Best Pro Hormone For Recomp

[rascal14]

What is the best prohormone for a recomp right before I start a cut? I just finished my first bulk and want to add a little more size but not much body fat or possibly lose body fat while doing so to start my cut off. I was thinking of trying Trenavar or Tren Stane but haven't been able to find much about it, is there something better for what I am wanting? I don't want much sides and I would enjoy something that gave me a little aggression. Also, I would like to use one with the smallest chance of gyno too. This will be my first cycle.

 

[Driven2lift]

I wouldn't run Tren as your first cycle, I would look into a good Epistane such as

http://www.orbitnutrition.com/cart/ironflex-supplements-brawn.html

 

[stann123]

Epi or h drol

 

[CLEEPER]

I wouldn't run Tren as your first cycle,

Is there other pct to take or is this all you need?

 

[Driven2lift]

For Tren or for Epi?

There should always be a PCT regardless.

 

[reps4jesus]

I would do the tren stane honestly. If you have somthing to control prolactin and a solid pct consisting of nolva 20/20/10/10. I normally recommend epi as a first cycle but tren is low dosed in tren stane and you could run it 40/40/40/40/40/40. YOud get the aggression you want I'll prob take some criticism for not rec epi or hdrol but 40 mg won't kill you as long as you take proper precautions.

 

[Driven2lift]

I would feel safer not using multiple compounds on the first run. He has never tried either solo to know how its handled.

 

[rascal14]

If I decide to do either one by themselves, which would work better for what I am wanting, and how much worse are sides on Trenavar? And would Nolva be right for Post Cycle Therapy? I read one of them does more harm than good with Trenavar. I thought 90 was the starting point for it as well, and what is the best thing to control Prolactin?

 

[Driven2lift]

Sounds like you have a lot of research to do brother.

I still suggest Epi over Tren for your first cycle. Tren is much harsher. Epi will give great results assuming proper diet/training.

Nolva would be fine for Epi.

If you are set on Tren maybe others will chime in for you

 

[fueledpassion]

Eh, from an objective standpoint, Trenbolone is about as good as it gets for effectiveness. You didnt ask which is better overall or which is worth the sides. You just asked which does it best.

I speculate the DMZ at moderate doses might also be an excellent option.

If u can deal with the low libido/ED, high blood pressure, night sweats and crappy cholesterol levels...sure, Tren or anything the mimics it is a go. Otherwise, DMZ, Epi or Hdrol should do. Pretty much any dry methyl will do.

 

[rascal14]

I've read a few things saying the sides aren't as bad as they are made out to be on Trenavar, so I was just trying to see more input on it.

 

[fueledpassion]

I've read a few things saying the sides aren't as bad as they are made out to be on Trenavar, so I was just trying to see more input on it.

Everyone is different with sides.

 

[g0hardorgohom]

I'd also recommend to go with Epi. Plenty of good clones out there 2 bottles of 90x10mg or 1 bottle of 120x15mg is what you need.

 

[bomb]

still havent found my ultimate cutting stack (

i need something to stack with 8 weeks hdrol or 8 weeks epi ...
tren/furuza/11keto/trest there is too much lol

it would be my second cycle btw

 

[reps4jesus]

still havent found my ultimate cutting stack (

i need something to stack with 8 weeks hdrol or 8 weeks epi ...
tren/furuza/11keto/trest there is too much lol

it would be my second cycle btw

Tren/furuza IMO. They'd both be great on a cut/recomp.

 

[bomb]

i would prefer to have a base like hdrol or at least epi.

tren scares me a bit considering libido loss , prolactin gyno , lethargy ( I experienced slight lethargy in week 6 hdrol at 75mg)

 

[reps4jesus]

i would prefer to have a base like hdrol or at least epi.

tren scares me a bit considering libido loss , prolactin gyno , lethargy ( I experienced slight lethargy in week 6 hdrol at 75mg)

Well yeah of course. Stack either tren/furaza with epi. That's be a good cutting stack. If your scared of sides you could run it at 60/60/60/60/60/60. With epi 40/40/40/40/40/50 Orrrrr I just picked up 4 bottles of ironflex trenstane. Which has 10mg of tren an 10mg of epi, so I'm low dosing tren (about 40-60mg Ed) but it should help. Just run something for prolactin and use a serm in pct. or furaza 300/300/300/300/300/300 but that's to expensive for me.

 

[fueledpassion]

i would prefer to have a base like hdrol or at least epi.

tren scares me a bit considering libido loss , prolactin gyno , lethargy ( I experienced slight lethargy in week 6 hdrol at 75mg)

Lethargy isnt bad if at all on non-methyls. Nit shrinkage and libido usually is on the Nor's though.

Prolactin gyno is a myth. A misunderstanding. Control estrogen and it is impossible for prolactin to give u gyno issues.

Elevated prolactin CAN disturb sleep patterns pretty dramatically though and kill sex drivel. Inhibit-P does a decent job in keeping prolactin low if that is ur concern.

Pretty much anything that releases dopamine or upregulates its production will do the trick.

 

[rascal14]

I probably will go with Epistane since I don't want to try two new things at once. Does anyone have a suggestion on calories for a recomp? Slightly over or below maintenance?

 

[rascal14]

I would really like to add muscle mass and lose body fat with the cycle I choose to do.

 

[bomb]

luckily i saved some 6 bromo from my last cycle . would that be enough for estro/prolactine control or would arimacare be better ?

so basically id do hdrol ( because they have hella on sale in the uk ;D ) 8 weeks and tren 6-8 (??) weeks.

pct serm for sure

 

[fueledpassion]

I probably will go with Epistane since I don't want to try two new things at once. Does anyone have a suggestion on calories for a recomp? Slightly over or below maintenance?

Start at ur maintenance level. To have a recomp, you'll have the eat in a fashion that channels more nutrients to the muscle while utilizing fat for energy to build said muscles.

Train fasted with only BCAA's and do fairly long bouts of cardio either post weight training or in a fasted state.

 

[bomb]

what about epi/trest/tren stacked?

 

[fueledpassion]

what about epi/trest/tren stacked?

Ur in the UK. Isnt AAS legal over there for personal use?

 

[bomb]

Ur in the UK. Isnt AAS legal over there for personal use?

im from austria , i can only order from uk and yes these products are available legally i guess hehe

 

[fueledpassion]

im from austria , i can only order from uk and yes these products are available legally i guess hehe

Then just get Test-E and Mast-E and be done with it. These orals are harsher on ur liver and especially on cholesterol profiles. The original AAS is considerably healthier.

The only reason we (Americans) use Epi and Trendione is because the good AAS stuff is banned from any use outside a prescription. Basically, our laws are hypocritical and bass ackwards.

 

[bomb]

Then just get Test-E and Mast-E and be done with it. These orals are harsher on ur liver and especially on cholesterol profiles. The original AAS is considerably healthier.

The only reason we (Americans) use Epi and Trendione is because the good AAS stuff is banned from any use outside a prescription. Basically, our laws are hypocritical and bass ackwards.

no
sorry i do not have access to injectables but hdrol was not that harsh on my liver and i was 10 (!) weeks on (problems with tamox retailer - tapered off of course 7weeks 75mg + 3 unplanned weeks with 50/25/25 )
liver values only slightly elevated - nothing to
worry about!!

do you know the difference betweem arimistane (AR1MACARE PRO) and formestane (formeron)
i think ill just go
with epi / trest

 

[fueledpassion]

no
sorry i do not have access to injectables but hdrol was not that harsh on my liver and i was 10 (!) weeks on (problems with tamox retailer - tapered off of course 7weeks 75mg + 3 unplanned weeks with 50/25/25 )
liver values only slightly elevated - nothing to
worry about!!

do you know the difference betweem arimistane (AR1MACARE PRO) and formestane (formeron)
i think ill just go
with epi / trest

I dont know about AR1MACARE. Just Form.

 

[muzza12]

I ran tren and stano libido was great unlill pct (nolva) then it droped off untill the end of pct then came back. No sides with gyno or prolactin. Epi will be a good recomp still with a good diet.

 

[rascal14]

From what I have found so far I was thinking of doing Epistane at 30/30/45/45/45/45 with maybe Stano at 800/800/800/800/1000/1000. I am not sure yet but if I can find it I was going to do Nolvaldex at 40/20/20/10. For during the cycle I was going to use Arimacare Pro at 4/4/4/4/4/4 and after the cycle Super PCT at 4/4/3/3/2/1. I will not order anything until I get Nolvaldex and I am not one hundred percent sure on the Stano yet. Would I need to add anything to during or after the cycle or does that cover everything? Would I need a Testosterone base during or after? I was going to use Erase for after the cycle but decided to use Super PCT instead.

 

[g0hardorgohom]

From what I have found so far I was thinking of doing Epistane at 30/30/45/45/45/45 with maybe Stano at 800/800/800/800/1000/1000. I am not sure yet but if I can find it I was going to do Nolvaldex at 40/20/20/10. For during the cycle I was going to use Arimacare Pro at 4/4/4/4/4/4 and after the cycle Super PCT at 4/4/3/3/2/1. I will not order anything until I get Nolvaldex and I am not one hundred percent sure on the Stano yet. Would I need to add anything to during or after the cycle or does that cover everything? Would I need a Testosterone base during or after? I was going to use Erase for after the cycle but decided to use Super PCT instead.

Only thing I'd tweak is Nolva... 20/20/10/10 is enough.

No need for test base because Stano works like a "test base".

You're good to go!

 

[rascal14]

I read that Epistane and Stano aren't good to take together because it is too much DHT? I have also seen really good things about Trestolone but am not sure if it would easily replace the Stano in the cycle I was planning. Would I need a better Aromatase Inhibitor if I decided to do that?

 

[g0hardorgohom]

I read that Epistane and Stano aren't good to take together because it is too much DHT? I have also seen really good things about Trestolone but am not sure if it would easily replace the Stano in the cycle I was planning. Would I need a better Aromatase Inhibitor if I decided to do that?

Epi and Stano together are just fine.

Of course Trest would give more gains and do better job combatting lethargy and libido loss.

I always recommend to have a good AI on hand just in case. For example Formeron. If you don't need it, you could save it for your next cycle.

 

[chrys]

Hello bro! Very interesting old thread. I am thinking of doing a similar epi cycle beginning next year with same target (recomp). Did you make your circle finally? Have you logged it? It would be great if you could share some of your experience. A final question, did you use any AI for E2 rebound? Thanks!!

 

[NattyBoy]

Hello bro! Very interesting old thread. I am thinking of doing a similar epi cycle beginning next year with same target (recomp). Did you make your circle finally? Have you logged it? It would be great if you could share some of your experience. A final question, did you use any AI for E2 rebound? Thanks!!

If you're planning on running epistane it would be a good choice to have some aromasin on hand

 

[chrys]

I have nolva for pct. Should it do the same job? or aromasin must be used on top of nolva?

 

[NattyBoy]

I have nolva for pct. Should it do the same job? or aromasin must be used on top of nolva?

You wont need to use the aromasin unless you start getting rebound. If you want, you could run the aromasin past the serm

 

[anab0lix]

From my experience it's best to start the AI 1 week before your SERM ends and run it for another week then tapering down E3D for the 3rd week.

 

[NattyBoy]

From my experience it's best to start the AI 1 week before your SERM ends and run it for another week then tapering down E3D for the 3rd week.

I ran my ai starting from the third week and ran two weeks past the serm, but my **** was either bunk or underdosed so avoid bluesky, idgaf if that was against rules...selling bunk pct products is ****ed up

 

[BamBam0319]

Lol strong 8 month bump

 

[bert45]

What is the best prohormone for a recomp right before I start a cut? I just finished my first bulk and want to add a little more size but not much body fat or possibly lose body fat while doing so to start my cut off. I was thinking of trying Trenavar or Tren Stane but haven't been able to find much about it, is there something better for what I am wanting? I don't want much sides and I would enjoy something that gave me a little aggression. Also, I would like to use one with the smallest chance of gyno too. This will be my first cycle.

Epiandro/1dhea/Radar1ne

 

[rascal14]

Why is one of my first threads still being posted in ?

 

[bert45]

Why is one of my first threads still being posted in 

bcuz we are the bump thread gang :shhh: