Naringenin/Piperine/ boost SERM half-life?

Silverwolf

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I've been fascinated by bioperine (black pepper extract aka piperine) lately and it's ability to improve half-life, absorption, and effectiveness of many supplements I take. How this works is similar to naringenin, the anti-oxidant found in grapefruit, it inhibits CYP3A4 and other cytochrome P450 enzymes. These enzymes are often important for drug metabolism.

Looking into Nolvadex I read that, "It is metabolized in the liver by the cytochrome P450 isoform CYP2D6 and CYP3A4 into active metabolites such as 4-hydroxytamoxifen and N-desmethyl-4-hydroxytamoxifen (endoxifen)[23] which have 30-100 times more affinity with the estrogen receptor than tamoxifen itself. These active metabolites compete with estrogen in the body for binding to the estrogen receptor."

Bottom line, I believe that these supplements could improve the bio-availability of Nolvadex and other substances essentially requiring less to get the same desired effect

Application - To what extent, I'm uncertain, it could be DANGEROUS to mess around with something that we aren't clear as to how far it would affect us but CYP3A4 inhibitors have a much much broader potential for use than I once thought. Again I don't want anyone to kill themselves by a freak drug interaction.

Search "RPM on cycle??" and more importantly "Naringenin and some of its useful pharmakinetics"
I found something similar on these threads ^ but I need 20 posts to link :(

Of course this is all theory and I really don't know much about the human body. It's all very interesting to me, what do you guys think?
 
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Say more science stuff.... lol

being serious, interesting.
 
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Not a lot of companies use naringenin. They use naringin

I have some capped naringenin at my office. I dabble with it every now and then.

I use it for GDA

However. Need to look at % inhibition
 
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Good call on naringin. I'd like to find out the % of inhibition as well. Is piperine more effective than naringin? Factoring cost too
 
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Just eat grapefruit.

Though it doesn't help enough to notice.
 

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I have no idea about the topic at hand, but I take naringin daily to level out hematocrit levels and it works very well for that.
 
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A better question is why do you need to improve a serm half life?
So that you wouldn't need to take as much or to enable dosing to be farther apart. If you're running a cycle you should be fully capable of paying for a good pct....but I mean, wouldn't it be more economic?
 
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It isn't going to help that much, you'll still need to follow regular dosing schemes.

Sides will be more noticeable
 
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So that you wouldn't need to take as much or to enable dosing to be farther apart. If you're running a cycle you should be fully capable of paying for a good pct....but I mean, wouldn't it be more economic?
Unless you get free naringenin, probably not.
 
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Won't bioperine have a similar effect? I buy it in bulk.. Haha sadly I'm not capable of running any experiments, I wouldn't even test on my hormones when I already don't know how my body would react to a SERM :x and JBRYAND101B already said it could increase sides
 

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