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I did 2 and a half weeks of epistane at the beginning of January and didn't use a SERM. Should I be able to pass a drug test for anabolics now? Or how much longer
I don't know if anyone have exact answer to that question, but look at this detection time chart: http://www.steroid.com/steroid_detection_times.phpIt's for sports....
He wants that unfair edge yo. Tis the age of instant gratification and least work for highest rewardI don't know if anyone have exact answer to that question, but look at this detection time chart: http://www.steroid.com/steroid_detection_times.php
According to that chart, most orals have detection times between 3 weeks and 2 months. It's safe to assume that detection time of Epi is pretty similar to those compounds too.
Better compete in organizations that are not tested by the way!
Don't lie, you where on dat der celltech. most powerful anabolic availableI played in college a majority were on gas. I never used and now when I look back I totally regret it. I was able to compete with the juicers so I can only imagine what I could have done on gear.
It's not unfair. He is doing everything in his power to be successful. Steroids add a lot more work and stress to my life actually lol but a higher reward yes.He wants that unfair edge yo. Tis the age of instant gratification and least work for highest reward
So according to you, it's fair to use steroids in a competitive environment where they do aas tests. If everyone does it, it's ok... right?It's not unfair. He is doing everything in his power to be successful. Steroids add a lot more work and stress to my life actually lol but a higher reward yes.
They defiantly do add a bunch of stressIt's not unfair. He is doing everything in his power to be successful. Steroids add a lot more work and stress to my life actually lol but a higher reward yes.
It's for college sports, and your analogy is bad. A local powerlifting meet wouldn't bring much to your future so there would be no point.So according to you, it's fair to use steroids in a competitive environment where they do aas tests. If everyone does it, it's ok... right?
Would u feel it's still fair if he was competing in a local, tested powerlifting meet where a future isnt really impacted too much. But he's still cheating compared to the other natural competition?
how bout u let him shine some light on the situation before assuming he's being scouted for the nfl.
I'm not anti steroid btw, just curious now
I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. A huge amount of athletes are on gear, especially at a high level. So it may or may not be fair, but who cares? Cheating? cheating is covering yourself in lube so the other team cant tackle you. Steroids are a battle in themselves man.So according to you, it's fair to use steroids in a competitive environment where they do aas tests. If everyone does it, it's ok... right?
Would u feel it's still fair if he was competing in a local, tested powerlifting meet where a future isnt really impacted too much. But he's still cheating compared to the other natural competition?
how bout u let him shine some light on the situation before assuming he's being scouted for the nfl.
I'm not anti steroid btw, just curious now
Cheating as defined by the Merriam-Webster dictionary: "to break a rule or law usually to gain an advantage at something."I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. A huge amount of athletes are on gear, especially at a high level. So it may or may not be fair, but who cares? Cheating? cheating is covering yourself in lube so the other team cant tackle you. Steroids are a battle in themselves man.
Its funny how the "cheaters" are the ones who win...Cheating, huh, its a bunch of baloney.
Im a cheater. Haters gonna hate
You don't have to choose one or the other. Add the substance to hardwork and determination. There is no magic pill. The steroids aren't the only thing that makes you stronger and bigger and faster. You have to have a good diet, and training regimen. And you have to work your ass off. Otherwise they don't make much of a difference. I know a dude who tried to get a pill to do it all and he just got fat.Substituting a substance for work ethic and determination. Good luck in your future.
Life isn't all about winning, it's about how you win.
Life isn't fair. You learn that the second you get slammed by a guy who fights in your weight class but is strong as a guy 5 classes above you. No excuse you make about how he's cheating can change the fact that he is a winner, and you a loser. So place the blame on their lack of morals and that their mommy didn't teach them cheating is wrong. But in reality, its you who is making excuses for why they are where they want to be.So cheating is only immoral because only some do. If everyone juiced, would it level the playing field and therefore even the odds again?
Well said.Life isn't fair. You learn that the second you get slammed by a guy who fights in your weight class but is strong as a guy 5 classes above you. No excuse you make about how he's cheating can change the fact that he is a winner, and you a loser. So place the blame on their lack of morals and that their mommy didn't teach them cheating is wrong. But in reality, its you who is making excuses for why they are where they want to be.
Please refer back to my last post.It's funny how they couldn't win if they didn't cheat.
Yea you'll be fine. Not open some popcorn and enjoy the **** storm we createdso should i be good if i get tested? lol
But if you cheated, wtf is the point in the first place. You must be part of this instant gratification wave of kids growing up in AmericaLife isn't fair. You learn that the second you get slammed by a guy who fights in your weight class but is strong as a guy 5 classes above you. No excuse you make about how he's cheating can change the fact that he is a winner, and you a loser. So place the blame on their lack of morals and that their mommy didn't teach them cheating is wrong. But in reality, its you who is making excuses for why they are where they want to be.
The advantage you speak of comes from being bigger faster and stronger my friend lmao. It doesn't matter of you do gear if your a twig, then you don't have an advantage lol I'm not talking about fat 15 yo kids that want to get big and don't eat right and don't know how to train. I'm speaking of real athletes. You are incorrect about gaining muscle faster than a steroid user. You could be experiencing beginner gains. Anyone who trains hard correctly, does gear, and has a solid diet will gain much faster than a natty who trains hard.Steroids don't mean you are bigger faster and stronger. They mean you have an advantage. I can gain more naturally than most guys/athletes I know who do gear because they are idiots and won't work hard. I don't support cheating in any sport. Sure everyone else is doing it but that's not how I live my life. You can do great things without breaking rules. I'm not gona insult anyone or tell them what to do but if you are going to use then compete in a sport where it's banned it's cheating. At least own up about it and be honest. I'll respect that more.
That's how I feel.Hmmmm......
No...it's not really like that.So you guys are pretty much saying the same thing as someone that says "It's only illegal if you get caught"?.
It's more like this...get over it. Because there will always be steroid users. You argument to two people on a forum makes no impact. Compete natty and rub that in everyone's face like all you people do. "Yaaa I'm a NATURAL bodybuilder, no big deal". But then the guy on gear comes in and it no longer matters what you say. Because all people have to do is look and they can choose who is more successful. So again, get over it.So you guys are pretty much saying the same thing as someone that says "It's only illegal if you get caught"?.
Ya, some people are just on a higher leveli have naturally high testosterone and gh levels. God made me a cheater.
Taking a steroid doesnt mean work ethic goes away. It just means the potential of the body just got increased. We can take this argument all the way down to regular old supplements such as creatine, beta alanine and preworkouts. Without them, ur body wont get quite as big or strong. Ur dedication wont be quite as good. So where does ur logic draw the line and why?Substituting a substance for work ethic and determination. Good luck in your future.
Life isn't all about winning, it's about how you win.
No, how the fcuk is that the same? Is your reading comprehension all messed up?So you guys are pretty much saying the same thing as someone that says "It's only illegal if you get caught"?.
Ur genetics might also play a role in ur ability to gain size. And that is something u didnt earn. But, in the realm of sports, this is what is praised - the unique genetics of athletes. So really, the secret to the recipe of becoming the best has nothing to do with ethic and steroids. U can have both ethics and steroid use and never get there anyways without the right genetics. However, genetics WITH ethics will get u anywhere. Steroids may or may not help depending on the sport.Steroids don't mean you are bigger faster and stronger. They mean you have an advantage. I can gain more naturally than most guys/athletes I know who do gear because they are idiots and won't work hard. I don't support cheating in any sport. Sure everyone else is doing it but that's not how I live my life. You can do great things without breaking rules. I'm not gona insult anyone or tell them what to do but if you are going to use then compete in a sport where it's banned it's cheating. At least own up about it and be honest. I'll respect that more. If that's what you think you have to do, do it. Your life.
They have no logic my friend. They just want to make excuses and pretend things aren't the way they are.Taking a steroid doesnt mean work ethic goes away. It just means the potential of the body just got increased. We can take this argument all the way down to regular old supplements such as creatine, beta alanine and preworkouts. Without them, ur body wont get quite as big or strong. Ur dedication wont be quite as good. So where does ur logic draw the line and why?
Sure, u CAN get lax on steroids but ur results will reflect that too. Try and tell pro bb'ers that they dont have work ethic and determination, lol.
I find it ironic how people cherry pick stuff just to make sure they can feel good about their position on the subject. Everything should be allowed. More elite players take PED's than u realize anyways. So really, its more unfair now than it would benif they just allowed the use of steroids in sports. We know it can help level the playing field and we also know that steroids wont make average athletes as good as above average athletes who also use them. Bodybuilding and powerlifting have already proven this. Not everyone that takes roids are turning into Cutlers, Colemans and Heaths, lol. No, less than 1% of users even have a shot at the pros.
Ok, so let me make sure I understand this, are you saying that someone using a substance that is against the rules in the organization they are a part of ISN'T cheating?They have no logic my friend. They just want to make excuses and pretend things aren't the way they are.
The advantage you speak of comes from being bigger faster and stronger my friend lmao. It doesn't matter of you do gear if your a twig, then you don't have an advantage lol I'm not talking about fat 15 yo kids that want to get big and don't eat right and don't know how to train. I'm speaking of real athletes. You are incorrect about gaining muscle faster than a steroid user. You could be experiencing beginner gains. Anyone who trains hard correctly, does gear, and has a solid diet will gain much faster than a natty who trains hard.
Taking a steroid doesnt mean work ethic goes away. It just means the potential of the body just got increased. We can take this argument all the way down to regular old supplements such as creatine, beta alanine and preworkouts. Without them, ur body wont get quite as big or strong. Ur dedication wont be quite as good. So where does ur logic draw the line and why?
Sure, u CAN get lax on steroids but ur results will reflect that too. Try and tell pro bb'ers that they dont have work ethic and determination, lol.
I find it ironic how people cherry pick stuff just to make sure they can feel good about their position on the subject. Everything should be allowed. More elite players take PED's than u realize anyways. So really, its more unfair now than it would benif they just allowed the use of steroids in sports. We know it can help level the playing field and we also know that steroids wont make average athletes as good as above average athletes who also use them. Bodybuilding and powerlifting have already proven this. Not everyone that takes roids are turning into Cutlers, Colemans and Heaths, lol. No, less than 1% of users even have a shot at the pros.
You guys are f0cking ignorant and can't read so I am going to try and spell this out one more time for you nicely. If you want to continue to change my words and misinterpret what I'm saying feel free but you are making an argument with me over something I didn't say or mean.Ur genetics might also play a role in ur ability to gain size. And that is something u didnt earn. But, in the realm of sports, this is what is praised - the unique genetics of athletes. So really, the secret to the recipe of becoming the best has nothing to do with ethic and steroids. U can have both ethics and steroid use and never get there anyways without the right genetics. However, genetics WITH ethics will get u anywhere. Steroids may or may not help depending on the sport.
I'm just playin advocate here and pokin holes in the "steroids are cheating but everything else is ok" perspective. Holey perspectives arent good is all I'm saying. Sports policy needs to be consistent.
And btw, the being honest part - 100% agree with. It is cheating to do it because the rules outline it as such but I dont think there should be a moral connection that society attaches to it because that argument is very thin and weak.
He can't wrap his mind around the fact that we're aware it is cheating and we're also aware that most people are using.Ok, so let me make sure I understand this, are you saying that someone using a substance that is against the rules in the organization they are a part of ISN'T cheating? Because if that's the case, it very literally is cheating. I don't particularly see anything wrong with the use of AAS, and I'm aware of the fact that most athletes that are competing at a high level are using. But, it is most definitely cheating. (unless you compete in an untested sport)
I Never said it isn't cheating. however I very clearly said, get over it.He can't wrap his mind around the fact that we're aware it is cheating and we're also aware that most people are using.
His logic is steroids aren't cheating, but lubing yourself up is. Oh lawd, not the precious lube, now that's crossing the line! Hell, he thinks if you call a person a cheater that's using steroids in a sport where it's prohibited you're just making up excuses. .
All of this nonsense began over the the meaning of cheating. How can someone even argue that taking steroids in college sports isn't cheating? I want to hear some logic. Just incase I encounter his infamous "higher level," or might have to stand next to him in a room where people will denounce me as less successful.
Cliffs: if you take steroids in a sport or division where it's prohibited you're a cheater. I am no where close to being anti-gear. If I wasn't making great natty gains from hard work, structured programming and appropriate nutrition I would have started my cycle already.
Yeah that last paragraph captures my take as well.Ok, so let me make sure I understand this, are you saying that someone using a substance that is against the rules in the organization they are a part of ISN'T cheating?
Because if that's the case, it very literally is cheating.
I don't particularly see anything wrong with the use of AAS, and I'm aware of the fact that most athletes that are competing at a high level are using. But, it is most definitely cheating. (unless you compete in an untested sport)
And thats the other point I might have tried to elude. If they are doin it then I have a choice to get left behind in the sport or also risk getting caight and banned/disqualified.But is it cheating if everyone is doing it? I think you would be cheating yourself if you weren't. Like pro bodybuilding or strongman- if you aren't using aas you will lose most certainly.
It's still cheating if it's against the rules, just because everyone is cheating doesn't mean it's not cheating.But is it cheating if everyone is doing it? I think you would be cheating yourself if you weren't. Like pro bodybuilding or strongman- if you aren't using aas you will lose most certainly.