super dmz. not so super

[clk]

i started a solo cycle of ironmag labs super dmz 3.0. also taking anabolic matrix and advanced cycle support on cycle with it.
i am 14 days on cycle. i feel ABSOLUTELY nothing. no back pump. no lethargy. no psych change. no change in appetite. nothing. i was taking the recommended two caps a day (20mg) for 6 days. bumped it up to 3 caps a day for 5 days. now im taking 4 caps a day and have been for 3 days now. i still feel nothing. i get more aggression and psych change with a cup of green tea and coffee than i am with this dmz. what gives? any ideas?

if it matters, im 6'5 240 about 13% bf. eating 4k-4500 calories a day split up 45p/45c/10f. thats just my foundation of the diet. all the meals are prepped to give me those numbers. however, i will eat more if i go come across it. go out to dinner with the girlfriend for instance. im not after aesthetics. just strength.

 

[MuscleJ]

A lot of good reviews on it my man. Did you contact a rep?

 

[clk]

i know there is. thats why im baffled. i keep hearing great things. however, i have nothing. i havent talked to a rep. havent even thought about it honestly. i have two bottles of it. wonder if the bottle im taking now is just a bad batch or something. im completely baffled.

 

[MuscleJ]

I'm sure there willing to help. Keep bottles and provide batch # to them

 

[clk]

are there any reps on this forum?

 

[Dma378]

So at 4 caps a day, that's 40mg DMZ and 40mg Msten. Very interesting that you feel nothing. Even when you were only taking 2 caps per day, that's not a lot of DMZ, but 20mg of Msten a day is decent. So you are not feeling any positive results but how about sides? Feeling anything negative?

 

[Dma378]

Let me also add that the 2 week mark is kind of the "kicking in" point for many ph's. I have run Msten and DMZ, both solo and 2 weeks for sure was the launch for the DMZ. I did feel the Msten after only a couple days though. That's the compound in there that has me a little surprised that you feel nothing yet even at 30-40mg's a day.

 

[clk]

So at 4 caps a day, that's 40mg DMZ and 40mg Msten. Very interesting that you feel nothing. Even when you were only taking 2 caps per day, that's not a lot of DMZ, but 20mg of Msten a day is decent. So you are not feeling any positive results but how about sides? Feeling anything negative?

i have not felt any sides until this afternoon. i started to feel a tight lower back today. however, it might be my kidney. right above the glute. pretty close to the spine. not sure if that would be a kidney or not. other than that, no sides to note.

i know that these compounds usually take about two weeks to fully kick in. however, on my other cycles, id notice small changes before hand. for me, my scrotum would start to pull my testicles up close to the body at the start of a cycle. then later, full effects of the cycle would kick in. today was a day off for me. if i still dont feel anything in the gym tomorrow morning, im starting my pct and getting off the cycle.

 

[Dma378]

That's a bummer, but probably a logical safe plan.

 

[clk]

yea it sucks. now is really the only time for me to cycle too. i start school next month. i dont want to be on cycle at that point due to lethargy, brain fog and aggression. im a vet and dealing with those retards at school is already hard enough. i dont need anabolics in me making it any harder hahaha


i just sent ironmag labs an email about the product. hopefully they can help me out. refund or something.

 

[Dma378]

yea it sucks. now is really the only time for me to cycle too. i start school next month. i dont want to be on cycle at that point due to lethargy, brain fog and aggression. im a vet and dealing with those retards at school is already hard enough. i dont need anabolics in me making it any harder hahaha


i just sent ironmag labs an email about the product. hopefully they can help me out. refund or something.

Lol, at least you know your limitations!!! Best of luck in the situation man and hope you have better luck next time.

P.S. OL DMZ is fantastic. 6 weeks at 40mg, 1 bottle.

 

[Abe Lincoln]

I can feel that man. Didn't want to be lethargic during my exams, but almost done and going to jump up on cycle. Good luck on the next run!

 

[stann123]

Whered you purchase it from?

 

[clk]

Lol, at least you know your limitations!!! Best of luck in the situation man and hope you have better luck next time.

P.S. OL DMZ is fantastic. 6 weeks at 40mg, 1 bottle.

My limitations are pretty short lol
man, all i have read and heard about DMZ is nothing but good stuff. i was really excited about this cycle. last cycles i did was when i was doing bodybuilding type training. i was younger and much less experienced. i wasnt eating nearly enough but i got damn big! this time around, i thought it would be wild because im eating sooooo much more food and my training is much more intense. BUUUT, i guess not. damn

 

[clk]

Whered you purchase it from?

mysupplementstore.com

 

[clk]

I can feel that man. Didn't want to be lethargic during my exams, but almost done and going to jump up on cycle. Good luck on the next run!

i think my next run im just gonna stop bull ****ting and just get the real deal. no orals.

 

[clk]

I can feel that man. Didn't want to be lethargic during my exams, but almost done and going to jump up on cycle. Good luck on the next run!

what are you planning on running? you gonna start a log?

 

[Abe Lincoln]

what are you planning on running? you gonna start a log?

I'm not looking to pin yet, but trest deca is interesting.. MHD, Msten, and dermacrine

 

[LeanEngineer]

That's weird I've ran sdmz 3.0 solo and I had good results. Ha. Its prolly the batch or something.

 

[clk]

That's weird I've ran sdmz 3.0 solo and I had good results. Ha. Its prolly the batch or something.

thats what im thinking. i bought two bottles because i was going to run it around 6 weeks if the sides wernt too bad. so ive thought about just opening that bottle. but i think im just going to hold off. i started my pct this morning. my cycle is over and it was a total waste of time, money and probably health in some way or form.

 

[SquatsAndOats]

thats what im thinking. i bought two bottles because i was going to run it around 6 weeks if the sides wernt too bad. so ive thought about just opening that bottle. but i think im just going to hold off. i started my pct this morning. my cycle is over and it was a total waste of time, money and probably health in some way or form.

Did you contact the company you bought if from or the lab? I'm curious to see what they say

 

[clk]

Did you contact the company you bought if from or the lab? I'm curious to see what they say

i sent them an email from their web page http://www.ironmaglabs.com/contact/ stating what ive mentioned above. i have not heard back from them. but its the weekend. so they may be out of office. i still have an unopened bottle of the stuff. i wonder if its good.

 

[Nitro41]

How are your workouts? Im in my last week of dmz now. Pumps are straight retarded. Shoulder days feels like the gyms a torture chamber haha. Delts are blowin up.

Sucks you had bad luck so far man. Hope they get back to you, maybe throw another bottle to you to try or somthin.

 

[EatMoar]

I can feel that man. Didn't want to be lethargic during my exams, but almost done and going to jump up on cycle. Good luck on the next run!

heard that. my first cycle i did was at the start of a new semester, still ended well but it made it difficult to study. But hey we all learn our lesson either way, now i only cycle in the summer and on winter breaks.

 

[clk]

heard that. my first cycle i did was at the start of a new semester, still ended well but it made it difficult to study. But hey we all learn our lesson either way, now i only cycle in the summer and on winter breaks.

one word...PROVIGIL. its like viagra for the brain. kinda like the limitless pill. but obviously not as crazy..

 

[clk]

How are your workouts? Im in my last week of dmz now. Pumps are straight retarded. Shoulder days feels like the gyms a torture chamber haha. Delts are blowin up.

Sucks you had bad luck so far man. Hope they get back to you, maybe throw another bottle to you to try or somthin.

i run a modified 5x5 type program. push, squats, pull and deads then strongman. everything is revolved around the barbell. heavy compound movements with very little isolation movements. i do this heavy (80-85%) for about two rotations, then run it light and push the reps up to 8-10 at about 60-65% and do that for about two rotations as well. i was going heavy every time for a while. but my gains tapered off. so i threw in the hypertrophy training days to see what would happen. my body liked it. so thats where im at as of now.

 

[EatMoar]

one word...PROVIGIL. its like viagra for the brain. kinda like the limitless pill. but obviously not as crazy..

I like to use phenylP tbh, will try that stuff out though.

 

[EatMoar]

clk damn dude just read up on the drug and apparently there are countless of news articles and blog forums claiming this to be the "wonder" drug. May have to give it a try, already scoped out a source lol. Im curious.

 

[clk]

yea man its good ****. its a far cry from aderal. aderal (spelling?) is an amphetamine and makes you wired as hell. makes it really hard to sleep. provigil aka nuvigil, modifinil is not an amphetamine. it doesnt make you wired, hyper, jittery or anything like that. it just opens up your brain and gets you thinking really clearly. it also puts you in a SUPER good mood. i have taken it a few times. its amazing.. another great thing about it for people like us, is that it doesnt curve your appetite like aderal. i can take it and still eat 4000+ calories.

 

[EatMoar]

yea man its good ****. its a far cry from aderal. aderal (spelling?) is an amphetamine and makes you wired as hell. makes it really hard to sleep. provigil aka nuvigil, modifinil is not an amphetamine. it doesnt make you wired, hyper, jittery or anything like that. it just opens up your brain and gets you thinking really clearly. it also puts you in a SUPER good mood. i have taken it a few times. its amazing.. another great thing about it for people like us, is that it doesnt curve your appetite like aderal. i can take it and still eat 4000+ calories.

yeah adderal isnt the best thing to take, took it about 2 times this semester and I dont like the feeling. Did you buy yours online or local source?

 

[clk]

i told a buddy about it. he went to the doc and told him that he was working shifts and that he had shift work disorder. doc gave him a prescription.so i got some from him. i JUST got out of the military. so im working on my medical insurance crap now. once i do, ill go see the doc and get a prescription. ****s super expensive he said it was $200 even with insurance.

 

[clk]

i dont know if those online sources work. havent tried them. i knew of a few coworkers getting it off of the silk road before our BS feds took it down. if you get it online, lemme know if it works out.

 

[EatMoar]

i told a buddy about it. he went to the doc and told him that he was working shifts and that he had shift work disorder. doc gave him a prescription.so i got some from him. i JUST got out of the military. so im working on my medical insurance crap now. once i do, ill go see the doc and get a prescription. ****s super expensive he said it was $200 even with insurance.

****, i have insurance but 200$ with insurance..... id rather just stick to using phenylp. Have you hear of adrafinil? it is still legal and is te same thing as modafinil , but it metabolizes in the liver and can cause liver damage if taken for long periods of time at high doses aka like methyl steroids :\

 

[clk]

nope never heard of it. you should try provigil if you can. its great stuff. if you google nootropics (spelling?) theres other "smart drugs" that you can get that are not harsh. theres entire forums dedicated to them. they stack those things like guys stack gear lol

 

[EatMoar]

nope never heard of it. you should try provigil if you can. its great stuff. if you google nootropics (spelling?) theres other "smart drugs" that you can get that are not harsh. theres entire forums dedicated to them. they stack those things like guys stack gear lol

Yapp I do, I'm stocked up on focus xt , phenylpiracitum, noopept(which sucks BTW) I can't find a good dosing for it, for myself.

 

[warbird01]

one word...PROVIGIL. its like viagra for the brain. kinda like the limitless pill. but obviously not as crazy..

clk damn dude just read up on the drug and apparently there are countless of news articles and blog forums claiming this to be the "wonder" drug. May have to give it a try, already scoped out a source lol. Im curious.

There are some hyper responder to it (clk seems to be one, or more likely just placebo), but provigil will probably disappoint you. Go on reddit or loncecity and research it. There is a lot of hype but when people actually try it it's pretty meh. Yeah I stay awake, but there is absolutely no additional concentration effects.

Also most people don't get enhanced mood.

Sorry to be so negative, but I see this over and over on boards. Just don't want people getting their hopes too high for some miracle drug then having them crushed when they realize it only keeps you awake. Staying awake is great, but it is disappointing when you think it's gonna belike the limitless drug

 

[venicebeach]

That is a harsh thing for your body Mang sorry to hear about no gains so far. But I ran msten up to 30 mg and felt nothing either not a huge fan of msten... For others it seems to be awesome. Odd that the dmz and alpha ain't working.

 

[clk]

There are some hyper responder to it (clk seems to be one, or more likely just placebo), but provigil will probably disappoint you. Go on reddit or loncecity and research it. There is a lot of hype but when people actually try it it's pretty meh. Yeah I stay awake, but there is absolutely no additional concentration effects.

Also most people don't get enhanced mood.

Sorry to be so negative, but I see this over and over on boards. Just don't want people getting their hopes too high for some miracle drug then having them crushed when they realize it only keeps you awake. Staying awake is great, but it is disappointing when you think it's gonna belike the limitless drug

i have heard the same thing as well. my friend who got the prescription, had a totally different experience with it. when i took it, i was literally amazing. i was very clear minded and extremely happy. i liked it a lot.

 

[clk]

That is a harsh thing for your body Mang sorry to hear about no gains so far. But I ran msten up to 30 mg and felt nothing either not a huge fan of msten... For others it seems to be awesome. Odd that the dmz and alpha ain't working.

yea it sucks. but owell. it is what it is. i just know that i wont try it again. im not sure what my next cycle will be now. this is only my third one. i took a cycle of p plex stacked with m drol by CEL back in 07-08. that cycle was absolutely nuts. ill look around and see what other cycle i can come up with to help meet my goals.

 

[warbird01]

i have heard the same thing as well. my friend who got the prescription, had a totally different experience with it. when i took it, i was literally amazing. i was very clear minded and extremely happy. i liked it a lot.

Lucky motherfuker. I have read (someone probably just pulled this outta their ass) taht like 10% are hyper responders.

To the average person it's very "meh."

 

[clk]

really??! nothing cool like that ever happens to me lol. i definitely wouldnt use "meh" in my description of it. i loved it. would have no problem forking over the $200 for the prescription.