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bigscott

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Last May I took a cycle of 1AD/4AD and never noticed any hair loss, but a few months later my hairdresser pointed out that my hairline was receding slightly. I never took much notice at the time because it was hardly noticable, but towards the end of last year it receded to a point where its quite noticable.

I started using nizoral and topical spiro in january and used them both for about for about six weeks, and although they didn't completely stop the hairloss they did reduce it. I stopped using the spiro and reduced how often I used the nizoral but my hairloss has increased again, so I was planning to increase how often I use the nizoral to see if thats enough. I dared to use two mirrors the other day to check the back of my head and I was very unpleasantly suprised to notice a small balding spot as well. I don't think I'm genetically prone to male pattern baldness, and I know that I had a full hairline before I went on that cycle. Also, I've just went through a very stressful period so I guess that could have increased the hairloss, but that's over now and I still wake up with a reasonable amount of hair on my pillow.


Anyway my questions are:

I know that hair naturally falls out and then regrows, but is it normal to find quite a few hairs on your pillow in the morning? Also when I put my hands through my hair (reasonably rough) quite a few hairs fall out. I'm not sure if this normally happens as I never checked when I wasn't concerned about going bald.

Is there a chance the PH's kickstarted this hairloss and is it likely to continue until I'm completely bald? I'm not genetically prone to MPB and I'm only 23. I'm hoping it dos'nt continue at this rate cause I'll be very bald, very quickly if it does. I'm hoping that most of the damage is done already and using nizoral EOD is enough, and I assume I'll probably have to use this forever to help keep my hair. I don't want to start using minoxidil because of having to use it everyday for life once you start, but are there any other long-term options?

Last question, if I use spiro lotion at night some of its bound to rub off onto the pillow. Would this have any adverse affect on my wife or kid if they come into contact with it?


Any help with any of the questions is much appreciated.
 

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I feel for you buddy.

But, I think your questions would be fielded better at...

www.regrowth.com
Good luck.
 

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Do a search on "hair" for the title.

Briefly. Phs can and will kickstart hairloss. Most probably not until you get totally bald since it depends on your genetic propensity.

1-test compounds are quite effective for losing scalp hair so it should be no surprise.

Keep spironolactone away from other people. Spiro contamination on pregnant women can cause genital deformities on the unborned and I'm sure its not ok for kids either.
 
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Does anyone in your family have MPB? If so, and they are a blood relation, you can get it. I started losing it at about 21 or 22. I waited over a year, almost 2, to do something about it. Nonetheless, I did take action. I am now 26, and though my hairline has receded a bit and I have a bit of a bald spot at the vertex, nobody thinks of me as even remotely bald. I told my fiancee I am using hairloss products and she asked why. She never even noticed that I have some hairloss. Start using minox w/ nizoral and either azelaic acid or spiro. AA doesn't have the foul odor of spiro. Use them religiously and you might be able to stop or even reverse the thinning. I've been using the AA with nizoral and minox for a few months now, and I think I already have some regrowth. (Before I just used minox).
 

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There's definitely no MPB on my mum's side, but I can't be sure about my dad's side, although I don't think so. I'm a bit concerned about taking spiro and the possibility of it contaminating my wife or kid, especially after reading the post by MarcusG. I would use minoxidil, but because you need to use it daily for as long as you want to keep your hair, I'm not sure if I would want to start.

Does anyone know if there is any concerns to do with contamination to others by using azeliac acid. If there is no problem with AA, I might try a combo of that and the nizoral, and see if that's enough to keep my hairline.
 
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The mom's side thing is a myth, so if there is MPB anywhere in your bloodline--grandfathers, uncles, etc--you can get it.

I think with all of these products you need to use them consistently or you're in trouble. AA and nizoral both block dht receptors. Once the receptors are not blocked the damage will ensue.
 

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I guess there is a chance that MPB runs in the family as I've never met my dad's dad or brother. I'm pretty sure I could stick to the nizoral EOD and the AA most of the time, but I'm not too keen on having to take minoxidil without ever missing a day. Then again if my hairline decreases much more I may re-evaluate that opinion.

I was hoping that the hairloss was caused by the cycle and the worse of the damage is done already, but there dos'nt seem to be any sign of it slowing down. Although I'm blaming the PH's for causing this, I read on this site earlier today that someone said accutane caused there hair to recede. I finished a four month cycle of accutane early last year so I guess this could maybe be the cause and not the PH's.

I bought lots of PH's before the ban to cover me for a few years but with the hairloss it's putting me off the idea of using them. Would I be advised to take them anyway while on a good hair protection cycle or do you think this might just speed up the hairloss even more.
 

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Theres no reason to stop using spiro. Just be careful and use it during the day if you are worried about smearing it at night. AA/retin have no problem about touch contact.

Theres no escaping hair loss if you are genetically prone. Stop using 1-test compounds for a start. Prevention might help _reduce_ shedding in your case.
 
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I have only done one cycle, and it was nordiol/4ad, which is pretty safe, but I have read from others here that they were able to protect their hair while on cycle. I plan to do more androgenic cycles in the future, and I'll be prepared.

As I understand it, a cycle won't cause hairloss unless you have the MPB gene. I could be wrong, as their are many myths surrounding hairloss. I have 7 uncles, and only one is bald. I was lucky enough to get that gene. So if it is anywhere in the fam you should err on the side of caution and start now.

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"As I understand it, a cycle won't cause hairloss unless you have the MPB gene"

Probably not accurate. I'm not prone looking by my extended family but I still shed.
 

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Don't mean to threadjack but...what if one side of my family the men are all cueballs and the other keep their hair forever? My hair is starting to go, I was kinda hoping it would stop at some point. (not sure if it stops or just keeps going)

Awww screw it. I'll just shave my head.
 
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I've had luck with spiro, niz, minox and AA stopping the receding hair line. everyone tells me I'm going bald but my older brother and younger brothers are already bald. I still have thick hair on top.
 
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I've had luck with spiro, niz, minox and AA stopping the receding hair line. everyone tells me I'm going bald but my older brother and younger brothers are already bald. I still have thick hair on top.
There are few acts of stupidity that piss me off so much as the ignorance of people who can't restrain from stating the obvious. Are people so fucking braindead that they think a guy who is balding doesn't realize that it is happening? It has never been said to me b/c I have been lucky enough to put the brakes on hairloss, at least for now. But next time I hear some dumb **** or dumb bitch tell one of my friends "You're going bald", I will have to interject with "Wow, you're getting fat...", "...ugly..." "...wrinkles on your face...", "You have small tits...", or some other appropriate formulation.:frustrate

BTW, bump for minox/niz/AA/spiro. Been doing it for a few months and I think I am regrowing quite a bit. Only downfall is my scalp gets dry and sensitive.
 
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Right, Beo thats so true. its like people that say things about others apperance usually are not anywhere near perfect themselves and stating a obvious imperfection about them would be too easy.
As far as the hairloss concerns the cocktail of spiro, minoxdil/Aa, nizoral definatley helps. Custum nutrition has great prices on those product they are quality generics. Regrowth has more expensive "formulations' that i have had great sucess with. Mixing and matching the two sources is the most econimical way to go. I was similar to you a little bad at the temples and after about 8 months people think ive got a hair transplant. Its all about early prevention and hair style with me. Also Vive shampoo and nioxin are good when not using the Nizoral.
 
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Right, Beo thats so true. its like people that say things about others apperance usually are not anywhere near perfect themselves and stating a obvious imperfection about them would be too easy.
Not to mention the fact that people routinely make these statements in social settings, in front of multiple people. I see my friends get all jammed up and I feel really bad for them. It is a sensitive topic for a lot of guys. If you said, "Damn, you've really had a hard time losing weight after that last baby", people would think you're an asshole. How is this comment any different from a bald comment?
 

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Don't mean to threadjack but...what if one side of my family the men are all cueballs and the other keep their hair forever? My hair is starting to go, I was kinda hoping it would stop at some point. (not sure if it stops or just keeps going)

Awww screw it. I'll just shave my head.
every man on both sides of my family are bald. wish i could say that i had hair in my 20's, but i had a real high forehead since 11th grade. i've had a shaved head since i was 22, i'm 31 now. my wife saw a picture of me from high school and didn't even recognize me...
 
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a word to the wise....

just 2 quick tings.... one, if you are taking nizoral, please remember that it is a prescription drug, ketonzale(spelling?) and it coould have drug interactions. So if you ever do take any other medications let your dr know ESPECIALLY with viagra and those type products, secondly, I got some AA from Custom for a ridiculous low price. Check them out. Good luck. Also, you can try the over the counter stuff like nioxin products and others. dont know if they really work but it leaves your hair nice!
 

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I don't think nizoral is a prescription drug over here in the UK. Do you know of specific implications of taking viagra while using nizoral. I've never used it before but there's always a chance I might experiment, and don't want to cause myself any harm. It's not something I'd like to ask the doctor about since i'm pretty sure viagra needs a prescription.

I looked at Custom's site and noticed they don't deliver to the UK. Anyone know of anywhere else I can get azeliac acid from?
 
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niz and v

In the us its a prescription drug. I remeber reading a package inserrt for the viagra and it said it mentioned possible drug interactions but I dont remeber what they were. As far as im concerned thats enough for me not to mix. I will look for a PI and see if I can find out.
 

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