What is bridging? How do you bridge between cycles?

[Universal23]

I'm on oral turinabol only coming up 8 wks now at 40mg a day..I just got my test and 8 wks worth of var today. I'm wondering how to transition onto my next cycle without pct? Will tapering down to 10mg of turinabol for 4 weeks along with cycle/liver support be enough rest before jumping on var at reasonable dosages? How soon before you have run orals between cycles?

I've been using TUDCA, Liv 52, Cycle assist, NAC for my liver throughout tbol

I do have pct on hand (hcg, clomid, nolva, aromasin)

 

[Mystere3]

Easiest way would be to start the test on your last week of tbol then run the var after a month or so.

 

[Universal23]

True thanks

 

[warbird01]

I personally wouldn't run 16 weeks of orals, even if var is pretty mild. IMO you should take a break, run a natty supp like X Factor in between then run var.

 

[Universal23]

Yeah I've decided to just taper the tbol down to 10mg a day and while starting the test then run the var at the end of the 8th wk of test.

 

[warbird01]

Yeah I've decided to just taper the tbol down to 10mg a day and while starting the test then run the var at the end of the 8th wk of test.

What's the point of tapering?

 

[Number 10]

Yeah I've decided to just taper the tbol down to 10mg a day and while starting the test then run the var at the end of the 8th wk of test.

Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. You'll have suppressed natural levels, and then are lowering something with a 12 hour half life to 70mg per week. You'll get no natural production back but won't have enough steroid in your system to keep maintain anything from the first part of your cycle. I'd have thought you'd feel like **** for this period too.

What ester test are you taking? And at what dose?

 

[Universal23]

Well this is my problem. I'm definitely already suppressed now from the tbol 40mg everyday for 8wks..I haven't began tapering down yet. I have test E (4 10ml vials). I don't understand what you mean by the lowering 12 hr half life to 70mg per week tho?. I have 500 var pills too but I was saving those for much later on at the end of my test cycle and would never go above 60mg.

I have 1 packet of clomid, lots of nolva, 5000 iu of hcg, and lots of aromasin on hand but if I ran pct now I would need to get more before my next cycle. I feel like once you start aas your test never really fully recovers to what it would have been before you touched it at natural levels would u agree? Kinda in a rut now..

And as of now I honestly feel pretty damn good I got suprisingly huge on this tbol and I'm still having amazing pumps..I know if I stop I'll start to feel like ****tt on pct due to low T and Idk about taking clomid while still taking classes/exams.

 

[Universal23]

Idk my logic in tapering at this point is to give my liver less stress right? This is why I asked a thread about bridging between cycles but I guess this is the same thing as TRT. I do take lots of protectants and chug water daily...I love tbol tho barely any sides and no hairloss...****

 

[Universal23]

What do you guys think about just starting the test now at the end of this tbol..but using it as a TRT at 250mg a day? Or is it best I just shut down all my progress and fun and jump on pct for 5 wks then jump on the test?..Or is that not logical either haha

 

[Mystere3]

Personally what I'd do is stop, do pct, run 10 of osta to keep your gains. You can run only novla (you don't need clomid for pct with just tbol) then wait 12 weeks or whatever then do a real cycle that's well planned out.

Right now it sounds like you're making things up as you go along and that's not a good way to run AAS.

If you wanted a real lean bulk cycle you could run 80 var 1-4 and 8-12 with test later.

 

[Universal23]

True I understand. I got sloppy and jumped on this tbol because my life was sucking...it helped ....What do you mean run 10 of osta to keep gains?


What are you guys opinions on TRT? and can you actually recover from a lengthy test cycle at low dosages?

 

[Mystere3]

Ostarine is a sarm, it will help you keep gains when run at low dose (10 mg) in pct.

 

[Universal23]

Nice I've never heard of it so I'd need to get some, doing some research. Is it similar to proviron? Would proviron also help keep gains between cycles?

 

[Mystere3]

No it's not a steroid. I wrote a write-up on it that's on this forum, do a search for ostarine (mk-2866)

 

[Universal23]

I can't find your name there's so many threads on it. Do u mind sending me the thread?

 

[Universal23]

Nvm just found it my bad was right there.

 

[fueledpassion]

Personally what I'd do is stop, do pct, run 10 of osta to keep your gains. You can run only novla (you don't need clomid for pct with just tbol) then wait 12 weeks or whatever then do a real cycle that's well planned out.

Right now it sounds like you're making things up as you go along and that's not a good way to run AAS.

If you wanted a real lean bulk cycle you could run 80 var 1-4 and 8-12 with test later.

That is probably the best thing mentioned so far.

I'd also say stop using steroids as a way out of emotional stress and problems in life. Thats a wreckless way to deal with issues.

There is a difference in using and abusing steroids. Have a plan. Have goals. Have a way to track them. Execute the plan. See the results. Get in and get out. Keep Test as ur foundation always and supplement the effort with other hormones as needed.

Be careful. Oh, and get some bloods before running another cycle again. Make sure ur liver and cholesterol profile is up for another run.

 

[Universal23]

Thanks for the replies. I honestly don't abuse steroids this tho this was my first unorganized cycle (done 3) but your right. I guess I just don't feel like coming off which was my original plan haha. So I will jump on pct at the end of the week and get blood work after pct. My bloodwork was fine pre-cycle.

You really think nolva is only needed for a turinabol cycle? I've always used clomid too

 

[Mystere3]

Yes, tbol is pretty mild and novla 20/20/10/10 should be just fine.

 

[Universal23]

perfect

 

[warbird01]

Idk my logic in tapering at this point is to give my liver less stress right? This is why I asked a thread about bridging between cycles but I guess this is the same thing as TRT. I do take lots of protectants and chug water daily...I love tbol tho barely any sides and no hairloss...****

Just run a full dose then stop. There is no advantage to tapering down.

 

[alwaysfirst]

Ostarine is a sarm, it will help you keep gains when run at low dose (10 mg) in pct.

Osta shut me down so I wouldn't recommend taking it during pct...

 

[Mystere3]

Osta shut me down so I wouldn't recommend taking it during pct...

At what dose? 20 may shut you down (although it didn't shut me down) but 10 shouldn't when you're on a serm. Mike arnold posted a nice article on it on ironmag recently.

 

[alwaysfirst]

At what dose? 20 may shut you down (although it didn't shut me down) but 10 shouldn't when you're on a serm. Mike arnold posted a nice article on it on ironmag recently.

I finished on 20mg, had ok first run but second time I didn't get anything out of it more than feeling sluggish in the end

 

[Mystere3]

Were you running rc osta or caps?

 

[alwaysfirst]

Were you running rc osta or caps?

Liquid rc Osta from a Unique place...

 

[Mystere3]

The dosing on that is unpredictable, you could be taking 20 or you could be taking 50. I prefer caps,

 

[mtinsideout]

At what dose? 20 may shut you down (although it didn't shut me down) but 10 shouldn't when you're on a serm. Mike arnold posted a nice article on it on ironmag recently.

The tests mentioned in that article are only run at 1-3mg of osta if it is the same article I read.

 

[Mystere3]

The tests mentioned in that article are only run at 1-3mg of osta if it is the same article I read.

http://www.ironmagazine.com/2014/ostarine-revisited/

He says 5-7 in pct; I've run 20 in caps with no issues and ppl regularly run 25 in pct. I think 10 is a good dose, if you want to be super safe and avoid the slightest bit of suppression, dose 10 every other day.

 

[mtinsideout]

http://www.ironmagazine.com/2014/ostarine-revisited/

He says 5-7 in pct; I've run 20 in caps with no issues and ppl regularly run 25 in pct. I think 10 is a good dose, if you want to be super safe and avoid the slightest bit of suppression, dose 10 every other day.

Wonder where he got the 5-7mg from? Yea this is a different article, the one I was referring to is from 2012 on there sight (which for some reason they sent me an email to it recently).

http://www.****************/ostarine-sarm-profile/




The study they quote is here which only uses 3mg of osta.

http://www.gtxinc.com/Pipeline/OstarineMK2866.aspx?Sid=4

 

[mtinsideout]

Ok apparently I can't post a link to that article lol...

 

[Mystere3]

Prolly their internal testing, idk.

 

[Universal23]

I want to try the osta at 10mg and see how it goes. Are there any other compounds out there used for keeping gains/bridging between cycles or during pct etc?

 

[Mystere3]

Xgels is a good one too.

 

[Universal23]

Cool thanks

 

[jbryand101b]

Bridging is for a cycle like 3 weeks of sd bridged into 4 weeks of epi.

I thought we covered this. Especially orals, anything over 8 weeks and you are just wasting your time.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/198624-cycle-length.html

Also, from personal experience, its a waste.
You asked how I got so much rep. It isn't because I'm buddy buddy with everyone. It's because I know what the fcuk I'm talking about.
If I was slobbering everyone's knob an shiit, I'd have way more rep.

 

[jbryand101b]

I honestly don't abuse steroids.

See next comment:

I guess I just don't feel like coming off.

Heroine junkies say the same thing. Just saying.

 

[Universal23]

I see. Yeah don't slobber anyones nob bud. But thanks for the input and link. I mean tbh cycling means going on and off...in a controlled responsible manner at best. So if it makes you feel any better I guess you can re-assure yourself I'm an addict, thats fine. I was simply defending myself to someones previous comment. I would be an addict if I hadn't come to this forum for insight on my "not feeling like coming off" comment and continued without thought, I wanted other peoples input. And like I stated my decision was to stop and start pct which I'm doing tomorrow.

My I understand your logic on your 8 wk limit theory it makes sense and sounds responsible. But my only argument is long term users like IFBB pros, they use high doses of test all year round along with longterm orals and other compounds while still seeing effective results...Now thats not to say its healthy at all. But everyone's different when it comes to how certain drugs work in their bodies.

 

[Universal23]

Also a cliche saying, don't we all choose "our own poison"? Deciding to live the bodybuilding lifestyle and learning the ins and outs of proper drug use is simply a lifestyle choice. Compared to others who dedicate their lives to regular alcohol consumption, heroin, coke, weed, LSD, caffine etc...Those in my mind are addicts. But then if you start calling one person an addict you could easily start calling everyone and addict...so jbryand, if you have so much experience and knowledge on aas use and cycles can I not also consider you an addict responsible or not?

 

[jbryand101b]

You either didn't read the first post with the comments of one of the most knowledgeable minds on the subject of aas, or, didn't understand it.

It isn't a theory, as you would see from reading it.
You would also have your answer about the pro bb'ers

It's just human physiology.

 

[jbryand101b]

Also a cliche saying, don't we all choose "our own poison"? Deciding to live the bodybuilding lifestyle and learning the ins and outs of proper drug use is simply a lifestyle choice. Compared to others who dedicate their lives to regular alcohol consumption, heroin, coke, weed, LSD, caffine etc...Those in my mind are addicts. But then if you start calling one person an addict you could easily start calling everyone and addict...so jbryand, if you have so much experience and knowledge on aas use and cycles can I not also consider you an addict responsible or not?

I'm an addict. I don't ever want to stop.
Soon as I'm done having kids, I'm getting on trt

The first part of recovery is admitting you have a problem.
The ol cliche, the crazy person doesn't think they're crazy.

 

[Matthersby]

I'm concerned here, bro.

Yeah I've decided to just taper the tbol down to 10mg a day and while starting the test then run the var at the end of the 8th wk of test.

8 weeks Tbol, 8 weeks Test, then at least 4+ weeks on var and test and the test would just be starting to kick in at the 20 week mark. You'd be coming close to 1/2 a year with exogenous hormones suppressing your body's HPTA and risk recovering to a low rate of Testosterone production......... For life, possibly....

I'm definitely already suppressed now from the tbol 40mg everyday for 8wks...

Yes. Anyone would be.

if I ran pct now I would need to get more before my next cycle.

Why?

I feel like once you start aas your test never really fully recovers to what it would have been before you touched it at natural levels would u agree?

Yes. I would agree 100% Most likely less long-term recovery from longer cycles, also.

..I know if I stop I'll start to feel like ****tt on pct due to low T and Idk about taking clomid while still taking classes/exams.

As long as your doses are not ridiculous, the worst you'll have is very mild depression, and emotionally a little sensitive. PCT isn't that bad. Get some LGI rehab, some DAA ad some Reduce XT. You'll be fine.

What do you guys think about just starting the test now at the end of this tbol..but using it as a TRT at 250mg a day? Or is it best I just shut down all my progress and fun and jump on pct for 5 wks then jump on the test?..Or is that not logical either haha

You aren't on TRT, you SHOULD NOT self-prescribe it.

Or is it best I just shut down all my progress and fun and jump on pct for 5 wks then jump on the test?..Or is that not logical either haha

It would have been the first logical thing but then you stated that you would immediately begin Testosterone upon ending a PCT.

True I understand. I got sloppy and jumped on this tbol because my life was sucking...it helped ....What do you mean run 10 of osta to keep gains?

As Fueled Passion stated, a very poor time to start a cycle is when your life is sucking. I had a breakup last week that hit me hard, I took a good look at my training, appetite, intensity and consistency and decided to continue my cycle. The risks involved in cycling require you to be 100% mentally, physically, emotionally prepared so you can make good decisions and get the most benefit while being as safe as possible.

What are you guys opinions on TRT? and can you actually recover from a lengthy test cycle at low dosages?

"replacement therapy" is for those who do not produce enough test naturally and should be done under a physician's care. There is 100 times the health risks and side effects than that of someone who actually needs TRT. For ME personally,(I don't have the clinical studies in front of me, and I haven't read any on this) the longer a cycle, the more difficult it is to recover fully and the longer it takes to recover.

Take you gains, quit while you're ahead, and wait the appropriate times between cycles(time on+pct=MINIMUM time off)

 

[fueledpassion]

In between cycles is also a good time to take natty supps to keep gains too. If u really just have to take hormones, this is an opportune time for peptides as they actually help u bounce back. Some supps/peps that come to mind:

Creatine
BCAA's
L-Carnitine (need to load for 100 days though if using oral version)
Biotin (good insulin controller that levels out ur energy)
MCT's
Fat burners and preWO's...
GHRP-2/6
Ipamorelin
MOD Grf 1-29

This is the perfect time to get the diet strict and work on positive habits like getting enough sleep and adding cardio in ur routine. Next thing u know, its been 3-6 months and ur ready for another cycle. I usually limit myself to two cycles a year personally.

 

[Universal23]

Creatine
BCAA's
L-Carnitine (need to load for 100 days though if using oral version)
Biotin (good insulin controller that levels out ur energy)
MCT's
Fat burners and preWO's...
GHRP-2/6
Ipamorelin
MOD Grf 1-29


^^ I agree thanks. I'm going to be taking bullnox androrush, PCT assist, DAA and activate xtreme along with pct. I don't know what GHRP-2/6, Ipamorelin, or MOD Grf 1-29 are. I have a very strict diet already I've been doing this for a long time! But I do need to add more cardio I'm only doing stair stepper 10 mins everyday..
I think two cycles is a good number.


Just curious what everyone on here thinks about TRT. I'm not planning to go on TRT until later on in my life but what is the big deal about going on controlled TRT, I feel like people aren't for it? Aren't we all going to be on TRT as some point..our test starts to dip around 25-30 naturally. The majority of men are on the low ends anyway and they don't even know it. Does anyone take TRT

 

[fueledpassion]

I do, but in 8-10 weeks I'll be tryin a restart. If it fails, I'll go back to TRT.

Its alright but is not as great for younger guys like myself as much as the older gents.

You need to keep levels in phyaiological range for the most part. 250mg/wk isnt physio range, thats supra.

I feel better at 500 T levels natty than 800-1000 on TRT. Thats why I am gettin off. Granted, my T was at 220-320 went I on TRT.

 

[Universal23]

And that was your total T count before you went on? I agree tho going having higher/mid natty test would feel better. Good luck with recovery. To attempt this recovery are you going to run HCG for a few weeks? then jump on clomid and nolva for a few weeks then natty test boosters etc then bloodwork?

 

[fueledpassion]

And that was your total T count before you went on? I agree tho going having higher/mid natty test would feel better. Good luck with recovery. To attempt this recovery are you going to run HCG for a few weeks? then jump on clomid and nolva for a few weeks then natty test boosters etc then bloodwork?

No, just Clomid for 8 weeks or so. Starting at 50mg/day then to 25 then to 25 EOD. I'll supplement with Vitamin D, E and lots of sex with the wife. L-Carnitine injections to help with fat burning and bloodflow and perhaps iodine to support T3.

Other considerations will be stuff like Cialis if needed.

T3 is really critical in restarts too. Without proper T3 production, one can never hope to have high T levels. I never had problems with PCT until I ran legit Trenbolone for 12 weeks. That killed my panel. I suspect my T3 was lagging behind which is why I never fully recovered after that cycle nearly two years ago.

But I do have hcg if needed, but I doubt I'd use it if I have Clomid available.

 

[Yodambomb]

No, just Clomid for 8 weeks or so. Starting at 50mg/day then to 25 then to 25 EOD. I'll supplement with Vitamin D, E and lots of sex with the wife. L-Carnitine injections to help with fat burning and bloodflow and perhaps iodine to support T3. Other considerations will be stuff like Cialis if needed. T3 is really critical in restarts too. Without proper T3 production, one can never hope to have high T levels. I never had problems with PCT until I ran legit Trenbolone for 12 weeks. That killed my panel. I suspect my T3 was lagging behind which is why I never fully recovered after that cycle nearly two years ago. But I do have hcg if needed, but I doubt I'd use it if I have Clomid available.

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