My next cycle for MAX GAINS, need help

[gianlol]

I'm trying to build a new cycle. My goal is gain 5-10lbs of clean muscle.
Now I'm at 177lbs / 5,68ft (around 12-13% BF)


Other issue I want to avoid is lethargy: I dont want feel like dead the most part of the day, so is there a PH or supplement to REAL contrastate this effect? Maybe add stano to the cycle can help?

Btw, i was thinking a base of DMZ (40/40/40/40/40/40), and then stack it with other PH, but I'm not sure wich best.

Every advice will be appreciated!!

 

[g0hardorgohom]

Maybe DermaTREST with THE 1.

Both are great for libido and combatting lethargy.

DermaTREST is wet-ish and THE 1 is as dry as it gets. Perfect stack.

 

[R1balla]

Brawn at 45mg + Dermacrine and you will be set.

I havent tried DermaTREST so i cant comment on it (or THE 1)

 

[McCrew530]

The best "test bases" out there are Stano Trest and dermacrine which is a topical form of DHEA that is very effective.
And if you are looking for an effective stack check out Ironflex's Sten-Zine its Msten and DMZ stacked it should help you put on some mass for sure!

 

[gianlol]

I just realized that I can't find to buy Dymethazine & THE1 in Europe :/

In that case I need to reformulate my cycle with others ph that i can find here.

so i can choose among epi, tren, trest, SD, halodrol, furaza, M-sten and some others..

What do u think to use SD instead of DMZ and stack it with EPI or Furaza?

 

[g0hardorgohom]

I just realized that I can't find to buy Dymethazine & THE1 in Europe :/

In that case I need to reformulate my cycle with others ph that i can find here.

so i can choose among epi, tren, trest, SD, halodrol, furaza, M-sten and some others..

What do u think to use SD instead of DMZ and stack it with EPI or Furaza?

SD stacked with Epi or Furaza will lead to some serious lethargy.

Maybe SD and DermaTREST?

You can buy THE 1 from JW Supplements.

 

[gianlol]

I did a search on JWS but no THE1 on their website!

SD+dermaTREST maybe a good choice,
but I already have Transform and maybe Dermacrine as test-base, so I don't know if I can use three transdermals with success.

Tren Oral, is less effective?
With proper diet and PCT, can this stack lead me to gain 5/10 lbs clean?

 

[McCrew530]

Transform isn't a test base that's your AI on cycle. Dermacrine would be the test base but you could use them together effectively. Those two stacked with SD would work really well. There are plenty of people here in the US that whish they could still get SD. You don't by chance still have access to Pheraplex do you?

 

[gianlol]

Yeah I mean Dermacrine as test base.

Unfortunely I have no access to pheraplex, but I saw this product:

Halo-Plex Xtreme
4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol 50mg *


what's that?

 

[McCrew530]

Its halodrol. Just at a higher mg per cap than normal. Nothing special.

 

[testosteron]

you can get the1 on ebay

 

[gianlol]

ok i decided to buy from nutriverse, so I can have DMZ.


what do you think of my cycle (just compounds, dosing later)

CYCLE CUTTING/BULKING

- DYMETHAZI9E
- TR3N (better DermaTREN?)
- Dermacrine or Stano or 11-KT(test base, which best?)
- Milk Thistle (liver assist)
- Cycle Assisy (on cycle support)
- TransFORM (AI)

PCT
- Super PCT
- Nolva
- EP1C
- DermaSTRENGHT

 

[g0hardorgohom]

ok i decided to buy from nutriverse, so I can have DMZ.


what do you think of my cycle (just compounds, dosing later)

CYCLE CUTTING/BULKING

- DYMETHAZI9E
- TR3N (better DermaTREN?)
- Dermacrine or Stano or 11-KT(test base, which best?)
- Milk Thistle (liver assist)
- Cycle Assisy (on cycle support)
- TransFORM (AI)

PCT
- Super PCT
- Nolva
- EP1C
- DermaSTRENGHT

I'd prefer DermaTREN over oral version. I'd use low dose of DermaTREST over Stano or Dermacrine as "test base". No need to add milk thistle on top of cycle assist. You could use AR1MACARE PRO too - it has TUDCA in it.

And you can still get THE 1 from JW Supplements.

 

[gianlol]

Thanks g0hard, my only doubt remain about use all that transdermals, not sure i will find free spots on my body: transform, dermatren, dermatrest
oral version is good if Im out of home and can't use transdermals.

Btw, if I use all three in the same time on my skin, will they contrast each other? I will absorb them all?

 

[g0hardorgohom]

Yeah then I'd probably go with TD trest and oral TR3N.

 

[gianlol]

I ordered tr3n and dymethazi9e

Whats the best cycle dosage? 4 or 6 weeks?

 

[gianlol]

I was thinking something like that for now:

Dymethazi9e: 40/40/40/40/40/60
Tr3n: 30/60/60/60/90/90
XI-KT: 2ml/day
TransFORM: 1pump/day


please help me so I can start !

 

[g0hardorgohom]

I was thinking something like that for now:

Dymethazi9e: 40/40/40/40/40/60
Tr3n: 30/60/60/60/90/90
XI-KT: 2ml/day
TransFORM: 1pump/day


please help me so I can start !

DYMETHAZI9E 40/40/40/40/40/60
TR3N 60/60/60/60/60/90 (or you could buy two bottles and run it higher for 8 weeks)
XI-KT like the label says
TransFORM half pump/day, up it if needed

 

[gianlol]

Oh i forgot, I also have THE1 at my disposal...Can I add it to the cycle or better not?

 

[g0hardorgohom]

Oh i forgot, I also have THE1 at my disposal...Can I add it to the cycle or better not?

Save it for your next cycle. You could stack it with DermaTREST then

 

[gianlol]

Save it for your next cycle. You could stack it with DermaTREST then

oh sure I will try it, thanks

you told I can run tr3n higher, yeah i can buy 2nd bottle, you think i can run it at 90 / 8weeks without too much sides?

 

[TKC432]

Your PCT looks ok. I would suggest looking into a pct supp that doesn't base its T level increases on Tribulus. Tribulus does not raise T levels .... it will increase libido somewhat but that's about it. Gonna be starting my next cycle in a few weeks and my PCT is going to look something like this

Nolva
REVOLUTION PCT
MASS 550
PURE TEST
Reduce XT

 

[g0hardorgohom]

oh sure I will try it, thanks

you told I can run tr3n higher, yeah i can buy 2nd bottle, you think i can run it at 90 / 8weeks without too much sides?

Definitely. I'd probably run it at 60/90/90/90/90/120/120/120

 

[gianlol]

Your PCT looks ok. I would suggest looking into a pct supp that doesn't base its T level increases on Tribulus. Tribulus does not raise T levels .... it will increase libido somewhat but that's about it. Gonna be starting my next cycle in a few weeks and my PCT is going to look something like this

Nolva
REVOLUTION PCT
MASS 550
PURE TEST
Reduce XT

oh REVOLUTION PCT is very interesting, anyway I also have these supp that maybe useful for my PCT

- REHAB (by LGI) (without tribulus)
- 11-OXO
- TAURINE
- DAA

was thinking to add MASS 550, but I hope I will not lower estrogen too much and falling into a libido issue..

 

[gianlol]

order complete on nutriverse (dmz+tr3n)...can't wait to receive it and start the cycle!

Now I have to plan the PCT with nolva/clomid.

nolva 20/20/10/10
clomid 50/50/25/25

is that good?


can ostar1ne help? I read that it can lower natural testosterone in PCT, maybe I can run at low dosage?

 

[McCrew530]

The majority of people who do run Osta in pct run it at around 10mg ED there is still a debate going on if it messes with your PCT but there is no debate on if it helps you keep your gains on cycle

 

[gianlol]

The majority of people who do run Osta in pct run it at around 10mg ED there is still a debate going on if it messes with your PCT but there is no debate on if it helps you keep your gains on cycle

Ok, i think I will skip ostarine in this cycle, hoping there will be more tests later..

the clomid/nolva dosage i posted is good?

better run just only one of them?

 

[McCrew530]

I only run one serm during pct but know of people that do the nolva clomid stack. Dosing is fine if you really want to just start your PCT you could run 100mg of Clomid but thats up to you for a short 6 week cycle it probably isnt necessary.

 

[g0hardorgohom]

I'd probably go with just Clomid at 50/50/25/25. Throw in SUP3R PCT at 4/4/3/3/2/1 and you're good to go.

Many guys love OSTAR1NE at 10mg/day during PCT.

 

[gianlol]

Finally I have all supps in my hands!

thanks all for the help and tips!

I will start very soon, just last 2 questions:

-11-OXO must be used in pct, right? I have one bottle so I can run it for 4weeks at 225/225/150/150 --> should I increase it?

I will run TR3N for 8 weeks 60/90/90/90/90/120/120/120 and DMZ for 6 weeks 40/40/40/40/40/60 should I run the test base for 8 weeks or 4weeks is enough?

this is my cycle support and PCT, if something is wrong or you have useful tips please tell me:

SUPPORT
AR1MACARE: 4cps / 8 weeks (but i will need one more bottle!)
Taurine: 5g / day / 8 weeks
Creatine: 5g / day / 8 weeks
Fish Oil: 3 cps 3times/day / 8 weeks
TransFORM: 1pump day
DAA: only for pct?

PCT
SUP3R PCT: 4/4/3/3/2/1
CLOMID: 50/50/25/25
11-OXO: 3/3/2/2
DAA: 6/6/6/3/3/3
TransFORM ?