You missed my point. You can be honest and still be a dick. Another thing the uninitiated are unaware of is just how abundant and readily available information is. I know I had no clue. My assumption over three years ago was that since this stuff is taboo I was going to have to learn everything second hand from guys that had someone teach them. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that people wrote openly and honestly about this stuff. That's a true definition of ignorance. Not only do you not have knowledge, you don't even know where to start in acquiring the knowledge you need. And it wasn't until I had a few guys point me in the right direction instead of just telling me how ignorant I was that I realized. So, you can call it honesty, but so is telling someone that has a stick in their eye that it's there. Of course they know it's there, why not actually be helpful and show them what to do about it. Otherwise, you might as well keep your mouth shut.