I have 157 caps of 1,4andro and want to know the best way to put this to use.
I plan on running it solo but any stacking advice is appreciated as well.
I plan on running it solo but any stacking advice is appreciated as well.
Cutting or bulking?I have 157 caps of 1,4andro and want to know the best way to put this to use.
I plan on running it solo but any stacking advice is appreciated as well.
Just looking for some lean mass, not a massive bulk. It's almost impossible for me to cut at 4.8%.Cutting or bulking?
Cutting u need 3 caps ED, bulking 5.
i would do a stack with m4ohn in the first case or SD in the second.
Yes my pal has those PHs stocked up. Not too sure about using the same PH 2 cycles in a row tho. So maybe M5AA, MoHn or mdht.I would recommend stacking it with something else. Do you have other PH's stocked up? If so, what ones? 4-AD, and 1-test would suit 1,4 well. If not, get some test.
I definitely agree with this suggestionI think a stack of 1-test, 1, 4 and MOHN would be very good to the LBM gainer.
There might be some truth to that due to RBA and things like that but if you're taking enough time off in between cycles and you're fully recovered then there really isn't any concern. It's the guys that don't stay "off" long enough and jump back on a cycle to quickly that will have complications with fewer or rather smaller gains. And the way to remedy this if it infact is even an issue is to use other drugs that will target other receptors moreso than the one(s) previously used.I've heard it's not good to run the same compound 2 consecutive cycles is that true?
Dione from 1fast. I thought it converted to more bolde than diol. :frustrateIs it 1,4 dione or diol?? The dione only converts @ around 8-10%, and it also slightly converts to estrogen before converting to boldenone, so you lose alittle more there. The diol converts at 15-16% and doesn't convert to estrogen.
No winner, yeah, crowd still divideddepends on how you react to ph. I dont get much from mild ph like m4ohn. I heard longer cycles are best with 1,4. I ran 4wks at 1200mg didnt notice much so ran 1500 for last week. not impressed. I alternate ph cycles also. Its been debated as to which is better diol or dione. I dont think there was a winner.
It looks good to me. But m4ohn is so slow kicking in that u may want to run it for at least 4 weeks.How about:
Weeks 1-2 M5aa(to jumpstart stength gains before the anabolic kicks in) and 1,4andro
Weeks 3-6 1,4andro and MOHN
Does this look good as a cycle in terms of lean mass and strength gains?
Bill L., the guy who brought this PH to market, definitely thought the dione was much better than the diol with this particular PH.No diol def converts higher,
I would recommend stacking it with 1-test or superdrol at that kind of dose because you probably won't notice much of an effect with it alone. You may see some hardening effects with little weight gain and some strenght if you use it with dht & mohn.
The recomended dosage alone is up to 1200mg/ed for 5-8 weeks, in a stack 800mg/ed should be good I think.
thats the same guy who is making an arachidonic acid product...Bill L., the guy who brought this PH to market, definitely thought the dione was much better than the diol with this particular PH.
I know, Bill said that to me on another forum aswell, but he never stated why. He just said that he felt that the dione was better and the diol was not worth marketing. The conversion is higher with the diol and maybe people don't think that they gain as much with it because it might be drier than the dione because of the lack of estro conversion. I don't know, I asked him for a specific reason and he never gave one. It could just be because he was trying to market his product.Bill L., the guy who brought this PH to market, definitely thought the dione was much better than the diol with this particular PH.
I like the idea of including 1-test. I am also pondering using SD and 1,4. I think Syr had a thread on that.I do not disagree with the purported differences between the diol and dione versions, only in the apparent conclusion that the diol version is better. Most of the 'it didn't do much' feedback I've seen is from the diol, whereas it seems the dione has more positive feedback. That is not conclusive by any means, just my observation.
Regardless, you need at least 600mg for at least 40 days/6 weeks to really attempt to get benefit from this product. You have enough to do that; stack it with some 1-Test for a good lean cycle.
...wonder how it feels to be 4.8%Just looking for some lean mass, not a massive bulk. It's almost impossible for me to cut at 4.8%.
"It feels pretty good," replied handzilla as he finished off yet another lunch consisting of a cheesteak and french fries for the 2nd day this week.hmmm... offtopic but I thought I would mention how jealous I am...:rant:
...wonder how it feels to be 4.8%
- COTC
I can extrapolate a few things from my experience with 1,4add so far.I like the idea of including 1-test. I am also pondering using SD and 1,4. I think Syr had a thread on that.
Because SD does not stimulate appetite. I cant say about the gains, at least not after 1 week since i stop SD. I mean, people reported SD effects to stop one week after its discontinued. So, if i'm experiencing further gains on week5 of my cycle that is very likely to be due to 1,4. Besides this, i'm taking a shitload of ancillary stuff, its very hard to tell exactly what is causing what, but I think to know my body pretty well (very well for a novice juicer).If you're taking them simultaneously, how can you decide what the SD is doing for you versus what the 1,4ad is doing?
Thanks for the suggestion, shoot'. I'm not too worried about estro effects and 4-HT is expensive. I'm still tryna decide on what I wanna run though:I'll also throw this out into the mix...
Another option besides 1,4-Andro + 1-Test for a stack would be to use 4-HT with the 1,4-Andro.
Something like:
1,4-Andro 900mg
4-HT 600mg
Or some combo of stepping up, etc.
That could be a nice cutter/lean mass stack with the 4-HT also acting to counter and alleviate any estrogen concerns. Just a thought...
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