no explode suppresses appetite. but i have no explanation for that immediate strength gain. Got chest day today so it'll be interesting to see what happens in a couple hours when i hit the weights

 

[Nickyboiroy]

I'm no expert, but I did buy some taurine for back pumps which I haven't used yet and I'm also taking joint support and fish oil, milk thistle and glutathione. To be fair though I've not really needed any of them. I've no real sides at all, Ive taken activate extreme before on its own and I think I got worse side from that than the epi

 

[cortex]

what kinda sides did u get from Activate Xtreme?
so what r u going to use for PCT??

 

[Dma378]

Checked weight this morning and I'm up 2.9kg so far. I also managed 2 sets of squats with 1.5x body weight at 15 reps. My starting reps on day 1 were 10 so maybe this stuff is starting to kick in.

Good to hear. Still been following.

 

[Nickyboiroy]

I've got some ROHM labs pct tabs. Google it and it will come up.

 

[cortex]

sound like a good combo! I got me some nova just incase. don't wanna take any risks...i think Pct is the most important stage and needs the most planning and research.