2nd Cycle- DMZ +Tr3st-Winter Bulk

[jewgold]

Getting read for a winter bulk as soon as I finish up my cut...probably end of November early December or so.

This will be my second cycle which I finished with PCT back in August. Ran Epistane solo.
While I had some great gains I ended up losing some of them cause I got sick and the lethargy kick my azz on some days.
So I wanted to make sure to run something that will combat that.

So I plan on a 4 week run
DMZ-20/40/40/40
Tr3st-50/75/75/75

LGI-Damage Control- 4 pills daily for the 4 weeks
Staples
MV
Taurine
Fish oil
Creatine


PCT
Super PCT
4 caps daily /4 weeks
3g DAA
Nolva

Any thoughts? Suggestions?

 

[abformulations]

Only thing is extend it to 6 weeks.

 

[Sexykunt]

Yea extend to 6+ weeks and maybe start at 40 dmz. I'm on week 2 of 40mg and have zero sides, but unfortunately not many benefits. Also need an AI for trest unless you want to look like a victoria secret model. I'd recommend Formeron by BLR. I've been using it with my tr3st and so far no gyno or high estro symptoms. Tranform by OL should work too if you want to keep ordering from them cause they're a pretty solid brand

 

[jewgold]

I have eliminate on hand by ol , would that suffice.

 

[Sexykunt]

I have eliminate on hand by ol , would that suffice.

No. But it would be great to stack WITH their Transform or Formeron

 

[M.I.D]

amazes me that people do not know what is needed for the cycle of their choice!

Run Transform at 50mg/day

 

[Loneyboy]

Only thing is extend it to 6 weeks.

This. Run DMZ at 30/30/40/40/60/60 and trest at 75 all the way through, one after morning dose of DMZ and 2 pre workout

 

[Loneyboy]

Also, get an AI, formeron or Transform, get some prolactin control, Inhibit P etc., get your supports, get your pct, and GET YOUR SERM! Have fun bro!

 

[jaycuda]

Already been said, but you'll see a majority of your results in week 5 & 6 if you chose to extend it to 6 weeks.

 

[blkdmax]

I am in week 5 of dmz @ 40mg and trest @ 100mg and feel really lethargic, just fyi

 

[Abe Lincoln]

I am in week 5 of dmz @ 40mg and trest @ 100mg and feel really lethargic, just fyi

Are you using form?

 

[blkdmax]

Yes a full pump in the am and a full pump in the pm, really hard to try and measure a half a pump so i spoke with a few guys on other forums and went to a full pump.

 

[M.I.D]

You are doing 200mg a day of transform for 100mg of trest??? That's way too much. Surprised your joints aren't killing

 

[blkdmax]

125mg of trest a day and have you tried using the OL transform ??? Pretty inconsistent as far as accurately being able to measure a half a pump, several guys on other forums have used it at a full pump without any issues either.

 

[M.I.D]

Yes I am on 125mg of trest atm and only using 50mg of transform. It's just a guess at half pump, it really doesn't matter if some days you go over half a pump... 200 is too much

 

[blkdmax]

ok buddy thanks for the info...

 

[M.I.D]

Aren't you having any issues with joints?

 

[blkdmax]

No sir

 

[M.I.D]

Libido?

 

[blkdmax]

No problems there either, everything is going nice and smooth.

 

[M.I.D]

That's good to hear

 

[Loneyboy]

Yes I am on 125mg of trest atm and only using 50mg of transform. It's just a guess at half pump, it really doesn't matter if some days you go over half a pump... 200 is too much

How are your nips? I'm at 2 pumps a day as well and they're flaring real hard.

 

[blkdmax]

I have noticed a little sensitivity and my nipple's seem a little larger sometimes when i am in the gym, but it always seems to me the only time i notice them is if i bump them with weights or drag something across them, other than that really no issues. I did try going back down to a 1/2 pump lastnight and this morning.

 

[M.I.D]

sounds crazy that 200mg isn't doing the job for you. But if you are flaring up etc then i would say up it if your joints are not painful nd libido ok etc

 

[Loneyboy]

sounds crazy that 200mg isn't doing the job for you. But if you are flaring up etc then i would say up it if your joints are not painful nd libido ok etc

My joints are fine, nips both have small lumps, but my libido is completely shot haha. None at all.

 

[M.I.D]

Someone else might be able to say something on this, you had previous gyno?

 

[Gbaumer]

It could be prolactin based. My nips flared up using trest with a pump and a half of transform a day. Prolactin gyno feels different than estrogen related gyno. Your nips won't hurt, but will definitely feel weird/strange. Try some caber it really helped me. Trest is still a 19-nor and its a little more complicated than regular test...

 

[M.I.D]

Ye totally forgot I'm running prolactrone aswell lol

 

[blkdmax]

Ok i have another question now, i pierced my nipples several yrs back (8 or so) and since removing them they have always been larger than they were and i hate it. I have never had leaking nipples or discharge from them on there on, but in the past if they are irritated from anything i have noticed i will get little puss pockets on each side where the piercing was and if i squeezed them i would get a very small amount of discharge. Keep in mind i was not on ANYTHING at this time and not even working out. Now for the question even at the 1 pump 2x a day sometimes my nipples look a little puffy but not sore or any discharge, no lumps or anything really of that nature to speak of, this is not always just sometimes i notice it when shirtless. This has just been here recently i started noticing, think its the beginning stages of either type of gyno or is it just me being over cautious ? I have never had gyno so it makes it a little more harder to see the symptoms coming on and me trying to catch it.

 

[Loneyboy]

Someone else might be able to say something on this, you had previous gyno?

never had gyno, nips have always been a little puffy but no lumps.

It could be prolactin based. My nips flared up using trest with a pump and a half of transform a day. Prolactin gyno feels different than estrogen related gyno. Your nips won't hurt, but will definitely feel weird/strange. Try some caber it really helped me. Trest is still a 19-nor and its a little more complicated than regular test...

yeah I think it must be the prolactin. i wasn't running anything specifically for it. asked if I needed it and no one seemed to think it was necessary. guess its always better to have and not need than to need and not have.

day 1 pct starts today anyways, weeks 0-4 Torem, 2-6 transform, 0-6 sup3r pct, and 0-6 daa.

next time i decide to run ill have to pick up some prolactin control.

 

[edje007]

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[jewgold]

So i picked up transform and will grab some Reduct xt for Pct.....

Any other thoughts?

 

[Abe Lincoln]

Sounds good^^

 

[jewgold]

Need some input......

I'm currently on week 4 of this stack and just recently bumped up the trest to 100mg cause of the lethargy.
But so far this stack has me tired most of the time. I have trouble getting good workouts in. And preworkouts haven't really helped...

Should I stop and do pct or just suck it up for 2 weeks.

 

[Loneyboy]

Need some input......

I'm currently on week 4 of this stack and just recently bumped up the trest to 100mg cause of the lethargy.
But so far this stack has me tired most of the time. I have trouble getting good workouts in. And preworkouts haven't really helped...

Should I stop and do pct or just suck it up for 2 weeks.

You running oral or transdermal trest?

 

[jewgold]

You running oral or transdermal trest?

Oral

 

[Joker666]

Need some input......

I'm currently on week 4 of this stack and just recently bumped up the trest to 100mg cause of the lethargy.
But so far this stack has me tired most of the time. I have trouble getting good workouts in. And preworkouts haven't really helped...

Should I stop and do pct or just suck it up for 2 weeks.

Add in some dhea Or daa 5 days on 2 days off it works for me.

 

[Loneyboy]

Oral

Oral has a short half life, how are you splitting your doses? I found even at 75mg the lethargy was there. Went transdermal this time just because of the longer half life

 

[jewgold]

Oral has a short half life, how are you splitting your doses? I found even at 75mg the lethargy was there. Went transdermal this time just because of the longer half life

I've been spacing it because of that but still doesn't make much of a difference.
I do 25mg in the morning, another 25mg few hours later, then 50mg preworkout.

 

[Loneyboy]

I've been spacing it because of that but still doesn't make much of a difference.
I do 25mg in the morning, another 25mg few hours later, then 50mg preworkout.

Hmm. What time do you workout?

 

[jewgold]

Hmm. What time do you workout?

Around 2 or 3 on weekdays, in the morning on weekends.

 

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