A few questions regarding Halo Extreme & Super DMZ 3.0

[NoPainNoGain]

Hello folks

Been lurking on the boards here for some time, but have decided to ask for some advice and assistance regarding the above mentioned products prior to commencing (possibly) a cycle with them. Fwiw, I did ask these questions on the official forums for IronMagLabs but nobody seems to use the boards so I got no help or responses to any of my questions.

I've been training for almost 14 years now and am currently sitting at 198lb, 5'10" and app. 10% body fat.

I've only ever used pro-hormones once before, and that was Finaflex Nutrition's 1-Alpha which was amazing to say the least.
In an 8 week cycle I put on just shy of 20lb, maintaining the same body fat and keeping all of my gains even up until now.
Diet, rest and training were all 100% on point, as they always are.

The main allure for 1-Alpha was the low side effects; particularly regarding hair loss.
I haven't had any issues with hair loss yet (almost 30 years of age now), however it is something that does concern me.
I've done as much research as possible regarding Halo and SDMZ 3.0 and side effects, but there isn't too much floating around the net regarding hair loss, so either it is an uncommon side effect, or people that experience it simply don't care.

Apparently a test base is also required, so I have been considering IronMagLabs 4-Andro rx.
I'm wondering whether this would be adequate to run along side the super dmz or not.
It may also be worth noting that I have a box of Testogel 50mg (30 packets) which was prescribed to me by my endo over 3 years ago which I never ended up using as I wasn't comfortable with TRT at that time. Would this perhaps serve as a better test base, or is 50mg not enough?

I'm also curious what the best plan for PCT would be (yes I know there is a HEAP of information about this topic already), as I'm not going to be able to go with all the recommended IronMagLabs products mentioned in many of the threads. These products aren't readily available in my country and cost 3 times more than the RRP. I do have HCG and clomid on hand from my doctor, however I'm not particularly fond of tamoxifen given the numerous medical reports and journals discussing the occurrence of liver cancer that has arisen in people that otherwise had completely healthy livers, who used the drug only for short periods of time for the treatment of breast cancer. I also have Finaflex PCT Revolution Black on hand and DAA, but again, emerging reports of neurotoxicity associated with DAA as an excitotoxin and the potential to cause permanent neuron death have erred me away from this product, which I used quite a lot in the past.

The Super Dmz 3.0 cycle I am considering is as follows -

Week 1 to 4 -
DMZ@ 2 caps daily
HCG @ 250iu 2x per week
(possibly) 4-andro @ 2 caps daily
(possibly) Testogel @ 1 packet daily

If required -
Arimidex @ .25mg e3d

Week 5 to 8
PCT revolution black @ 2 caps daily (arimistane)
Ultra Male RX
Clomid @ 50mg daily
(possibly) DAA @ 3gm daily

The Halo Extreme cycle I am considering is as follows -

Week 1 to 4 -
Halo Extreme @ 3 caps daily (75mg)
HCG @ 250iu 2x per week
(possibly) 4-andro @ 2 caps daily
(possibly) Testogel @ 1 packet daily

If required -
Arimidex @ .25mg e3d

Week 5 to 8
PCT revolution black @ 2 caps daily (arimistane)
Ultra Male RX
Clomid @ 50mg daily
(possibly) DAA @ 3gm daily

OR

The other option is to run Finaflex 1-Alpha again @ 3 to 4 caps a day for 6 to 8 weeks.

I would REALLY appreciate some feedback and advice from the knowledgeable folks here on the boards, as I refuse to go ahead with this until I am 100% certain that I am making the right choices.

Thank you all for your time and assistance

 

[Smont]

Dont use dmz3.0, its 3 compounds and extreamly harsh, halo or plain dmz is a good choice. A couple other things, 1. Halo needs to be ran 5-6 weeks, 2. You dont need hcg on a 4-6week cycle. 3. Dermacrine or trest for a test base but 4ad or stano would work too, trest if your going for the most size .Pct clomid 50/50/25/25, a test booster and some ai to avoid estrogen rebound(depending on the compound u use).

 

[Smont]

Cant comment on test gel

 

[Lynn214]

I'm a female weighing 135lbs and found that Halo Extreme at 75mg/day was quite nice. So you could always start at 75mg, but I imagine that you'll end up wanting to do a bigger dose. It was recommended for females to do 25mg/day, but I honestly didn't get much from it until I bumped it up to 50mg and finally 75mg.

 

[Smont]

You just blew my mind!!! I had great results at 75 for 6 weeks and im 5'9 190 at the beginig of that cycle. Gained 13 pounds and kept 9. Pr on bench and deads for my 3 rep max. I have no clue how gains and sides change from men to women but i would love to know more.

 

[Lynn214]

Haha you're welcome! I had planned on running 25mg/day for 6 weeks, so I only bought one bottle. However, I ended up running 25mg/day for two weeks, 50mg/day for about two weeks, and 75mg/day for a little over a week.

I'm 5'5 and weighed 130lbs when I started. I got up to 135 by the end of it, so about a pound/week. That doesn't sound like a lot of weight, but while bulking I've only gained 15lbs in the past 5 months before Halo Extreme.

Even at 75mg/day I didn't experience any negative sides. When I bumped it up to 50mg I noticed an increased appetite and at 75mg my sex drive increased so much it was driving me crazy. No acne, voice deepening, hair loss, unwanted hair gain - nothing.

As far as muscular progress, I experience increased vascularity and muscle hardness. I personally didn't notice any visual size gains, but I took measurements this morning and my thighs, glutes, and shoulders all increased by close to an inch, my calves by half an inch, and my waist stayed the same.

Strength is where I felt the most progress. I'm not very strong, so my numbers may seem low, but it was still progress to me =)
Bench went from 100x3 to 105x4
Deadlift went from 175 to 195 for three doubles and 205 for a single
Squat went from 145x4 to 155x8
Overhead Press went from 55x3 to 60x7

Let me know if you have any other questions!

 

[Abe Lincoln]

Lynn22, do you compete?

 

[Lynn214]

I competed once this past spring, but I know that I have some building to do before dieting down to compete again.

 

[Abe Lincoln]

Oh nice.. Didn't place?

 

[Lynn214]

I did, but I'd like to move from bikini to figure.

 

[NoPainNoGain]

I've actually decided to go with 1-Androsterone again (Finaflex 1-Alpha), but Halo sounds like quite compound.

Surprised that you mentioned an increase in libido, though. The information I've read seems to suggest Halo as suppressive (in males, anyway) when used without a test base.

 

[Smont]

That aspect is very different from men to women. All prohormones and steroids are suppressive, but that has nothing to do with sex drive, look at trest, its one of the most suppressive ones out, but the side effects for most is a raging sex drive.

 

[Smont]

Everyone reacts to everything different

 

[Abe Lincoln]

^exactly. My sex drive was over the roof with dmz.