any real difference between cyp and e?

  1. any real difference between cyp and e?

    for anyone who has used both or has any info on the differences, if any, there are?

    several people have told me that cyp will bloat much more than test e. any truth to this? i have access to both and jsut wanted to know what you all thought. someone went as far as to tell me that with a cyp/drol cycle you will blow up but just shrink back down after the cycle and that with enan it would be a much better cycle and the e would lean you out?

    everything i have read has told me they are practically the same exact thing.

    i finally decided on my first inject cycle:

    weeks 1-14 600mg test e or cyp (depending on what you all say)

    weeks 1-13 450mg EQ

    weeks 1-4 or 1-6 30mg dbol

    swale protocol for hcg, nolva 60/40/40/40/20/20, clomid 100 throughout pct.

  2. From what I understand, the enan and cyp have pretty much the same structure. The cyp was developed for the U.S., while the enan was developed elsewhere (from what I've read). People that I have talked to, that have used both, said they could not tell any difference between the two.

  3. that makes sense. thx

  4. Here's a read on Test Enan:

    One of the many testosterone substances available today is the testosterone enanthate. Testosterone enanthate is an oil based injectable steroid, designed to release testosterone slowly from the injection site (depot). Once administered, serum concentrations of this hormone will rise for several days, and remain markedly elevated for approximately two weeks. It may actually take three weeks for the action of this drug to fully diminish. For medical purposes this is the most widely prescribed testosterone. In men it is normally used to treat hypogonadism resulting from androgen deficiency and anemia.

    Testosterone enanthate is the European answer to Testosterone cypionate which is predominantly available in the U.S. Testosterone enanthate, as most trade names already suggest, is a long-acting depot steroid. Depending on the metabolism and the body's initial hormone level it’s duration is two to three weeks so that theoretically very long intervals between injections are possible. Although Testosterone enanthate is effective for several weeks, it is injected at least once a week in body-building, powerlifting, and weightlifting. This, by all means, makes sense since Testosterone enanthate has a plasma half-life time in the blood of only slightly longer than one week.

    The decisive advantage of Testosterone enanthate, however, is that this substance has a very strong androgenic effect and is coupled with an intense anabolic component. This allows almost everyone, within a short time, to build up a lot of strength and mass. The rapid and strong weight gain is combined with a distinct retention of electrolytes and water. A pleasant effect is that the enormous strength gain goes hand in hand with the water retention. Weightlifters and powerlifters, especially in the higher weight classes, appreciate this characteristic. In this group, Testosterone enanthate, Testosterone cypionate, and Sustanon are the number one steroids; this is also clearly reflected in the dosages. Dosages of 500 mg, 1000 mg or even 2000 mg PER DAY, not per week, are no rarity. Sports disciplines requiring a high degree of raw power, aggressiveness, and stamina offer an excellent application for Depot-Testosterone. The distinct water retention has also other advantages. Those who have problems with their joints, shoulder cartilages or whose intervertebral disks, due to years of heavy training, show the first signs of wear, can get temporary relief by taking testosterone.

    An additional problem when taking Testosterone enanthate is that the conversion rate to estrogen is very high. This, on one hand, leads the body to store more fat; on the other hand, feminization symptoms (gynecomastia) are not unusual. However, it must be clearly stated that this depends on the athlete's predisposition. There are athletes who show no feminization symptoms or fat deposits and who suffer very low water retention even with 1000 mg +/week. Others, however, develop pain in their nipples at even the lowest dose. The use of Nolvadex and Proviron should be considered at a dosage level of 500 mg+ /week. Testosterone enanthate also strongly promotes the regeneration process. This leads to distinctly shorter overcompensation phases, an increased feeling of well-being, and a distinct energy increase. This is also the reason why several athletes are able to work out twice daily for several hours six times a week and continue to build up mass and strength. Athletes who take Testosterone enanthate report an excessively strong pump effect during training. This "steroid pump" is attributed to an increased blood volume with a higher oxygen supply and a higher quantity of red blood cells. Those who take megadoses of Testosterone enanthate will already feel an enormous pump in their upper thighs and calves when climbing stairs.

    For adding mass Testosterone enanthate combines very well with Anadrol 50, Dianabol and Deca-Durabolin. As an example, a stack of 100 mg Anadrol 50/day, 200 mgs Deca-Durabolin/ week, and 500 mgs Testosterone enanthate/week works well. After six weeks of intake the Anadrol 50, for example, could be replaced by 40 mg Dianabol/day. Principally, Testosterone enanthate can be combined with any steroid in order to gain mass. Apparently a synergetic effect between the androgen, Testosterone enanthate, and the anabolic steroids occurs which results in their bonding witli several receptors.Those who draw too much water with Testosterone enanthate and Dianabol or Anadrol, or who are more interested in strength without gaining 20 pounds of body weight should take Testosterone enanthate together with Oxandrolone and Trenl. The generally taken dose-as already mentioned-varies from 250 mg/ week up to 2000 mg/day. In our opinion the most sensible dosage for most athletes is between 250-1000 mg/week. Normally a higher dosage should not be necessary When taking up to 500 mg/week the dosage is normally taken all at once, thus 2 ml of solution are injected. A higher dosage should be divided into two injections per week. The quantity of the dose should be determined by the athlete's developmental stage, his goals, and the quantity of his previous steroid intake. The so called beach- and disco bodybuilders do not need 1000 mg of Testosterone enanthate/week. Our experience is that the Testosterone enanthate dosage for many, above all, depends on their financial resources.

    The side effects of Testosterone enanthate are mostly the distinct androgenic effect and the increased water retention. This is usually the reason for the frequent occurrence of hypertony. Those who have a predisposition for high blood pressure or whose blood pressure is elevated when they begin taking Testosterone enanthate should have it periodically checked by a physician. If necessary the intake of an antihypertensive drug such as Catapresan is advisable. Many athletes experience a strong acne with Testosterone enanthate which manifests itself on the back, chest, shoulders, and arms more than on the face. Athletes who take large quantities of Testo can often be easily recognized because of these characteristics. It is interesting to note that in some athletes these characteristics only occur after use of the compound has been discontinued, which implies a rebound effect. Sexual overstimulation with frequent erections at the beginning of intake is normal. In young athletes, "in addition to virilization,testosterone can also lead to an accelerated growth and bone maturation, to a premature epiphysial closing of the growth plates and thus a lower height" (Jenapharm GmbH, package insert for Testosteron-Depot).'

    Other possible side effects are testicular atrophy, reduced spermatogenesis, and especially an increased aggressiveness. Those who transfer this aggressiveness to their training and not their environment do not have to worry. Unfortunately this is not the case in some athletes who take Testosterone enanthate. Testoster-one and Finaject are both primary reasons for some eruptions. In particular, high doses are in part responsible for anti-social behavior among its users. One can talk here of a sort of "superman syndrome" that occurs in some users. Although Testosterone enanthate is broken down through the liver, this compound is only slightly toxic when taken in a reasonable dose; therefore, changes of the liver values do not occur as often as with the oral 17-alpha alkylated steroids. Further potential side effects can be deep voice and accelerated hair loss.

  5. Here's a read on Test Cyp:

    American athletes have a long, fond relationship with Testosterone cypionate. While Testosterone enanthate is manufactured widely throughout the world, Testosterone cypionate seems to be predominantly an American item. It is therefore not surprising that American athletes particularly favor this Testosterone ester. But many claim this is not just a matter of simple pride, often swearing Testosterone cypionate to be a superior product, providing a bit more of a “kick? than Testosterone enanthate. At the same time it is said to produce a slightly higher level of water retention, but not enough for it to be easily discerned, of course when we look at the situation objectively, we see these two steroids are really interchangeable, and Testosterone cypionate is not at all superior. Both Testosterone products are long acting oil-based injectables, which will keep Testosterone levels sufficiently elevated for approximately two weeks. Testosterone enanthate may be slightly better in terms of Testosterone release, as this ester is one carbon atom lighter than Testosterone cypionate. The difference is so insignificant however that no one can rightly claim it to be noticeable.

    Testosterone is the prime male androgen in the body, and as such still the best possible mass builder in the world. It has a high risk of side-effects because it readily converts to a more androgenic form (DHT) in androgen responsive tissues and forms estrogen quite easily. But these characteristics also provide it with its extreme anabolic tendencies. On the one hand estrogen increases growth hormone output, glucose utilization, improves immunity and upgrades the androgen receptor, while on the other hand a testosterone/DHT combination is extremely potent at activating the androgen receptor and eliciting major strength and size gains. While not always the most visually appealing result, there is no steroid on earth that packs on mass like testosterone does.

    Testosterone Cypionate is a single-ester, long-acting form of testosterone. Due to the length of its ester (8 carbons) it is stored mostly in the adipose tissue upon intra-musuclar injection, and then slowly but very steadily released over a certain period of time. A peak is noted after 24-48 hours of injection and then a slow decline, reaching a steady point after 12 days and staying there for over 3 weeks time. Users will not find adequate benefit in the use of this steady-point dose, so this product is normally injected once a week, making the very lowest dose higher than half the peak dose at any given time.

    Testosterone cypionate can be combined with many steroids and thus making it an excellent mass steroid. As with enanthate the dosage range is 250-1000 mg/week.

    It is also important to remember that the use of an injectable Testosterone will quickly suppress endogenous Testosterone production. It may therefore be good advice to use a Testosterone stimulating drug like HCG and/or Clomid/Nolvadex at the conclusion of a cycle. This should help the user avoid a strong Testosterone “crash? due to hormonal imbalance, which can strip away much of the new muscle mass and strength.

    Side effects with this product are the same as with any other testosterone (ie. Water retention and related hypertension, male pattern baldness, acne, etc)

  6. you won't notice a difference .. they are one molecule different in length .. whoever told you that cyp/drol will bloat you up then you'll shrink right back down is either a) a moron or b) doesn't have a good diet and has bad PCT regiment ... in either case ignore him from now on

  7. There is some differences between the estes. however these are paticular to the person so if there is really no way to say one is better then the other.

  8. great info all, appriciate it

  9. Test En or any test makes you antisocial?

  10. With the information and compounds available today, bloat should be non existent.

  11. Upjohn test cypionate is the best.

  12. I have used both. There really isnt a distinguishable difference between the two as far as the effect they produced in my experiences.

  13. great information

  14. Other than just a tiny amount more of test in Test E than Test C, no difference.

  15. Different peoples' bodies are different, so most people react different to different esters. Also, there are so many synthesizing labs, one cycle of test500 could really be anwhere from 250-1000, unless it's QV and you check the hologram and number on their website. From personal use, Cyp worked a lot better than enan, but I think the only difference you'll get out of research is one's made in the US and one's made in other countries, which is weird since my Cyp came from Spain. My friend and I both gained more weight and he bloated up more, unlike the Ent. With Cyp, I also got a lot more aggressive and got random urges for my muscles to do vigorous work, but whether that's positive or negative depends on the person. There's my 2¢ tho.

  16. the lab my test is coming from is a lab known for having overdosed gear, its a UG lab. trusted source with many satisfied guys.


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