Trestobol cycle questions

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I'm new to this forum although I've been bodybuilding since I was 16. Quick stats are 5'7" 175lbs less than 10% bodyfat (not exactly sure but abs are easily visible and very vascular). I've tried different prohormones in the past such as M1T and Halodrol and obviously without a test base I was shutdown while on cycle. My question is I just started a Trestobol cycle because I was attracted to the fact that it could be used as an oral test base. I started my first day at 20mg and my second day I did 30mg spaced out. I've read that libido and energy should be way up but I'm experiencing shutdown symptoms already?!? I didn't know this was possible after only 2 days of use as that has never happened to me before. Needless to say erectile problems are making themselves known lol. Is my dose too small to replace normal functioning or should I just call the cycle quits now and pct until I get back to normal? I don't want to stop the cycle but if I continue wouldn't the shutdown just get worse throughout the cycle? Any info would be greatly appreciated. The only thing I am taking with this is raloxifen for gyno because I've had flare ups while on M1T and Halodrol cycles so I am sensitive to that. Thank you for your help.
 
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You will not be shut down day 2. Something else is going on
 

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I'm using celtic labs trestobol which i feel is a trusted brand so I wouldn't think its the quality of the stuff I got? Also the first day I used it I had an extreme surge of alpha feeling and libido increase combined with the erection/stamina of a teenager lol I'm 29 years old so I felt like I was a kid again. Day 2 comes a long and the bloat is gone as well as a lot of the alpha feeling. I still feel edgy but not in the good way. And now the ED? What could I possibly be doing wrong? Just really confused.
 
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I'm using celtic labs trestobol which i feel is a trusted brand so I wouldn't think its the quality of the stuff I got? Also the first day I used it I had an extreme surge of alpha feeling and libido increase combined with the erection/stamina of a teenager lol I'm 29 years old so I felt like I was a kid again. Day 2 comes a long and the bloat is gone as well as a lot of the alpha feeling. I still feel edgy but not in the good way. And now the ED? What could I possibly be doing wrong? Just really confused.
Double check your ralox dose. Also, you may not be taking enough to accommodate for shutdown ;)
 

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I'm new to this forum although I've been bodybuilding since I was 16. Quick stats are 5'7" 175lbs less than 10% bodyfat (not exactly sure but abs are easily visible and very vascular). I've tried different prohormones in the past such as M1T and Halodrol and obviously without a test base I was shutdown while on cycle. My question is I just started a Trestobol cycle because I was attracted to the fact that it could be used as an oral test base. I started my first day at 20mg and my second day I did 30mg spaced out. I've read that libido and energy should be way up but I'm experiencing shutdown symptoms already?!? I didn't know this was possible after only 2 days of use as that has never happened to me before. Needless to say erectile problems are making themselves known lol. Is my dose too small to replace normal functioning or should I just call the cycle quits now and pct until I get back to normal? I don't want to stop the cycle but if I continue wouldn't the shutdown just get worse throughout the cycle? Any info would be greatly appreciated. The only thing I am taking with this is raloxifen for gyno because I've had flare ups while on M1T and Halodrol cycles so I am sensitive to that. Thank you for your help.
Your kind of missing a major factor here.

All steroids you take, oral, topical, intramuscular, hell rectal if it works for you. Will cause shutdown, nothing can prevent it, Testosterone you take will shut your natural production down.

Trestolone is significantly more suppressive then most hormones, but it also can perform the same fuctions as testosterone which is why it was being tested as a male contraceptive. Those tests were shown effective as 2mg in an acetate estered subdermal implant, where it maintained the needed anabolic and androgenic functions of testoserone, the needed conversion into estrogen for hormonal balance, as well as rapid supression of the hpta and an ability drastically reduce sperm count.

The problem with oral trestolone is, even though it is estered, that ester doesn't take effect unless it's in an intramuscular depot, passing through the digestive system it is metabolized extremely quick.

Then further more trestolone is extremely quick at being metabolized, in a matter of hours it is out of your system.
 
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Your kind of missing a major factor here.

All steroids you take, oral, topical, intramuscular, hell rectal if it works for you. Will cause shutdown, nothing can prevent it, Testosterone you take will shut your natural production down.

Trestolone is significantly more suppressive then most hormones, but it also can perform the same fuctions as testosterone which is why it was being tested as a male contraceptive. Those tests were shown effective as 2mg in an acetate estered subdermal implant, where it maintained the needed anabolic and androgenic functions of testoserone, the needed conversion into estrogen for hormonal balance, as well as rapid supression of the hpta and an ability drastically reduce sperm count.

The problem with oral trestolone is, even though it is estered, that ester doesn't take effect unless it's in an intramuscular depot, passing through the digestive system it is metabolized extremely quick.

Then further more trestolone is extremely quick at being metabolized, in a matter of hours it is out of your system.
Agreed, however he is not shut down after 2 days. It's just not possible. Those doses are very low also.
 
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You can experience these sides with trest as it's a powerful male contraceptive.

I'd keep using and just get some cialis
 
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The problem with oral trestolone is, even though it is estered, that ester doesn't take effect unless it's in an intramuscular depot, passing through the digestive system it is metabolized extremely quick.

Then further more trestolone is extremely quick at being metabolized, in a matter of hours it is out of your system.
Everything was good until this.

The ester keeps the compound inactive regardless of administration until enzymes (in the blood stream or somewhere in the digestive system) can remove the ester, activating the compound.

How fast its metabolized is not as important as how strongly it binds with/interacts with the ar.
 

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Thank you for all the responses and your help...jbry I thought that it was being tested as a male contraceptive because while being suppressive it kept the body functioning as if testosterone was there? I think the celtic rep hit the nail on the head...00S4Boy are you saying that I'm not getting enough absorption to keep my body functioning without the feeling of being shutdown? Which goes to my next question and i'm not trying to sound stupid but should I just up my dosage then if I'm not getting normal functioning from 30mg a day? Then maybe spread the doses out into as many different doses as possible to try and keep it in the system? What mg would you recommend 00S4Boy? Thanks for all your help guys!
 
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It's being tested as a contraceptive because it shuts you down hard.

30mg should be enough for each day if you were injecting it

Users of oral trest it seems are in the 50-150mg range each day.

Side effects will vary person to person.
 

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Everything was good until this.

The ester keeps the compound inactive regardless of administration until enzymes (in the blood stream or somewhere in the digestive system) can remove the ester, activating the compound.

How fast its metabolized is not as important as how strongly it binds with/interacts with the ar.
I was talking about the the ester in regards to the usual thought of an Acetate ester having a half life of about three days. I was simply trying to clear up that when taken orally the acetate ester doesn't give it an extended half life as it would from an intramuscular depot. Trestolone once in the blood has about a 3-5 hour total lifespan, and absorption rate from the digestive system to the blood is fairly rapid.

I did make a mistake in my wording, I was trying to imply that when taken orally the compound is rapidly absorbed into the blood where it is metabolized very quickly, not like IM where it is more slowly released.

Part of the short life span compared to Testosterone seems to be due to the lack of binding to SHBG, it's in it binds to the AR or it's metabolized, no catching and releasing.

Actually reps4jesus it is possible for rapid shutdown with Trestolone, clinically it has shown to be about 12x as suppressive as Testosterone and that was as therapeutic doses of .5 to 2mg a day from a subdermal implant.

Here is a study showing suppressive lh/fsh levels at those doses, by day 9 there is almost complete suppression, where the OP i taking 10x that dose the effects of shutdown are going to be quicker.

http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/14/9/2200.long

Now as for the situation with the OP he is probably taking his dose, it's giving a slight rush of androgen's then leaving him depleted, at 20-30mg a day your taking a max of 3 doses of 10mg, at a three hour half like that's 9 hours of active life in the body there's another 15 hours in the day. We usually suggest people dose it 50mg orally, we also have transdermal Trestolone that just got released like a week ago, first batch sold out in like 3 days, but more is coming, transdermal application will also spread out the absorption of it giving more stable levels.
 

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I'm thinking I'm going to up it to 50mg and see how i respond. My thought process is this...If it is shown to replace test as a base due to its androgenic activity...obviously it was strong enough to slow my own production of test...since I'm probably not technically "shutdown" this early in the cycle...then apparently I'm not absorbing enough to replace what I need to function...only enough to make my body slow its own production but not replacing the function. Therefore using more and hopefully absorbing more would increase the benefits to a certain point??? Does this logic appear to be sound to you guys? I don't want to make up theory just to justify continuing the cycle because I want to lol but I thought scientifically speaking that is a reasonable conclusion. Do you guys agree? Or do you think if I'm responding this way at this point that increasing the dosage would only make it worse?
 

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OOS4Boy I didn't see your post when I made mine...looks like I am making some sense with this then. I'm taking enough to cause shutdown but leaving my body with a lot of time during the day where nothing is active. So I'm thinking I will try to take more to hit the "sweet spot" and see how it goes.
 

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It's being tested as a contraceptive because it shuts you down hard.

30mg should be enough for each day if you were injecting it

Users of oral trest it seems are in the 50-150mg range each day.

Side effects will vary person to person.

i found 40-50 to be fine orally. when i went up to 60-70 i started to get heartburn, bloating, and lethargy.
 
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i found 40-50 to be fine orally. when i went up to 60-70 i started to get heartburn, bloating, and lethargy.
Were you taking 60-70mg all at once?
 

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I upped it to 50gms today taken 20/20/10...I'm really upset because I was excited for this steroid to work and for me it just isn't. My ED is even worse and to top it off I no longer have the sustained pump feeling I get when I'm on something like halodrol/m1t/superdrol. Literally feel like I'm coming off a poorly planned cycle. Nothing against the company because I will be using them to do a halodrol cycle after I get off this and pct for awhile. I'm sure this works great for some people and I really wanted it to be a test replacement for me but apparently it isn't strong enough to replace the test at least at the dosage I've taken. I notice no bloat, no itchy nipples, nothing! Not complaining about that but it just feels like no hormone levels went up and I know a lot say this causes estrogen to rise.
 
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you cant even feel its effects as a preworkout? Try to up the dosage more .
 
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I upped it to 50gms today taken 20/20/10...I'm really upset because I was excited for this steroid to work and for me it just isn't. My ED is even worse and to top it off I no longer have the sustained pump feeling I get when I'm on something like halodrol/m1t/superdrol. Literally feel like I'm coming off a poorly planned cycle. Nothing against the company because I will be using them to do a halodrol cycle after I get off this and pct for awhile. I'm sure this works great for some people and I really wanted it to be a test replacement for me but apparently it isn't strong enough to replace the test at least at the dosage I've taken. I notice no bloat, no itchy nipples, nothing! Not complaining about that but it just feels like no hormone levels went up and I know a lot say this causes estrogen to rise.
Then go higher. 50 is by no means the limit on this man
 

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I upped it to 50gms today taken 20/20/10...I'm really upset because I was excited for this steroid to work and for me it just isn't. My ED is even worse and to top it off I no longer have the sustained pump feeling I get when I'm on something like halodrol/m1t/superdrol. Literally feel like I'm coming off a poorly planned cycle. Nothing against the company because I will be using them to do a halodrol cycle after I get off this and pct for awhile. I'm sure this works great for some people and I really wanted it to be a test replacement for me but apparently it isn't strong enough to replace the test at least at the dosage I've taken. I notice no bloat, no itchy nipples, nothing! Not complaining about that but it just feels like no hormone levels went up and I know a lot say this causes estrogen to rise.
I'd only really attempt trest only in an oil not oral, maybe transdermal for TRT like effects.

Also if your continually dosing ralox on cycle, it's probably the cause of the ED.
 
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I'd only really attempt trest only in an oil not oral, maybe transdermal for TRT like effects.

Also if your continually dosing ralox on cycle, it's probably the cause of the ED.
Yep, I said to double check ralox dose ^ second post in. He could be crushing estrogen right out of the gate. Out of all the Trestolone logs I've read, I've never seen these complaints. However, in one of the studies I do remember reading that one subject had to drop out due to either libido or erection issues I can't remember which off hand. BUT the author of the study did go onto further hypothesize that he believed it was due to a subdermal implant rupturing leading to compromised dosing.

Either way I'd be willing to bet it's low estrogen.

OP, if you decide not to give up entirely, I would lower your SERM dose unless you start to have estrogenic side effects. I think this could alleviate any issues. As said earlier, I have yet to see this from trestobol or any other trestostolone for that matter.
 

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I only took ralox because everyone said it could aggravate gyno but never did consider it could be cause of Ed. I didn't want to keep upping the dose without consulting with you guys...I'm thinking 80mg a day?? I mean I know how great I felt the first day I want that back again and if I need more to effectively replace testosterone then ill do it..just didn't want to be unsafe or stupid about it
 
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I only took ralox because everyone said it could aggravate gyno but never did consider it could be cause of Ed. I didn't want to keep upping the dose without consulting with you guys...I'm thinking 80mg a day?? I mean I know how great I felt the first day I want that back again and if I need more to effectively replace testosterone then ill do it..just didn't want to be unsafe or stupid about it
It definitely has the potential to give some estrogenic sides. Better safe than sorry for sure BUT I'm willing to bet you took estrogen too low. Personally I would dial back the ralox if not skip a few doses altogether unless you start getting estrogenic sides etc, keep the Trestobol at 50 for a day or two and reassess. Reason being, you don't want to up it too much just in case you are not responding well to it also while you're getting your ralox dose in place you want that be the only variable that's changing so you know which one was the culprit.

Why did you opt for ralox anyways? Seems like you would have done much better with an AI vs a SERM
 

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Serm's on cycle should be a last resort, not preventative measure.

AI's on cycle are for prevention, I prefer exemestane due to it's mild/suicidal nature, vs dex or letro.


He was probably using ralox because he heard it is the best for targeting breast tissue ER's and preventing agonization, but like I said a serm should only be used as a last resort on cycle while attempting to control estro with an AI, probably letro at that point.
 

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After I thought about it more you are correct I should have used an AI instead of a SERM and OOS4Boy you were also correct in that I chose Ralox because I heard it was best for gyno prevention. My fault on my cycle set up I'm usually very researched when I make my decisions and I apparently made a couple mistakes with this cycle but at least I understand more now. You guys have been very helpful and I will stop the Ralox for now and see what happens. I did skip a dose and do feel better that could be the culprit. I've responded so well to most cycles I've done in the past that maybe my expectations were a tad too high with this cycle. I'll see what happens.
 

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It's being tested as a contraceptive because it shuts you down hard. 30mg should be enough for each day if you were injecting it Users of oral trest it seems are in the 50-150mg range each day. Side effects will vary person to person.
I have used Celtic trest at 50 mg for 5 weeks. Pretty stong suppression. It took about 4 weeks of pct to get back on track. No sex drive, erection not lasting, all those nasty sides.
 
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I have used Celtic trest at 50 mg for 5 weeks. Pretty stong suppression. It took about 4 weeks of pct to get back on track. No sex drive, erection not lasting, all those nasty sides.
Did you use hCG?
 

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Clomid in the usual dosage along with other OTC goodies. Off of clomid now but still on the natty stuff.
 
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I have used Celtic trest at 50 mg for 5 weeks. Pretty stong suppression. It took about 4 weeks of pct to get back on track. No sex drive, erection not lasting, all those nasty sides.
Pretty much on par for any steroid... if you take a high enough dose to see results on cycle, the roids are going to shut you down... hell even a low dose that yields little result would shut you down depending. SD always shut me down really hard compared to anything else... no wonder that it was also the strongest designer steroid out there.
 
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1) OP how are you making out? I'm about a week in at 50mg a day (10mg every 3 hours or so) and already feel the effects of this stuff- pump in the gym and estrogen starting to rise. Like everyone else said drop the Serm and see WhT happens! It's to soon to get so discouraged! If things don't shape up after dropping it then re asses and consider changing something else

2) what would the transdermal test dosage be compared to oral? I have two bottles of trest and planned on getting a 3rd soon to finish my cycle, but perhaps it would be worthwhile switching to transdermal? Even running it'd low as a baseline every day then taking another 20 mg orally pwo?
 

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Transdermal trest, according to all the logs, is about 30ish mg td is equivalent to 50-60mg orally. Pure bro science, but that dose seems to crop up often.
 

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TD has also a higher absorption then oral.
 
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Transdermal trest, according to all the logs, is about 30ish mg td is equivalent to 50-60mg orally. Pure bro science, but that dose seems to crop up often.
Trestoderm is dosed at 50mg/ml, so people will definitely be feeling it. Even the log I ran before (2 years ago?) with transdermal trest, only 33mg per day was pretty awesome libido/energy/recomp wise.
 

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Trestoderm is dosed at 50mg/ml, so people will definitely be feeling it. Even the log I ran before (2 years ago?) with transdermal trest, only 33mg per day was pretty awesome libido/energy/recomp wise.
Yup, looks awesome. Be a while till it reaches me in the UK though. Booooooooooooo
 

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After the initial two days of no libido and ED, which I now think the Ralox was responsible for, I stopped the cycle because I need to be able to uh perform this weekend lol. I feel normal again so obviously I wasn't actually totally shutdown or I wouldn't feel normal just a few days after. I am going to restart the cycle at 50mg on Monday so I will post my results next week and let everyone know how I'm doing.
 
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I think it sounds more like your estrogen is WAY too low. I didn't even start taking an AI with oral trest until I got above 70mg/day and I'm very estro sensitive as I still have prepubertal gyno that flares up when it starts getting too high. Even up to 150mg/day I wasn't using anymore than 2 pumps of formeron a day. I would also suggest spacing your dosing to every 2-3 hours when getting up to 50mg/day.
 

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After taking a week off of the trestobol just to make sure I could perform for the weekend (had a date lined up) I started it again today and this time with no Ralox unless I notice any sides. So far i'm feeling strong again with a nice pump. Let's see how it goes this time around. Going to do 50mgs. Also quick question for anyone who has taken it...did any of you notice any hairloss side effects? I do realize its possible since its highly androgenic I also read reports where people said the side effects were way better than tren so just wondered. I'll keep you guys posted.
 

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After taking a week off of the trestobol just to make sure I could perform for the weekend (had a date lined up) I started it again today and this time with no Ralox unless I notice any sides. So far i'm feeling strong again with a nice pump. Let's see how it goes this time around. Going to do 50mgs. Also quick question for anyone who has taken it...did any of you notice any hairloss side effects? I do realize its possible since its highly androgenic I also read reports where people said the side effects were way better than tren so just wondered. I'll keep you guys posted.
Did you miss the whole use an AI not a serm.
 

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I have letro on hand now as well but wouldn't that lower overall estrogen thereby making me possibly have the low estrogen side effects? I can start taking it if you think it would be best.
 

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I have letro on hand now as well but wouldn't that lower overall estrogen thereby making me possibly have the low estrogen side effects? I can start taking it if you think it would be best.
No exemestane is best for controlling aromatase.
 

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Has anyone seen excessive hairloss with this cycle? Just curious from those who have used it.
 
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Has anyone seen excessive hairloss with this cycle? Just curious from those who have used it.
I've been combing through threads like crazy dude. I have yet to see any significant shedding events with Trestobol and my hobby is following Trestolone logs.
 

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Ok thanks Spaniard I appreciate the feedback. Update on myself...I've been doing 50mgs the past two days and just started to notice some nipple sensitivity...I have Arimidex on hand so not a problem but I consider this good because I didn't notice this before when I was taking the Ralox and I also don't have that shut down feeling which leads me to believe that was the source of my problem. I'll keep you guys posted.
 
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Ok thanks Spaniard I appreciate the feedback. Update on myself...I've been doing 50mgs the past two days and just started to notice some nipple sensitivity...I have Arimidex on hand so not a problem but I consider this good because I didn't notice this before when I was taking the Ralox and I also don't have that shut down feeling which leads me to believe that was the source of my problem. I'll keep you guys posted.
Sounds good. I actually run a low dose of raloxifene with exemestane... I have some gyno from puberty and it's pretty easily exacerbated.
 
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Sounds good. I actually run a low dose of raloxifene with exemestane... I have some gyno from puberty and it's pretty easily exacerbated.
Ohhhhhh no! Please don't get him started on the ralox again dude lol
 

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