What can I cycle with and not need a SERM for pct.

[Firstcycle]

I want to run a cycle of some sort but want it to be mild for my first ph. Some thing I can use a otc pCT with

 

[EatMoar]

I want to run a cycle of some sort but want it to be mild for my first ph. Some thing I can use a otc pCT with

Non methyl hormones. Try out finaflex products or androfactory. Both are good candidates.

 

[abudabu]

Just remember they are still PHs. If you run them too hight they can shut you down.
I would recommend you 1alpha by finaflex. Just finished my cycle with this one. Good results , easy OTC pct after. I just did 3 caps per day.
There are other options too. It is up to you to research and choose the right product for you.
You can always use the companies sections on this forum. The reps will be glad to help you.

 

[Firstcycle]

Thank you for the help.

 

[Mystere3]

Hexadrone maybe

 

[EatMoar]

Why don't you want to get a serm? Legal reasons?

 

[mw1]

Halo at 50mgs or Epi at 30mgs..along with the non-methyls and 1-DHEA(which are too expensive IMO)

 

[Firstcycle]

Yes strictly legal reasons. I am to worried about ordering anything like that.

 

[Firstcycle]

Halo at 50mgs or Epi at 30mgs..along with the non-methyls and 1-DHEA(which are too expensive IMO)

Then I could run halo-25 or am I wrong. I know it happens a lot and gets old but I am just wanting help getting a cycle set up to lose this body fat and still aim me muscle I am eating 2200 cals. 180g protein and around 160 on carbs not looking to gain weight just want something to help lose the bodyfat and harden or build muscle

 

[SuperPro]

Stano at 600 would probably be fine as well. Though I think hdrol at 50 is the best option.

 

[Firstcycle]

How similar is hdrol and halo-25? Isn't hdrol banned?

 

[Mystere3]

Honestly I'd use a combo of osta rx and x-factor advanced for 8 weeks. Don't need a serm for PCT (your OTC pct is more than enough) and you'd prolly be able to add 5-8 lb of lean mass in 2 mo with nice recomp with no cycle support necessary.

If you don't want to run a serm honestly you shouldn't be running pro hormones/AAS.

 

[Firstcycle]

I don't mind the serm. Just don't want to be caught illegal. Serm is not the prob it's the legal part

 

[Mystere3]

I don't mind the serm. Just don't want to be caught illegal. Serm is not the prob it's the legal part

You could go with a research chem serm or order it from an online pharmacy.

 

[jbryand101b]

I want to run a cycle of some sort but want it to be mild for my first ph. Some thing I can use a otc pCT with

Xgels

 

[jbryand101b]

Honestly I'd use a combo of osta rx and x-factor advanced .

X factor advanced, a mix of inflammatory and anti inflammatory products.

 

[jbryand101b]

I don't mind the serm. Just don't want to be caught illegal. Serm is not the prob it's the legal part

It isn't illegal.

 

[Firstcycle]

How do you but them legal if you have to buy trial size and stuff or where tk get then

 

[Mystere3]

Try this link: http://bit.ly/N3h31G

How do you but them legal if you have to buy trial size and stuff or where tk get then

 

[DRip]

x-factor is too risky imo, altering your 6,3 ratio can lead to a litany of srs health problems. Straight arachadonic acid consumption at the dose X-factor has is just flat out a bad idea. I ran it in high school and it does work for an awesome 24/7 pump but i was an idiot back then, I honestly think h-drol or epi is a muuuuuch safer route. Just because it doesnt metabolize into an AAS doesnt mean it is a safe supplement, google syntrax for an example.

 

[Firstcycle]

I think I am going to run finaflex 1 andro and there pct. See what I can get from that What is 6.3 ratio

 

[KABONG]

How about iron legion xi- kt. It is a transdermal as well. I ran this with great recomp results. I am trying to stay away from serms as well. Mostly because from what I read it seems that there are more sides from the serms than the prohormones themselves.

 

[thehogsters]

How about iron legion xi- kt. It is a transdermal as well. I ran this with great recomp results. I am trying to stay away from serms as well. Mostly because from what I read it seems that there are more sides from the serms than the prohormones themselves.

That is a bunch of bullcrap. I have had plenty of Nast sides from ph. Never noticed anything while on clomid.

 

[KABONG]

Bullcrap? Didn't say there were no sides. There are a lot of sides. I took superdrol several years ago and experienced several as well. I guess what I meant is that I have read a lot about some serms causing cancer particularly liver. But who knows. The methyl prohormones may do the same as well. I steer clear of them as well. When I was younger I didn't worry about it. Now that I am in my 40's I do. That's all. Actually I hope I am wrong about this. Maybe they are not as bad as I think.

 

[blacklac]

x-factor is too risky imo, altering your 6,3 ratio can lead to a litany of srs health problems. Straight arachadonic acid consumption at the dose X-factor has is just flat out a bad idea. I ran it in high school and it does work for an awesome 24/7 pump but i was an idiot back then, I honestly think h-drol or epi is a muuuuuch safer route. Just because it doesnt metabolize into an AAS doesnt mean it is a safe supplement, google syntrax for an example.

I could be wrong, but I think X-Factor's 50 day supply was based off a safety study. The issue has been brought up many times, but it is still growing more and more.

not that I think ArA is comparable to mild PH's...

 

[pyrobatt]

I want to run a cycle of some sort but want it to be mild for my first ph. Some thing I can use a otc pCT with

Short cuts are bad. Your taking your health into your hands. My suggestion is don't even run a ph.

 

[pyrobatt]

there isn't any real evidence that tamoxifen causes cancer in humans.
http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/content/22/6/839.long

And if you have cancer it will decrease growth. Reduced igf1 and all

 

[Mystere3]

There is evidence that tamoxifen increases cancer, but in women, not men.

 

[AshramWar]

I think I am going to run finaflex 1 andro and there pct. See what I can get from that What is 6.3 ratio

nice. man. I was in teh same boat as you, and decided to go for a mild cycle like finaflex 1-andro. I'm currently in my second week and the scale says i'm up by 5-6lbs. i eat around 2000-2500 calories, and train about 6 days a week though. So far i'm happy with it, and hoping the gains keep increasing.