Massive bulk cycle !! Is it ok ?

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29 5"11 180lbs 11% bf
Cycles aas before but not peptides or slin

What you think for bulking
Diet surplus of 500 to start .
Got caber
Adex
N2 gaurd running

1-20 test e 750 working up to 1000 mg ?
1-20 eq 600 working up to 800
1-16 deca 600 working up to 800
1-4 anadrol 100mg

Peptides
Ghrp 6 and mod grf 100mcg of each morning , pre workout and before bed

Slin
Humalog
Work up to twice a day up to 10iu max
Morning slin post peptides 10iu then shake
And pre workout 10iu post Ghrp and mod shot then shake


Igf1-lr3 workout days only
100mcg post workout then shake

What do you all think
Slin and igf1-lr3 running workout days only 6weeks on and 2-4 ? Weeks off
 
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29 5"11 180lbs 11% bf Cycles aas before but not peptides or slin What you think for bulking Diet surplus of 500 to start . Got caber Adex N2 gaurd running 1-20 test e 750 working up to 1000 mg ? 1-20 eq 600 working up to 800 1-16 deca 600 working up to 800 1-4 anadrol 100mg Peptides Ghrp 6 and mod grf 100mcg of each morning , pre workout and before bed Slin Humalog Work up to twice a day up to 10iu max Morning slin post peptides 10iu then shake And pre workout 10iu post Ghrp and mod shot then shake Igf1-lr3 workout days only 100mcg post workout then shake What do you all think Slin and igf1-lr3 running workout days only 6weeks on and 2-4 ? Weeks off
I'm too much of a p*ssy to go anywhere near slin, so can't advise on that.

But that's a SERIOUS amount of gear there mate!! If my maths is right you're running 2650mg of gear per week in weeks one to four?! Jesus you will absolutely balloon, if you don't die...but it's all about gains anyway eh?

Never used GH either, so let some of the elite members comment on that.

Good luck, be interested to see how this turns out.
 
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I'm too much of a p*ssy to go anywhere near slin, so can't advise on that. But that's a SERIOUS amount of gear there mate!! If my maths is right you're running 2650mg of gear per week in weeks one to four?! Jesus you will absolutely balloon, if you don't die...but it's all about gains anyway eh? Never used GH either, so let some of the elite members acomment on that. b Good luck, be interested to see how this turns out.
Yes it is huge mate , I doubt I'll die lol , but in terms of support caber adex etc I'm covered.

Deca n eq doses is maximum and may drop them before if needed to 400mg

It's the igf1-lr3 timing etc and slin I'm interested about .
 
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Yes it is huge mate , I doubt I'll die lol , but in terms of support caber adex etc I'm covered. Deca n eq doses is maximum and may drop them before if needed to 400mg It's the igf1-lr3 timing etc and slin I'm interested about .
Haha, yeah let's hope not. I was joking, just impressed by the amounts.

I can't advise on those mate, I don't know enough to offer you any kind of sensible advice on growth or slin, so I don't.

You going to log this? I'd be interested to follow if you did.
 

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29 5"11 180lbs 11% bf Cycles aas before but not peptides or slin What you think for bulking Diet surplus of 500 to start . Got caber Adex N2 gaurd running 1-20 test e 750 working up to 1000 mg ? 1-20 eq 600 working up to 800 1-16 deca 600 working up to 800 1-4 anadrol 100mg Peptides Ghrp 6 and mod grf 100mcg of each morning , pre workout and before bed Slin Humalog Work up to twice a day up to 10iu max Morning slin post peptides 10iu then shake And pre workout 10iu post Ghrp and mod shot then shake Igf1-lr3 workout days only 100mcg post workout then shake What do you all think Slin and igf1-lr3 running workout days only 6weeks on and 2-4 ? Weeks off
What show are you targeting?
 
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What show are you targeting?
Not sure , there's men's physique in may next year or may go bodybuilder look if I put enough size . Never done a comp , so will be amateur . I'll leave 16 weeks to cut though
 
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Haha, yeah let's hope not. I was joking, just impressed by the amounts. I can't advise on those mate, I don't know enough to offer you any kind of sensible advice on growth or slin, so I don't. You going to log this? I'd be interested to follow if you did.
Log it on here ? Or start new thread mate ? Not sure . I could do pics etc
 
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Log it on here ? Or start new thread mate ? Not sure . I could do pics etc
Whichever you want, I'll follow in either just PM me to let me know where it's logged before you start. Before and after pics are always useful but your call, I'd just be interested to track the facts and figures!!
 
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Whichever you want, I'll follow in either just PM me to let me know where it's logged before you start. Before and after pics are always useful but your call, I'd just be interested to track the facts and figures!!
will do
I start in 2 weeks ?
 
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1-20 Sust- 1000mg

1-6 equipoise 600mg

7-20Equipoise -800mg

1-6 deca 600mg

7-18Deca -800mg

13-20 tren 300mg

1-20 Anadrol - 100mg/day
And DBol -20mg/day - 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off

Ghrp6 and mod grf 3-4x day 100mcg each

Igf1-lr3 100mcg mornings of training days

Humalog insulin 10iu post workout
 
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29 5"11 180lbs 11% bf
Cycles aas before but not peptides or slin

What you think for bulking
Diet surplus of 500 to start .
Got caber
Adex
N2 gaurd running

1-20 test e 750 working up to 1000 mg ?
1-20 eq 600 working up to 800
1-16 deca 600 working up to 800
1-4 anadrol 100mg

Peptides
Ghrp 6 and mod grf 100mcg of each morning , pre workout and before bed

Slin
Humalog
Work up to twice a day up to 10iu max
Morning slin post peptides 10iu then shake
And pre workout 10iu post Ghrp and mod shot then shake


Igf1-lr3 workout days only
100mcg post workout then shake

What do you all think
Slin and igf1-lr3 running workout days only 6weeks on and 2-4 ? Weeks off
Dude what, you're 5'11" 180lbs at 11%, wtf do you need all of that for? WHY? What makes you think this will turn you into some freak? If you were 5'8 at those stats, or maybe 5-6% body fat id be a little more understanding as it would show you have an idea of how to train and eat, but clearly you dont. Or maybe you have only been lifting a year or two, in which case you shouldnt be using all of that **** anyway!

Drop the peptides, drop the slin, drop the IGF1, drop the deca, drop the tren, lower your test dose, and learn how to eat! Learn how to train! Theres no excuse dude, I started at 5'10 130lbs and I measured at 193lbs 7% body fat last week.... Ive never used a fraction of your proposed cycle!!

I dont mean to be so critical dude, but this rampant drug ABUSE is becoming too common and its responsible for all the problems that this sport faces today. You dont need all of this to be big, you need the basics.
 
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Dude what, you're 5'11" 180lbs at 11%, wtf do you need all of that for? WHY? What makes you think this will turn you into some freak? If you were 5'8 at those stats, or maybe 5-6% body fat id be a little more understanding as it would show you have an idea of how to train and eat, but clearly you dont. Or maybe you have only been lifting a year or two, in which case you shouldnt be using all of that **** anyway! Drop the peptides, drop the slin, drop the IGF1, drop the deca, drop the tren, lower your test dose, and learn how to eat! Learn how to train! Theres no excuse dude, I started at 5'10 130lbs and I measured at 193lbs 7% body fat last week.... Ive never used a fraction of your proposed cycle!! I dont mean to be so critical dude, but this rampant drug ABUSE is becoming too common and its responsible for all the problems that this sport faces today. You dont need all of this to be big, you need the basics.
I know what you mean .
I've learnt how to train, done it years , just not really had it in me to do it properly . Since April I've kept all muscle and gone from 25% bf to 11% as my diets on key for once and stopped drinking etc due to house move and misses . It's a long story but I know what to do . Part of me just wants to get on stage in may next year . So lean slow bulk . Your probably right in terms of aas use I'll drop doses but want to keep the mix .
I know what your am saying tho don't get me wrong . It's a blast I want to try see if with my new lifestyle and dedication I can achieve a lot during this cycle .
 
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I know what you mean .
I've learnt how to train, done it years , just not really had it in me to do it properly . Since April I've kept all muscle and gone from 25% bf to 11% as my diets on key for once and stopped drinking etc due to house move and misses . It's a long story but I know what to do . Part of me just wants to get on stage in may next year . So lean slow bulk . Your probably right in terms of aas use I'll drop doses but want to keep the mix .
I know what your am saying tho don't get me wrong . It's a blast I want to try see if with my new lifestyle and dedication I can achieve a lot during this cycle .

So at first you're admitting to not doing it properly, then you're saying you have a newfound lifestyle and dedication? How can you call it dedication if its something thats new to you?

Its also not very hard to diet from 25% to 11% without losing muscle (although im sure you lost some and it would be verifiable if you had done something like a DEXA scan), because muscle loss only really becomes a concern when dipping below 10% bodyfat.

Have you ever been in single digits with an appreciable amount of muscle mass? How much can you squat? How much did you squat two leg days ago? What did you eat for the whole day of Wednesday, August 6th? These are questions any dedicated bodybuilder can make, because they keep a log book of their training, they keep food journals and eat the same foods the same days at the same times of the week because thats what it takes. Thats how its done. Until you're crossing into that threshold, what makes you think you can "achieve a lot" by just throwing a ton of **** on a wall and seeing how much will stick?

You'll maybe put on 5-10lbs, a lot of water, some body fat, and then you'll come off. You still wont know how to eat or train properly because you never learned the basics, and then that size will vanish. Then you will have put all sorts of stress on your body, suffered all sorts of side effects, caused some longer term side effects, and for what? Because you wanted to be a drug abuser? Stupid. But i cant stop you, so do what you do.
 
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So at first you're admitting to not doing it properly, then you're saying you have a newfound lifestyle and dedication? How can you call it dedication if its something thats new to you? Its also not very hard to diet from 25% to 11% without losing muscle (although im sure you lost some and it would be verifiable if you had done something like a DEXA scan), because muscle loss only really becomes a concern when dipping below 10% bodyfat. Have you ever been in single digits with an appreciable amount of muscle mass? How much can you squat? How much did you squat two leg days ago? What did you eat for the whole day of Wednesday, August 6th? These are questions any dedicated bodybuilder can make, because they keep a log book of their training, they keep food journals and eat the same foods the same days at the same times of the week because thats what it takes. Thats how its done. Until you're crossing into that threshold, what makes you think you can "achieve a lot" by just throwing a ton of **** on a wall and seeing how much will stick? You'll maybe put on 5-10lbs, a lot of water, some body fat, and then you'll come off. You still wont know how to eat or train properly because you never learned the basics, and then that size will vanish. Then you will have put all sorts of stress on your body, suffered all sorts of side effects, caused some longer term side effects, and for what? Because you wanted to be a drug abuser? Stupid. But i cant stop you, so do what you do.
I've said I'll reduce doses etc . And yes I do know how to train thank you very much and know how to eat ! Just because I'm not professional doesn't mean I'm not ready to try aas in larger cycle . I admit it's alot etc however in all due respect you don't know my diet , macros , logs , training routine etc etc etc

I appreciate what your saying and I'm acting accordingly . . And loosing that much fat I feel was an achievement and busted my balls off for months training twice a day and dieting down where cravings didn't even get better of me . I've never lean bulked before properly as in past I was a nightmare and mixed with wrong people etc . This last year I've put 100% effort in gym and I've done previos cycles in the past I'm even on trt so know how to use testosterone and other compounds .
Like I said thanks for being honest but I feel maybe you now know abit about me and my decisions . Like I said I'll be reducing doses etc
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Kevin is right my friend, your trying to cycle with stuff that most people with expeirince wouldn't even touch. I know Bbuilders that have logs and training logs that go back 4 years ago. They were natural and had to learned what foods to eat and how to train and recover. Do you even have pre blood panels that you can reference to to make sure your not in early stage liver failure or have a kidney disease. Theres a lot of stuff to prep before a cycle(atleast healthy and safe). You should post pics of you currently now.
 
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I think there's a bit of overreaction and hypocrisy here purely because his cycle is heavier and bigger than most that are posted up on this board.

But come on, how many people do you see chucking 4 week PH cycles around the board at 20% body fat and no-one is asking them what they ate on a specific day or whether they have pre blood work done. They are told where to buy it cheapest, and to make sure they include Cycle Support and some Inhibit P. Oh and make sure you have a SERM...

I don't claim to know anything about insulin or HGH use, so I won't comment on that, but this looks to be a fairly well thought out AAS cycle. Heavy on the doses, maybe. Heavier than I've ever done anyway, but it's his call.

My point is, hormone manipulation is hormone manipulation, and if your average guy on this board is getting pointed towards 19-Nor PH's and 12 week test cycles as a matter of course without seeming to have done any research whatsoever, why is this any different? I would be prepared to be there are very few members on the board that practice what they preach as much as they do, and even so, they don't have a god given right to exclusive use of AAS, anymore than a recreational drug user has the right to say who can use what drug based on their different tastes in music.

Ultimately, the board is here to share information and for more experienced members to help and advise less experienced members on AAS use. The OP is in better shape than a lot of the posters in the Anabolics section looking for cycle advice and has more of a handle than most on what he's doing, so why is he getting a harder time of it than your average noob?
 
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I think there's a bit of overreaction and hypocrisy here purely because his cycle is heavier and bigger than most that are posted up on this board. But come on, how many people do you see chucking 4 week PH cycles around the board at 20% body fat and no-one is asking them what they ate on a specific day or whether they have pre blood work done. They are told where to buy it cheapest, and to make sure they include Cycle Support and some Inhibit P. Oh and make sure you have a SERM... I don't claim to know anything about insulin or HGH use, so I won't comment on that, but this looks to be a fairly well thought out AAS cycle. Heavy on the doses, maybe. Heavier than I've ever done anyway, but it's his call. My point is, hormone manipulation is hormone manipulation, and if your average guy on this board is getting pointed towards 19-Nor PH's and 12 week test cycles as a matter of course without seeming to have done any research whatsoever, why is this any different? I would be prepared to be there are very few members on the board that practice what they preach as much as they do, and even so, they don't have a god given right to exclusive use of AAS, anymore than a recreational drug user has the right to say who can use what drug based on their different tastes in music. Ultimately, the board is here to share information and for more experienced members to help and advise less experienced members on AAS use. The OP is in better shape than a lot of the posters in the Anabolics section looking for cycle advice and has more of a handle than most on what he's doing, so why is he getting a harder time of it than your average noob?

Agreed some of you guys on here are dicks. Just help the guy out or don't comment.
 
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This is a heavy cycle bro. At 180lbs i see no need for igf, slin or any of that ****.

If anything, test and tren should be ample at your size but while its impressive that you lost a lot of bf%, getting down to 11% takes relatively no diet advice rather than 'eat less and refeed'. Below that is where you really test your diet knowledge and mental will power.

However if you are dead set on it i wish you luck. But i always preach that if you are going that heavy with a cycle that you put 10x the effect into training and diet
 
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This is a heavy cycle bro. At 180lbs i see no need for igf, slin or any of that ****. If anything, test and tren should be ample at your size but while its impressive that you lost a lot of bf%, getting down to 11% takes relatively no diet advice rather than 'eat less and refeed'. Below that is where you really test your diet knowledge and mental will power. However if you are dead set on it i wish you luck. But i always preach that if you are going that heavy with a cycle that you put 10x the effect into training and diet
Thanks everyone .
Started bulking now I made my diet myself and run it by a few too blokes and they were impressed with macros and foods

Diet bulk 3850 cals
55%c. 525g
30%p. 290g
15%f. 65g

Every3 weeks superset compound isolation movements

6.55am humalog 10iu
7am
70g dextrose / 50g whey and creatine Leucine bcaa etc

8am
70g oats / 25g whey / blueberries

9.30am
250g basmati rice. / 125g lean beef mince
Soy sauce pepper
Veg

12pm
2 x baked sweet potatoes 113g each approx
Veg
125g lean beef mince
1 tsb olive oil

3pm
250g brown rice / chicken breast
1 tsb olive oil
Veg

Approx
4.30 10iu humalog
4.35pm 70g dextrose / 50g whey ... Creatine etc etc

Train 5pm
Intra wo
sip on 35g dextrose / 25g whey

7.30pm
Turkey or cod fillets / or egg whites / ...250g brown rice / 1 baked sweet potato
Veg

9.30pm
25g of casein

10.30pm bed


Training is heavy , try and do 4 exercises 4sets 6-8 reps large and small muscles 3 exercises 3 sets 6-8 reps
Adding in super sets from time to time

Added week muscle twice a week like arms 3 weeks on 2 off to keep shocking it

M back triceps
T chest biceps
W shoulders traps abs
T off
F legs
S arms , abs ,cardio ,chest flys
S off

I feel igf and slin will be great to try and I'll start lower than 10iu slin anyway that's maximum if I eventually get there .
I changed my scales also other day before bulk . Paid a lot for them but was actually 194lbs . Not that it matters really

Cycle will be altered to
1-18 sust 750
1-16 deca 400
1-18 eq 400-600
1-4 oxys 100mged
14-18 oxys 100mg ed

Insulin and igf1-lr3 training days only 6 wks on 2 weeks off

It's calmed down abit but I'm set on making a comp next year amateur men's physique to start .
 
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Thanks everyone .
Started bulking now I made my diet myself and run it by a few too blokes and they were impressed with macros and foods

Diet bulk 3850 cals
55%c. 525g
30%p. 290g
15%f. 65g

Every3 weeks superset compound isolation movements

6.55am humalog 10iu
7am
70g dextrose / 50g whey and creatine Leucine bcaa etc

8am
70g oats / 25g whey / blueberries

9.30am
250g basmati rice. / 125g lean beef mince
Soy sauce pepper
Veg

12pm
2 x baked sweet potatoes 113g each approx
Veg
125g lean beef mince
1 tsb olive oil

3pm
250g brown rice / chicken breast
1 tsb olive oil
Veg

Approx
4.30 10iu humalog
4.35pm 70g dextrose / 50g whey ... Creatine etc etc

Train 5pm
Intra wo
sip on 35g dextrose / 25g whey

7.30pm
Turkey or cod fillets / or egg whites / ...250g brown rice / 1 baked sweet potato
Veg

9.30pm
25g of casein

10.30pm bed

Training is heavy , try and do 4 exercises 4sets 6-8 reps large and small muscles 3 exercises 3 sets 6-8 reps
Adding in super sets from time to time

Added week muscle twice a week like arms 3 weeks on 2 off to keep shocking it

M back triceps
T chest biceps
W shoulders traps abs
T off
F legs
S arms , abs ,cardio ,chest flys
S off

I feel igf and slin will be great to try and I'll start lower than 10iu slin anyway that's maximum if I eventually get there .
I changed my scales also other day before bulk . Paid a lot for them but was actually 194lbs . Not that it matters really

Cycle will be altered to
1-18 sust 750
1-16 deca 400
1-18 eq 400-600
1-4 oxys 100mged
14-18 oxys 100mg ed

Insulin and igf1-lr3 training days only 6 wks on 2 weeks off

It's calmed down abit but I'm set on making a comp next year amateur men's physique to start .
Looks good but leave out slin. You haven't even done a show yet bro. Slin is getting in over your head IMO. **** can **** you up. Ease into things bro, just switch deca for tren a if you want crazy results.
I'd just run some hgh for 6-12 months at 4-6ius mon-fri. Along with your gear.
 
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This is a heavy cycle bro. At 180lbs i see no need for igf, slin or any of that ****.

If anything, test and tren should be ample at your size but while its impressive that you lost a lot of bf%, getting down to 11% takes relatively no diet advice rather than 'eat less and refeed'. Below that is where you really test your diet knowledge and mental will power.

However if you are dead set on it i wish you luck. But i always preach that if you are going that heavy with a cycle that you put 10x the effect into training and diet
I saw this after I posted almost the exact same thing...lol
 
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It's calmed down abit but I'm set on making a comp next year amateur men's physique to start .

Diet looks good, id maybe consider cutting out the fats from 3pm meal since slin is hit again at 4pm (you want minimal fats around the slin in order to prevent excess triglyceride storage). The fats at 12pm meal will be slightly assimilated by that time, and the log from 7am wont be active any longer so you should be fine there, but you'll need to experiment with it. Id recommend taking fasting blood sugar regularly in the AM, and when you notice it trending upwards id drop the slin for a few weeks, maybe introduce metformin during this period to re-sensitize insulin.

The cycle looks MUCH better except id cut EQ when i cut deca since they both have extra long half lives (but you TRT so it doesnt really matter very much). In the intra workout, if the whey upsets your stomach at all switch to BCAA or a hydrolyzed whey form. Again this doesnt matter much, but I notice whey in my intras makes me bloated and I get nauseous before i otherwise would with free form aminos. I still dont think slin or IGF are necessary, but I wont fault you for wanting to try them. Just be aware that they arent the hype that theyre played out to be.

The one thing that has me is your goal is mens physique, a completely different look than mens bodybuilding. You could literally cut the dose from every compound in half and still have a cycle thats excellent for MPD. If you told me you were looking to jump into the national circuit in bodybuilding by this time next year, I'd say your cycle is a jump in the right direction.
 
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I think there's a bit of overreaction and hypocrisy here purely because his cycle is heavier and bigger than most that are posted up on this board.

But come on, how many people do you see chucking 4 week PH cycles around the board at 20% body fat and no-one is asking them what they ate on a specific day or whether they have pre blood work done. They are told where to buy it cheapest, and to make sure they include Cycle Support and some Inhibit P. Oh and make sure you have a SERM...

I don't claim to know anything about insulin or HGH use, so I won't comment on that, but this looks to be a fairly well thought out AAS cycle. Heavy on the doses, maybe. Heavier than I've ever done anyway, but it's his call.

My point is, hormone manipulation is hormone manipulation, and if your average guy on this board is getting pointed towards 19-Nor PH's and 12 week test cycles as a matter of course without seeming to have done any research whatsoever, why is this any different? I would be prepared to be there are very few members on the board that practice what they preach as much as they do, and even so, they don't have a god given right to exclusive use of AAS, anymore than a recreational drug user has the right to say who can use what drug based on their different tastes in music.

Ultimately, the board is here to share information and for more experienced members to help and advise less experienced members on AAS use. The OP is in better shape than a lot of the posters in the Anabolics section looking for cycle advice and has more of a handle than most on what he's doing, so why is he getting a harder time of it than your average noob?
Agreed some of you guys on here are dicks. Just help the guy out or don't comment.

Both of you, just shut up. I'm helping him more than both of you so keep your crys to yourself. Hormone manipulation isnt just hormone manipulation. I like to think i'm more experienced and well read on this topic than 90% of the users on this board, and when i see someone making mistakes i'm going to point it out to them, and I'm going to be blunt about it. The reason I'm so harsh isnt to knock the OP, its because hundreds of other people read these threads, and if someone like me doesnt come in and say "WAY TOO MUCH BRO", then people will think its alright. Then we will have tons of people boston loyd-ing it with ****ed up abscesses and everything.
 
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Diet looks good, id maybe consider cutting out the fats from 3pm meal since slin is hit again at 4pm (you want minimal fats around the slin in order to prevent excess triglyceride storage). The fats at 12pm meal will be slightly assimilated by that time, and the log from 7am wont be active any longer so you should be fine there, but you'll need to experiment with it. Id recommend taking fasting blood sugar regularly in the AM, and when you notice it trending upwards id drop the slin for a few weeks, maybe introduce metformin during this period to re-sensitize insulin. The cycle looks MUCH better except id cut EQ when i cut deca since they both have extra long half lives (but you TRT so it doesnt really matter very much). In the intra workout, if the whey upsets your stomach at all switch to BCAA or a hydrolyzed whey form. Again this doesnt matter much, but I notice whey in my intras makes me bloated and I get nauseous before i otherwise would with free form aminos. I still dont think slin or IGF are necessary, but I wont fault you for wanting to try them. Just be aware that they arent the hype that theyre played out to be. The one thing that has me is your goal is mens physique, a completely different look than mens bodybuilding. You could literally cut the dose from every compound in half and still have a cycle thats excellent for MPD. If you told me you were looking to jump into the national circuit in bodybuilding by this time next year, I'd say your cycle is a jump in the right direction.
I understand your helping and being honest , and seems you know what your talking about so I can take criticism on the chin lol
I agree fats at 3 pm is a bad idea , fair play for spotting that .

In terms if competing I was only thinking men's ohysique as my vilify type sways more that way as I'm not slabs of muscle just yet . Maybe 2 years from now I'll take that stage amateur . Think men's physique is a good start point and goal for me . I've seen last years amateurs and I swear I'm in sane shake mis as them lol
 
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Go with whatever your goal is man. If in your minds eye you prefer to have the shape of a mens physique competitor, then jump into mens physique. If you want to be competitive in bodybuilding, then do that. Once you have a solid grasp on what you want to achieve, you can mold your diet/training/supplementation around that specific goal. I'm a bigger fan of the aesthetic physiques like zane/bob paris/francis benfatto, so i tailor everything around that specific goal.

If long term goal is to be a competitive bodybuilder, I'd say skip the physique transition and jump into bodybuilding. Why do something just because its easier? Do you really want to say "well i wouldve done bodybuilding, but physique had weaker competition so i did this instead"?

You have to start somewhere.
 
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Both of you, just shut up. I'm helping him more than both of you so keep your crys to yourself. Hormone manipulation isnt just hormone manipulation. I like to think i'm more experienced and well read on this topic than 90% of the users on this board, and when i see someone making mistakes i'm going to point it out to them, and I'm going to be blunt about it. The reason I'm so harsh isnt to knock the OP, its because hundreds of other people read these threads, and if someone like me doesnt come in and say "WAY TOO MUCH BRO", then people will think its alright. Then we will have tons of people boston loyd-ing it with ****ed up abscesses and everything.
Your first posts weren't helpful though. There was no real advice other than saying don't do it and he's an abuser.

My point was that there are noobs day in day out being pointed at cycles they shouldn't be doing, and someone in relatively decent shape who's done some research is being totally flamed.

I've read your posts since, and you obviously know what you're on about. I didn't at one point say I didn't think you knew what you were on about.

I've been a member here since 2008 and have also done my fair share of reading around and understand what I am doing also, on the AAS side anyway. Probably more than most on this board. Not all, but I'd like to think my knowledge was acceptable enough to hold a reasonably decent discussion with someone and enable me to take AAS relatively safely.

I also said I had no experience on slin or HGH, and asked for elite members to comment. Which you have done, and I'm sure the OP is grateful for your advice on that. I also stated I thought the doses were high, and that if he didn't die he'd gain. So you weren't the first to say his doses were huge and that he should think about dropping them. I did point out he'd be taking 2.6g per week in his first 4 weeks of the cycle.

I'm not doubting your knowledge, and I didn't quote your posts in my reply. I was generally stating that I think there is a lot of double standards on the boards in terms of advice given to people relative to their experience and goals.

Apologies if any offence was taken, but I stand by the fact that this guy doesn't immediately come across as a total noob, and I think constructive criticism as opposed to being flamed instantly is still the way forward on a board like this.

And I'm still holding out that I was the first to say his dose was high...
 
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Go with whatever your goal is man. If in your minds eye you prefer to have the shape of a mens physique competitor, then jump into mens physique. If you want to be competitive in bodybuilding, then do that. Once you have a solid grasp on what you want to achieve, you can mold your diet/training/supplementation around that specific goal. I'm a bigger fan of the aesthetic physiques like zane/bob paris/francis benfatto, so i tailor everything around that specific goal. If long term goal is to be a competitive bodybuilder, I'd say skip the physique transition and jump into bodybuilding. Why do something just because its easier? Do you really want to say "well i wouldve done bodybuilding, but physique had weaker competition so i did this instead"? You have to start somewhere.
I suppose your right . In my mind I'm thinking I've got 10 months . So my main goal at the moment is to bulk as clean as I can for 4 months then see how I fit . As much mass as possible and leave a good 20 weeks cut to make a decision from there . Hoping I won't need 20 weeks but better to be safe than sorry I suppose .

Head strong and focused now on getting on stage and achieving something I've been interested in for quite some time now .
 

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Honestly bro I'd have to agree with that amount of gear being far from necessary. I'm your height, same bf and sitting at 214 and have never used over 2 grams a week. Your body can only grow so much and the reason pros use so much gear is not to see more growth but in order to maintain the amount of lean muscle mass they have. I also know competitors who don't use that amount of gear bro. I think it could use a few tweaks that would make the cycle much more effective with a little less mg/wk.


Anyways, if you're going to run the dose regardless I'd definitely consider upping your protein intake man. Your protein synthesis is about to be on some **** with all that gear so make sure you're giving your body enough protein to build more muscle, if not you're cutting yourself short. I wouldn't adjust macros, just add another 400 cals worth of protein. The surplus won't make you gain unwanted, trust me. With that much gear you'll be an anabolic machine bro. Good luck.
 
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Honestly bro I'd have to agree with that amount of gear being far from necessary. I'm your height, same bf and sitting at 214 and have never used over 2 grams a week. Your body can only grow so much and the reason pros use so much gear is not to see more growth but in order to maintain the amount of lean muscle mass they have. I also know competitors who don't use that amount of gear bro. I think it could use a few tweaks that would make the cycle much more effective with a little less mg/wk. Anyways, if you're going to run the dose regardless I'd definitely consider upping your protein intake man. Your protein synthesis is about to be on some **** with all that gear so make sure you're giving your body enough protein to build more muscle, if not you're cutting yourself short. I wouldn't adjust macros, just add another 400 cals worth of protein. The surplus won't make you gain unwanted, trust me. With that much gear you'll be an anabolic machine bro. Good luck.
Cool , I'll add more . I have reduced mg as I think it's better for me at this stage . Thanks to feedback I've had .
 
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I might start a log ! Everything's in just need to start next week . Started diet akready and ivd blown up lol carbs soaked in nicely !
 
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I've said before but I'd love to see this logged...if you do decide to, I'm in.
 
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Started at 180 n now 217lbs I have 6 wks left roughly 12-13 wks in

Done
Tri test 750 wk
Deca 600
Eq 600

Before and after pics

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Did you get bloods in this cycle. How was your strength.
 
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Did you get bloods in this cycle. How was your strength.
I did before cycle and I will after and donate cuz of eq ,
I should be bigger really but got 6 weeks left to make it count
 

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That's why I was asking bc i thought should be a bit bigger and more fuller, I was hoping you didn't get bunk gear. But didn't see that you have 6 weeks left. Your weights amazing but would like to to see your after pics and after pct pics.



I did before cycle and I will after and donate cuz of eq ,
I should be bigger really but got 6 weeks left to make it count
 
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That's why I was asking bc i thought should be a bit bigger and more fuller, I was hoping you didn't get bunk gear. But didn't see that you have 6 weeks left. Your weights amazing but would like to to see your after pics and after pct pics.

If you look closely I've gained in all areas mainly back and traps n shoulders . My legs are big too new trousers lol . But my diet only recently got abit more intense more cals so these last 6 weeks I'm smashing more food mate to keep up for a bigger frame .
It's real mate as I'm aggressive and spots n libido etc I'm sure . Diet is now on track so I added this . 6 weeks left all gear kicked in let's get big ?
 
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Weighed in today at 220.4 lbs so another 2lbs added . Thanks to more food
 

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How have the strength gains been? Going from 180 to 220 I'm assuming unreal. Joints probably feel great from the deca eh?
 
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How have the strength gains been? Going from 180 to 220 I'm assuming unreal. Joints probably feel great from the deca eh?
Strength should up on 120kg bench press which is amazing for me . Had a slight injury few weeks back went to heavy to quick so back on it now
 
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Are u trying to move up in weight class that's heavy. Eq at those doses can give anxiety I'd only do a cycle that heavy with a very specific goal in mind
 
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Are u trying to move up in weight class that's heavy. Eq at those doses can give anxiety I'd only do a cycle that heavy with a very specific goal in mind
Yea I get increased heart rate etc lying in bed thinking I can't breath lol .
I wanted put as much mass on as possible then cut for may next year and try and make men's physique but think I'm carrying to much fat and won't cut in time ?
 
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Started at 180 n now 217lbs I have 6 wks left roughly 12-13 wks in

Done
Tri test 750 wk
Deca 600
Eq 600

Before and after pics

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Quotd.

How many cycles have you previously run? damn, I just use test and my results are the same as what you got running all this.

Good results, dont get me wrong, but doesnt convince me it all was needed
 

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