Week 4 of PCT and No libido

[JoeBrooklyn]

Ok, I'm not sure if it's time to panic yet. I have set an appointment for blood tests this week; but here is the issue:

I was on a 625mg of Test E for 13 weeks. Anavar 50mg-70mg for 12 weeks, as well as T-3 and Clen. I cycled the clen ever 4 weeks. And ofcourse I was on .5 Adex every three days.

Now the last two weeks I screwed up the dosage and I took 1250mg of Test E.

I waited two weeks and started 50mg of Clomid and 20mg of Novla.

I am now in week 4 and my libido is totally shot. I may get horny every week or so. Normally when I am on PCT my libido is lower than when Im on cycle but still ok, its usually the 2 weeks following my PCT where it tanks and then comes back again.

I stopped taking Novla about 2 weeks ago because I didnt feel as if my estrogen was high and though maybe the Novla was bringing my estrogen too low and thats why my libido was low. But I have been off it now for 2 weeks and still nothing. Any advice?

 

[harbonah]

Tamoxifine will not lower estrogen it will actually increase it as it fails to bind to the estrogen receptor but that is not the point here. Get blood work as you have planned I myself would continue both the Clomid and nolva until bloods come back and tell you where you are at. Also I would get LH, estrogen and test checked.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Ok.

 

[Guido14]

I had the same problem with my last cycle. I noticed how much of a diffence HCG made in my pct. I just started another cycle and cannot get any this time so hopefully i don't experience same thing.

I would of started PCT sooner like around 1 week. Continue using nolva and clomid, try getting a test boost also.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

I had the same problem with my last cycle. I noticed how much of a diffence HCG made in my pct. I just started another cycle and cannot get any this time so hopefully i don't experience same thing.

I would of started PCT sooner like around 1 week. Continue using nolva and clomid, try getting a test boost also.

I for got to mention I used 250IUs of HCG every week during the cycle. Yes, I am using a test booster now.

 

[Goliath1]

Privatemdlabs bro..

That's your best bet..

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Privatemdlabs bro..

That's your best bet..

Yes, I got my referral today and I am going in for the bloods on Saturday morning.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Yes, I got my referral today and I am going in for the bloods on Saturday morning.

hope everything works out, these things can take time especially as you get older and the more times you've run a cycle.

look into products containing divinil and alc. these are a great thing to use along side a clomid restart program.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

hope everything works out, these things can take time especially as you get older and the more times you've run a cycle.

look into products containing divinil and alc. these are a great thing to use along side a clomid restart program.

Ok, thank you!

 

[johnnybeegood]

are you taking sufficient time off between cycles?

 

[TaylorSwift]

Now the last two weeks I screwed up the dosage and I took 1250mg of Test E. I waited two weeks and started 50mg of Clomid and 20mg of Novla.

Lol, the test probably just cleared your system man. Literally start your pct over again. The half-life of test-e is ~10.5 days Use a pct calculator instead of guessing when to start: http://pct.befit4free.net

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Lol, the test probably just cleared your system man. Literally start your pct over again. The half-life of test-e is ~10.5 days Use a pct calculator instead of guessing when to start: http://pct.befit4free.net

Dude!! This calculator is great!! According to this I should have started 3 and 1/2 weeks after my last pin instead of 2 weeks. I havent tapered my Clomid dosage so should I just continue PCT for another week and a half?
Also, what did you mean by the Test E clearing out my system?

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

are you taking sufficient time off between cycles?

I only took 7 weeks in between the last cycle.

 

[Goliath1]

I only took 7 weeks in between the last cycle.

Wasn't the best decision, but you know that..

What's up with the Avi to? You an the horse sharing gear bro?! Lol

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Wasn't the best decision, but you know that..

What's up with the Avi to? You an the horse sharing gear bro?! Lol

Yes I know but I HATE being off. The only thing I hate more than being off is running. To me, PCT should count as time off, so if you count PCT I was off 13 weeks.
My Avitar is Reagan riding a horse. He is one of my childhood heroes. I was 10 when he was elected President and 18 when he left. I was also 18 when I joined the Army, so technically I joined under him in November 1988; but the rest of my time in the Army (1988-1992) was under Bush Sr.

 

[Goliath1]

Yes I know but I HATE being off. The only thing I hate more than being off is running. To me, PCT should count as time off, so if you count PCT I was off 13 weeks. My Avitar is Reagan riding a horse. He is one of my childhood heroes. I was 10 when he was elected President and 18 when he left. I was also 18 when I joined the Army, so technically I joined under him in November 1988; but the rest of my time in the Army (1988-1992) was under Bush Sr.

Gotcha, now I like your Avi lol

Yea, cycling is addictive bro, I'll agree to that..
And I hate running more than you I'm sure haha

I'd like to think pct is time off, but in reality it's not.. Your still playing with your hormones and things are no where near balanced out...

I lost my libido after my last cycle, then caught rebound an used letro which made it worse.. That's kind of why I started my cycle tbh, I just used the Test to get things running again, maybe not the wisest, but I'd do it again if I was put in the situation again.. Cialis has became a good friend of mine in hard times..

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Ok, I got my blood work done today. Now I have to wait for the results. I am now in week 5 of PCT.

 

[BrianP0523]

i count pct as time off sometimes, i admit it. why don't you just blast and cruise if you're already pinning tho?

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

i count pct as time off sometimes, i admit it. why don't you just blast and cruise if you're already pinning tho?

What is "blast and cruise"?

 

[BrianP0523]

you pin a trt-style dose of test while cruising, and then you do a blast where you'll up the dose of test and/or add in more compounds. so you're on year-round, you just drop down to the trt dose of test to give your body a bit of a rest without actually coming off. trt dose is usually 200-250 mg of test a week, i think. i'm sure some others on here have experience with this, i'm just going by what i've heard.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

you pin a trt-style dose of test while cruising, and then you do a blast where you'll up the dose of test and/or add in more compounds. so you're on year-round, you just drop down to the trt dose of test to give your body a bit of a rest without actually coming off. trt dose is usually 200-250 mg of test a week, i think. i'm sure some others on here have experience with this, i'm just going by what i've heard.

I've heard of "cruising" and yes I have a friend who actually never comes off. He just shoots himself 250mg a week. I'm not sure about cruising though. I know every year my body's test production is getting less and less, it's about age (I'm 45) but in the back of my head I still want my body to produce as much as it can for sometime and also, I'm not sure about the long term consequences of never coming off. But having said all that it is an interesting thought. Maybe when I hit 50 or 55 I will do a TRT type thing.

Getting old sucks. When I was in my teens, 20's and even 30's I never thought in a million years my body's test production would decrease. God has a funny sense of humor, we men lose our hair and our test drops. Really sucks. Luckily I still have my hair (although greying) but my natty test levels are usually about 502. At 21 the average man is about 860.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

you pin a trt-style dose of test while cruising, and then you do a blast where you'll up the dose of test and/or add in more compounds. so you're on year-round, you just drop down to the trt dose of test to give your body a bit of a rest without actually coming off. trt dose is usually 200-250 mg of test a week, i think. i'm sure some others on here have experience with this, i'm just going by what i've heard.

I've heard of "cruising" and yes I have a friend who actually never comes off. He just shoots himself 250mg a week. I'm not sure about cruising though. I know every year my body's test production is getting less and less, it's about age (I'm 45) but in the back of my head I still want my body to produce as much as it can for sometime and also, I'm not sure about the long term consequences of never coming off. But having said all that it is an interesting thought. Maybe when I hit 50 or 55 I will do a TRT type thing.

Getting old sucks. When I was in my teens, 20's and even 30's I never thought in a million years my body's test production would decrease. God has a funny sense of humor, we men lose our hair and our test drops. Really sucks. Luckily I still have my hair (although greying) but my natty test levels are usually about 502. At 21 the average man is about 860.

 

[BrianP0523]

yea, life's a bitch, but what are you gonna do? it is what it is

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

yea, life's a bitch, but what are you gonna do? it is what it is

Yeup.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Ok, I got some of my results back. I'm still waiting on estrogen but here are the other numbers after 4 weeks and 1 day of PCT and 6 weeks and 1 day since my last pin. Keep in mind I am 45 years old:

Total Testosterone-578.7
Free Testosterone-116.35
LH-18.6

My free testosterone levels are usually about 502, so the Clomid I have must be good and for my age 578 is not bad.
My free testosterone is usually 3% of my total and is usually 15. But here it looks like it's 20%!
Finally normal LH levels are 1.8-8.6 and mine are 18.6.

Incidentally my libido has come back a little but nothing great. So I guess I have to wait for the estrogen numbers. It could be that my estrogen is too low. I dont think it's high because I have tell tale signs of high estrogen; I have a small lump in my right nipple that I got from prohormones I used 7 years ago and whenever my estrogen levels are high it becomes bigger. Also, I get very emotional. Neither of those things are the case.

 

[BrianP0523]

are you running an ai?

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

are you running an ai?

I'm running 20mg of Novladex.

 

[BrianP0523]

running a low dose 2-3 times a week of aromasin might help you come back a little quicker, but your numbers look pretty good so you might not want to mess with it any more imo.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

running a low dose 2-3 times a week of aromasin might help you come back a little quicker, but your numbers look pretty good so you might not want to mess with it any more imo.

I dont have any Aromasine on hand I only have Aremidex. But here is my question. Since Novla doesnt kill estrogen (I don't think) but controls it's side affects does that mean it also controls the side effects of low libido? And when I get my estrogen blood work will it show high estrogen or will the Novladex block the reading as well?

 

[johnnybeegood]

nolva should bind with estrogen receptors which will send a signal to your body to produce more test, i believe. i'm not sure what effect, if any, it will have on libido. how's your diet? have you been eating lots of healhty fats? foods with vitamin d3, zinc, magnesium?

 

[Goliath1]

What were your estrogen levels?

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

nolva should bind with estrogen receptors which will send a signal to your body to produce more test, i believe. i'm not sure what effect, if any, it will have on libido. how's your diet? have you been eating lots of healhty fats? foods with vitamin d3, zinc, magnesium?

My diet is on point.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

What were your estrogen levels?

I'm still waiting on my estrogen levels. They said Friday or earlier.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

While I am waiting for the estrogen levels I decided to call my doctor to ask about prolactine and he said it was 18. Which is a bit high. Should not be above 15. I have some caber on hand so will use that ans see what happens.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Does anyone know why the hell it takes so long to get estrogen lab results back? I mean what is involved in the testing that requires so many days as opposed to Testosterone which comes back in 2-3 days?

 

[Goliath1]

No clue bro, Privatemdlabs send my results the next day, not sure what the hold up is..

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

No clue bro, Privatemdlabs send my results the next day, not sure what the hold up is..

What private lab do you use? Next time Im going to ask my doctor to send it to them or go to a doctor that works with them because this is pure bull****. Im so pissed. By the time I get my results back it will be time for another blood test, LOL!!

 

[Goliath1]

No bro, Privatemdlabs.com

You pick your test, a lab near you.. Go give blood and the next day you get an email link to get your results..

Sometimes it takes 2-3 days though if you get a bunch of things done. But there pretty quick..
My doctor takes like a week or so if he refers me somewhere..

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

No bro, Privatemdlabs.com

You pick your test, a lab near you.. Go give blood and the next day you get an email link to get your results..

Sometimes it takes 2-3 days though if you get a bunch of things done. But there pretty quick..
My doctor takes like a week or so if he refers me somewhere..

Thank you!

 

[BrianP0523]

it seems to me like you're coming back fine and right on schedule.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

I just went on their website to find a lab location and when I put in my zip code and hit search it said due to state laws, we cannot provide services for RESIDENTS in NY, NJ, MA, MD or RI.
So, Im ****ed. You must live in the real America, I live in the People's Republic of NY run by communists who want to control every aspect of your life and take as much money from your pay check as possible while insulting you by saying you dont pay enough. Im in a pissed off mood right now.

 

[BrianP0523]

i know all about that, i live in RI.

 

[Goliath1]

Sorry man, I'm not sure about that, that sucks.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

it seems to me like you're coming back fine and right on schedule.

Yes, my testosterone results are good; and I have been feeling a little more horny but Im not at 100%. The whole picture can't be seen unless I get the Estrogen results though. But as I stated above my Prolactine was a bit high (a reading of 18) and I didnt take any Deca or Dbol, I was just on Testosterone Ethonate and Anavar for AAS, T3 and Clen for the ancillaries and ofcourse Adex to control estrogen. So Im not sure what would cause the Prolactine to be at 18. I mean 18 is not that high but it is a bit outside the normal range of 6-15.

 

[Goliath1]

It takes time sometimes bro, I went through this and blasted myself with natty stacks and all types of sh$$ and just caused estrogen issues..

All part of the "I wanna be yoked" game lol

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Im still waiting for my estrogen results but my libido is back.
Im not sure what brought it back but in the past two days I added 0.5 Caber, 500mcg L-Arginine and 50mg of DHEA. Also, yesterday I started taking an 0.5mg of Adex and have been continuously taking 2 pills of Mass Ar***** X-Treme for 6 days.

 

[Goliath1]

Nice!!!

Don't go killing your forearms now lol

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Nice!!!

Don't go killing your forearms now lol

LOL!!

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Ok, I got my Total Estrogen numbers back, they are 1,286 pg/ml. That is NOT a typo. How the hell could this have happened and will just using Adex at 0.5mg do anything to lower it to normal levels?

 

[Goliath1]

What's your reference range on that number they gave you? Should be next to the number somewhere.

Get on that adex heavily or some Letro..